Demand for nurses rises in Indiana

Demand for nurses rises in Indiana

There are 40 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 17, 2008, titled Demand for nurses rises in Indiana. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Nursing jobs are hot across Indiana, according a report from Indiana University's Kelley School of Business.

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Realist

Auburn Hills, MI

#1 Jan 17, 2008
with the advent of the drug resistant infections, bird flu, sars etc.americans have become too priviledged at all levels of society to subjuct themselves to such risk..i dont expect this demand to be filled in the coming decade..could more nurses via the work visa be the answer to this?
Indpls Resident

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Jan 17, 2008
Do you need a BA or BS to be an RN? I'm just curious.
yup

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Jan 17, 2008
Indpls Resident wrote:
Do you need a BA or BS to be an RN? I'm just curious.
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yup
AGG

Plymouth, MN

#3 Jan 17, 2008
Indpls Resident wrote:
Do you need a BA or BS to be an RN? I'm just curious.
You can get a 2 year associate degree or a 4 year BS degree to be an RN.
pollworker

Louisville, KY

#4 Jan 17, 2008
It is extremely difficult to transfer degrees to get your BSN. For instance, if you were a Biology major in college and thus skipped Biology 100 - IU still required me to take it! Um... hello? I was a Biology major!

What about LPNs?

What about opening up more spots in the nursing programs?

What about making the rules for the nursing programs make more sense?
Zippy

United States

#6 Jan 17, 2008
Great! Maybe Riverview in Noblesville can find a few who are competent & care about people getting better instead of kibitzing around the desk with their family members who come to visit during their work shift, while patients wait after repeatedly buzzing for help.

I filed a complaint, but doubt it ever made it to the hospital brass. If you can avoid it, do not go to Riverview... I know I'll not return there.
very difficult

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Jan 17, 2008
Even though there is and will continue to be a shortage of nurses in Indiana, it is extrememly difficult trying to get into a nursing school. They are all filled. They need more schools that offer it!
Dems are bad

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Jan 17, 2008
You can have your RN only, St Elizabeth in Lafayette still has a school. But the trend is for more education. Trust me, the salary may sound like alot, but Nurses work their butts off. The amount of crap they have to take (figuratively and literally) is a lot. I have a relative who works in an ER. In addition to taking care of patients, they have to be a waiter for the people who come in instead of going to an urgent care becuase they know they can get a free meal and footy's. And that includes relatives that sit in the room, not just the patients
Course' if we elect Hillary this will only get worse with government healthcare
Lucy

Elwood, IN

#9 Jan 17, 2008
very difficult wrote:
Even though there is and will continue to be a shortage of nurses in Indiana, it is extrememly difficult trying to get into a nursing school. They are all filled. They need more schools that offer it!
This is so true. My daughter was a 3.3 student at IU in her science classes and she wasn't even close to qualifying for IU's nursing school (3.8 or over). She could have transferred, but by that time she had many of her classes in. She just changed her major.

I work in a physician office, many nurses are NOT "brain surgeons". Not sure why they aren't adding more spots for the remaining good students to meet the need. Seems like a waste.
Wanna be a nurse

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Jan 17, 2008
I have been taking pre req's towards nursing, and I have to agree, only taking 50 applicants a year isn't going to help this demand. You pretty much have to have straight A's and an awesome TEAS test score to even get close to getting in to a program. Not saying some one shouldn't be a straight A student, but even if you are you could be bumped from the list if you score less on the TEAS test.

Not to mention some programs in Indy allow the students who went to that certain university for ALL their courses, first pick in the nursing program, regardless of grades. Because the univeristy got more money from that student.

Wanna complain about needing more nurses? Have more programs and allow more then 50 to go through at a time. Have part-time programs for those working adults/parents that can't go 8 to 4 for clinicals and give up their pay to go to school.

And who ever said you have to have a BA or BS for nursing, try again, there are ASN programs available.
Had Enough Yet

United States

#11 Jan 17, 2008
There will continue to be a shortage in the field, because the salary isn't high enough. Doctors and hospital administrators just plain aren't willing to share the profits with any other employees. And unfortunately for the docs & admins, those positions cannot be outsourced, so that corporate trend doesn't work. Must ... think of ... new way to ... cash out ... at employees expense...
BRIAN

Fair Oaks, IN

#12 Jan 17, 2008
Too bad the cost of school puts this out of reach for a lot of people especially for teachers when you take into account the salary range vs years of education. I also understand while nursing is a hot area and even hotter area is finding enough instructors to teach those nurses.
BRIAN

Fair Oaks, IN

#13 Jan 17, 2008
I suppose it all boils down to legality but when I was a corpsman in the Navy I was essentially a physicians assistant in todays terms and doing procedures not allowed in the civilian community. My point...is was some class room but mostly OJT. Seems like RN's take alot of school that's not necessary.
RN--and proud to be one

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Jan 17, 2008
Yes, the nursing schools in Indy are only allowing around 50 or so students in per semester. The problem? There are not enough nursing instructors to educate the nursing students! Most nursing schools prefer to only hire PhD prepared nurses to instruct nursing classes. Ivy Tech being the only exception around Indy that I know of. Ivy Tech will hire master's prepared nurses to teach,or even BSNs whoare working towards their master's degree. I will soon have my master's degree in nursing, however that is not "good enough" for many nursing schools to instruct nursing. How many PhD nurses do we have in Indiana? Nat that many...Maybe if the nursing schools allowed more MSN nurses (still a graduate degree and intelligent people)to instruct, then we could work to assist more individuals achieve nursing degrees. Just my thoughts....
Not Worth The Trouble

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Jan 17, 2008
Nurses are mostly underpaid when you consider the knowledge and experience required, coupled with the working conditions at many places. Many of you have lumped all nurses into the simple nursing categories but don't realize the efforts on critical care floors and high volume inpatient surgical facilities.

The administrators and doctors make all the money and are always willing to cut nurses out early to save a few bucks at the expense of patient well-being. In fact, most nurses are hourly employees not salaried. They work salaried schedules make and salaried sacrficies such as 30 minute lunches and no breaks during a 10-12 hour shift.

The PhD to teach issue is not just for nursing, but for many majors at most post-secondary schools. By the time you spend the time and money gettng your PhD, your knowledge isn't as practical in a lot of rapidly changing fields. I'd rather have been taught by people with Master's degrees and years of experience instead of someone who went straight through from undergrad to PhD.
lafguy60

Kirklin, IN

#16 Jan 17, 2008
Actually the requirements for instructors are set not only by the institution but the NLN as well. Every school of nursing has to be reaccredited every 4 to 6 years or else the grads will not be allowed to sit for the licensing exam. The NLN decided a number of years ago that the BSN should be the standard for RN's and only relented on ASN programs when it was clear that the 4 year program could not fill the demand. The answer is to increase the ASN programs, but the NLN is against that. A real catch22.
IU Dad

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Jan 17, 2008
It takes more than a high GPA to get into nursing school. You must be a well rounded student. Being a CNN and working in the field helps.Being able to speak a 2nd language goes a long way. They take 50 into IU school of nursing and 150 into IUPUI.
RN and proud to be one is right! Not near enough teachers to teach to meet the demand.

“God Bless America”

Since: Apr 07

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#18 Jan 17, 2008
Indpls Resident wrote:
Do you need a BA or BS to be an RN? I'm just curious.
In the past a two year program would qualify a person to be a RN or Diploma nurse. I do not know if that has changed.
Jan

Terre Haute, IN

#20 Jan 17, 2008
I have been an LPN Psych nurse for 3 years; and as of yet; I cannot get a Med Surg job; so I am wondering "where IS the nursing shortage????" No one appears to want to give me the time or experience.
IU Dad

Indianapolis, IN

#21 Jan 17, 2008
IU Dad wrote:
It takes more than a high GPA to get into nursing school. You must be a well rounded student. Being a CNN and working in the field helps.Being able to speak a 2nd language goes a long way. They take 50 into IU school of nursing and 150 into IUPUI.
RN and proud to be one is right! Not near enough teachers to teach to meet the demand.
I said CNN I met CNA

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