Montes Seeks Board of Ed Seat

Montes Seeks Board of Ed Seat

There are 111 comments on the Patch.com story from Apr 4, 2012, titled Montes Seeks Board of Ed Seat. In it, Patch.com reports that:

West Islip resident Glenn Montes has submitted nomination petitions to run against current Board of Education President Steve Gellar.

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No Good Deed

Brentwood, NY

#83 Apr 11, 2012
Who created the bad karma wrote:
Let's keep this on point here. Any pro Geller people want to explain why our neighbors can pull this off but the leadership of WI BOE can not ?
Geller has failed.
It seems the Triborough Amendmentband other legislative impediments were not an obstacle.
The Deer Park School District has announced a contract agreement with the Deer Park TeachersÂ’ Association that will save the district millions and continue to support a high level of instruction.
Through collaborative efforts between the Board of Education, Superintendent of Schools and TeachersÂ’ Association, the modifications will reduce costs by $1.2 million through the elimination of a deferred 3% raise that was set to go into effect for the 2012-13 school year. In addition, teachers have taken advantage of a retirement incentive, which will save district taxpayers an additional $1.5 million. As a result of these substantial savings, the district will not have to excess teachers or eliminate programs in order to meet budgetary
I would suggest you bring yourself out from behind your computer and come to "meet the candidate night" and ask Mr. Gellar in person. I'm sure you won't though because you would rather get your information second or third hand and then spew it as the truth. With that said, how come it was OK for Deer Park to offer an incentive retirement to close their budget gaps and when we did it here in West Islip, you and your cronies did nothing but disparage that move? Your double standards and bias are showing. You seem to know a whole lot, but I don't see you stepping up and running for a seat.
Who created the bad karma

New York, NY

#84 Apr 11, 2012
No Good Deed wrote:
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I would suggest you bring yourself out from behind your computer and come to "meet the candidate night" and ask Mr. Gellar in person. I'm sure you won't though because you would rather get your information second or third hand and then spew it as the truth. With that said, how come it was OK for Deer Park to offer an incentive retirement to close their budget gaps and when we did it here in West Islip, you and your cronies did nothing but disparage that move? Your double standards and bias are showing. You seem to know a whole lot, but I don't see you stepping up and running for a seat.
You didn't answer the question Deed's. How come our current board leadership could not pull together a deal like Deer Park ?
Fact check

West Islip, NY

#85 Apr 11, 2012
The teachers association agreed to a salary freeze last year that saved the district 1.2 million dollars savings. Along with that deal, the teachers increased the health care contribution from 15% to 17%, along with that deal, the district and union agreed on a retirement incentive that saved the district 750k this year. It's all relative, and omparing district deals are difficult at best, because you do not know what the salary structure is of deer park as compared to west Islip. Considering west Islip teachers are amongst some of the lowest paid in Suffolk county, it's a safe bet that deer park salary bases are higher. Again, you can't always balance your budget on the backs of your teachers and staff. I think a balance needs o be struck. The fact is that the west Islip budget looks to be coming in at the required 2% tax cap, no programs have been negativly effected, and the same level of service has been offered. So what is your point exactly?

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#87 Apr 11, 2012
No Good Deed wrote:
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I would suggest you bring yourself out from behind your computer and come to "meet the candidate night" and ask Mr. Gellar in person. I'm sure you won't though because you would rather get your information second or third hand and then spew it as the truth. With that said, how come it was OK for Deer Park to offer an incentive retirement to close their budget gaps and when we did it here in West Islip, you and your cronies did nothing but disparage that move? Your double standards and bias are showing. You seem to know a whole lot, but I don't see you stepping up and running for a seat.
Both candidates will be taking questions directly from the audience on meet the candidate night? I didn't think so. It's more likely that the impartial PTA moderator will be given the questions in advance and will just put on the dog and pony show of making believe the questions are being selected from the audience cards.
Why would you lead people to believe that the only truthful information comes directly from BOE members and the superintendent at district meetings?

Since: Feb 12

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#88 Apr 11, 2012
The thought below is compliments of Wise'Ol Owl (nice to see you're back):

Although the Strudy Group and BAC are wonderful political tools, I have seen nor heard any evidence that would indicate them to be formed as "true" contributing factors to the school district. What I have seen and heard from those who have served on the commities is that the Study Group were given the final outcomes in regarding to school closure possibilites, I have seen the BOE disregard even their own Superintendents advice in regards to building closures and give less than adequate consideration to the so called "communites choice" of the closure of 1 ES and MS. Of the BAC I've heard that they were instructed by Steve Gellar that it was a non-binding group and that while suggestions may be made they may not be used. I was told as well that he instructed them that only 20% of the budget; the portion that mostly consists of student services was the only portion to be reveiwed. In other words both groups appear to me to have been established as a "C.O.A" operation by the BOE. A smoke screen to be able to say to the unpopular decisions that were made that the BOA established the groups to ensure 'public participation'.
So it is very sad Steve that you would use an "inside" the room statement made by Mr. Montes against him considering that per Steve Gellars own instructions student service cuts would have to be discussed.
No Good Deed

Valley Stream, NY

#89 Apr 11, 2012
Who created the bad karma wrote:
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You didn't answer the question Deed's. How come our current board leadership could not pull together a deal like Deer Park ?
You need to ask Mr. Gellar or the Board.........Trouble reading?
No Good Deed

Valley Stream, NY

#90 Apr 11, 2012
Parents United wrote:
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Both candidates will be taking questions directly from the audience on meet the candidate night? I didn't think so. It's more likely that the impartial PTA moderator will be given the questions in advance and will just put on the dog and pony show of making believe the questions are being selected from the audience cards.
Why would you lead people to believe that the only truthful information comes directly from BOE members and the superintendent at district meetings?
Right back atcha. Why would you lead people to believe that less than the truth disclosed? And yes, I do believe that the moderators pick the questions, but I also have been lead to believe that the questions picked are based on number of similar or like questions i.e., what the majority of the room would like to know. Could be wrong, but I have no reason to believe otherwise.
Who created the bad karma

New York, NY

#91 Apr 11, 2012
No Good Deed wrote:
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You need to ask Mr. Gellar or the Board.........Trouble reading?
I've met Mr. Gellar and won't be voting for him.

As for asking for information from the board - why bother there's been nothing but fiscal negligence and disinformation from them.

How disappointing, what a failure this board has been.
Who created the bad karma

New York, NY

#92 Apr 11, 2012
Fact check wrote:
The teachers association agreed to a salary freeze last year that saved the district 1.2 million dollars savings. Along with that deal, the teachers increased the health care contribution from 15% to 17%, along with that deal, the district and union agreed on a retirement incentive that saved the district 750k this year. It's all relative, and omparing district deals are difficult at best, because you do not know what the salary structure is of deer park as compared to west Islip. Considering west Islip teachers are amongst some of the lowest paid in Suffolk county, it's a safe bet that deer park salary bases are higher. Again, you can't always balance your budget on the backs of your teachers and staff. I think a balance needs o be struck. The fact is that the west Islip budget looks to be coming in at the required 2% tax cap, no programs have been negativly effected, and the same level of service has been offered. So what is your point exactly?
My point is that legislative constraints have been cited in previous posts relative to opening the WITA contract. Apparently Deer Park has done a much better job of reopening their contract, keeping in mind they are subject to the same constraints we are. Similar give backs you cited above were also secured by DP last year, and this year the deferred increase was eliminated. Hence a better deal for the tax paying public - and the educational program are left in tact.

And I do not think "it's a safe bet to believe their teachers are higher paid than WI". The facts can speak for themselves.

In terms of a balance yes. 75% of the budget is in salaries and benefits - so yes, 75% of the cost savings should come from that bucket. That's balance.

Lastly, it is an out right lie to claim no programs have been negatively affected - what's going on with Boces right now is an example.
No Good Deed

Valley Stream, NY

#93 Apr 11, 2012
Who created the bad karma wrote:
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I've met Mr. Gellar and won't be voting for him.
As for asking for information from the board - why bother there's been nothing but fiscal negligence and disinformation from them.
How disappointing, what a failure this board has been.
Perfect! You won't seek the answer from the source; rather you would prefer to dream up your own reasons based on half-baked information. Fantastic. Your emotional intelligence is shining brightly. Let me get my sunglasses. BTW, fiscal negligence would have been leaving those two buildings open given the enrollment projections. You have a board who were fiscally responsible by coming under the 2% tax cap when presented with the challenge while keeping all programs in tact. I would say they were pretty successful. You can say what you want, blame one person or blame 10 if you need to. The fact is, that we, as a district, do more with less just based on the per pupil spending comparatively. If that is spending "out of control" I would hate to see what your idea of austerity is.
Fact check

West Islip, NY

#94 Apr 11, 2012
No... Opening a contract has nothing to do with legislative constraints... If both parties agree to open the contract, then it gets opened, and an agreement is worked out... As was done last year in west Islip (see above for the details) the legislative constraints issue deals with negotiating an expired contract... If no agreement is reached, the existing contract is in force, thus giving districts very little leverage in negotiations.

The deer park deal last year deferred the raise until this year, and this year it was elliminated. The savings achieved are similar to what the boe negotited for west Islip last year. As well, you didn't need to open the contract this year, tax cap was met without asking for consessions.

In terms of the boces program... I think it is a good idea to reserve this service for occupational eduction only, and put restrictions on criteria for entering. It's very expensive for the tax payer, and should be reserved for oc Ed. Only. North Babylon for example ( since you are so fond of comparing) elliminated boces completely last year from heir budget. East Islip allows 21 students et year ino a boces program ( west Islip had about 90) so I think the students are getting a pretty fair opportunity.
Who created the bad karma

New York, NY

#95 Apr 11, 2012
No Good Deed wrote:
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Perfect! You won't seek the answer from the source; rather you would prefer to dream up your own reasons based on half-baked information. Fantastic. Your emotional intelligence is shining brightly. Let me get my sunglasses. BTW, fiscal negligence would have been leaving those two buildings open given the enrollment projections. You have a board who were fiscally responsible by coming under the 2% tax cap when presented with the challenge while keeping all programs in tact. I would say they were pretty successful. You can say what you want, blame one person or blame 10 if you need to. The fact is, that we, as a district, do more with less just based on the per pupil spending comparatively. If that is spending "out of control" I would hate to see what your idea of austerity is.
Dear Donut,
The fact of the matter is the board and it's leadership knew of the declining enrollment a number of years ago.

The fact that they did not attempt to close "a" school sooner is fiscal negligence. They milked the tax payers out of money they did NOT need.

Thanks for confirming the mentality of the board - which by the way we already knew.
Who created the bad karma

New York, NY

#96 Apr 11, 2012
Fact check wrote:
No... Opening a contract has nothing to do with legislative constraints... If both parties agree to open the contract, then it gets opened, and an agreement is worked out... As was done last year in west Islip (see above for the details) the legislative constraints issue deals with negotiating an expired contract... If no agreement is reached, the existing contract is in force, thus giving districts very little leverage in negotiations.
The deer park deal last year deferred the raise until this year, and this year it was elliminated. The savings achieved are similar to what the boe negotited for west Islip last year. As well, you didn't need to open the contract this year, tax cap was met without asking for consessions.
In terms of the boces program... I think it is a good idea to reserve this service for occupational eduction only, and put restrictions on criteria for entering. It's very expensive for the tax payer, and should be reserved for oc Ed. Only. North Babylon for example ( since you are so fond of comparing) elliminated boces completely last year from heir budget. East Islip allows 21 students et year ino a boces program ( west Islip had about 90) so I think the students are getting a pretty fair opportunity.
The tax cap was met, in light of the poor forecasting, closing schools and reducing Boces services.

Let's not forget this board want an extension of the busing limits to avoid asking for concessions. Why ? Deer Park asked for concessions this year on top of the deferral they got last year.

It's not that they did a great job, the entire set of reductions came out of the students - that small 25% of the budget.

These cuts were not balanced.
No Good Deed

Valley Stream, NY

#97 Apr 11, 2012
Fact check wrote:
No... Opening a contract has nothing to do with legislative constraints... If both parties agree to open the contract, then it gets opened, and an agreement is worked out... As was done last year in west Islip (see above for the details) the legislative constraints issue deals with negotiating an expired contract... If no agreement is reached, the existing contract is in force, thus giving districts very little leverage in negotiations.
The deer park deal last year deferred the raise until this year, and this year it was elliminated. The savings achieved are similar to what the boe negotited for west Islip last year. As well, you didn't need to open the contract this year, tax cap was met without asking for consessions.
In terms of the boces program... I think it is a good idea to reserve this service for occupational eduction only, and put restrictions on criteria for entering. It's very expensive for the tax payer, and should be reserved for oc Ed. Only. North Babylon for example ( since you are so fond of comparing) elliminated boces completely last year from heir budget. East Islip allows 21 students et year ino a boces program ( west Islip had about 90) so I think the students are getting a pretty fair opportunity.
I guess when the Teacher's Union refuses to come to the table to give back concessions, Karma would just call them a "donut", stamp their feet and call them fiscally negligent. Some folks fail to realize that the Teachers' Union is not obligated to discuss those contracts within the term limits. They do so on a good faith basis in effort to work with the district, not against it.
No Good Deed

Valley Stream, NY

#98 Apr 11, 2012
Who created the bad karma wrote:
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Dear Donut,
The fact of the matter is the board and it's leadership knew of the declining enrollment a number of years ago.
The fact that they did not attempt to close "a" school sooner is fiscal negligence. They milked the tax payers out of money they did NOT need.
Thanks for confirming the mentality of the board - which by the way we already knew.
And we would still be at the same place we are today. With two buildings shut. So, how many years ago exactly should we have shut one of those buildings? Which one? How much money would it have saved the district? Over what period of time? How many teachers and staff would we have let go? You seem to have all the answers but seriously lacking in the details. So easy to sit from your save little buble and say we should have done this or we should have done that. Hind sight is 20/20. You don't get any credit for that. Where were you when this was going on? I mean you must have seen the half empty buildings. You mean, you never questioned why? No, no you didn't. As long as it didn't effect you, you said not a word, just stuck your head in the sand and lived your nice little life without stepping into a BOE meeting. Sorry, you don't get a pass. "Milked" the taxpayers out of money? You act like it lined their pockets. Here's a clue and I will go really slow for you. Your BOE Trustees also pay the same taxes you do. Are you saying they intentionally wanted to pay more money, just to stick it to you? Not only is your emotional intelligence questionable, but your comprehension and ability to accept responsibility is truly lacking. If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Fact check

West Islip, NY

#99 Apr 11, 2012
Who created the bad karma wrote:
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The tax cap was met, in light of the poor forecasting, closing schools and reducing Boces services.
Let's not forget this board want an extension of the busing limits to avoid asking for concessions. Why ? Deer Park asked for concessions this year on top of the deferral they got last year.
It's not that they did a great job, the entire set of reductions came out of the students - that small 25% of the budget.
These cuts were not balanced.
No.. The reductions came from consolidation, retirement incentive savings, increased state aide, and decreased mandatory pension contributions. No loss of programs. Educate yourself.
phil

Freehold, NJ

#100 Apr 11, 2012
Fact check wrote:
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No.. The reductions came from consolidation, retirement incentive savings, increased state aide, and decreased mandatory pension contributions. No loss of programs. Educate yourself.
Most of the "reductions" were not reductions at all. They were grossly over estimated estimates, which, with a little of that WISD new math magic, suddenly the 'actual figures' were substantially lower than estimated! Kinda like that get-THREE-new-trucks-for-the-p rice-of-one- gimmick the buildings and grounds dept pulled this year. That over grossly over estimated estimate for one truck yielded THREE new trucks after doing the WISD new math magic. Who are you trying to kid? Hate to throw a little more reality onto your spin, but Boces is a program. Isn't part of the Boces program being "lost" next year? Oh, that's right those silly Boces programs where the kids earn those pesky little certificates which are NEEDED in order to get a job out of high school are being "lost" cut, axed, flushed. The kids win again in WI---NOT.
fyi

Bronx, NY

#101 Apr 11, 2012
No Good Deed wrote:
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I guess when the Teacher's Union refuses to come to the table to give back concessions, Karma would just call them a "donut", stamp their feet and call them fiscally negligent. Some folks fail to realize that the Teachers' Union is not obligated to discuss those contracts within the term limits. They do so on a good faith basis in effort to work with the district, not against it.
That is right the teachers union does always come to the table and often attempts to work with the district in good faith. Problem is that the negotiations that are reached only offer a short term relief.There is no long term gain for the district financially.

Other problem is the present BOE focuses on adminstration not education so every time the tax's have gone up and the union has made concessions the present BOE lines the pockets of adminstrators. This is done either through payraises as was the case in 2010 when WITA deffered payraises to 2013 and was also the case in 2011 when WITA agreed to a 6 month pay freeze and 2% health care increase. Our BOE allowed the Superintendent to continue paying 15% health while lower paid teachers voluntarily increased contributions to 17%. The present BOE saw it appropriate to extend the Superintendent's unexpired contract and increase his benifits(and most likely salary as will be seen in June 2012 when those #'s are finally published).The present BOE also felt it appropriate and necessary to maintain all non-represented adminstrators healthcare coverage with no increase and additionally raised their perks and benifits packages.

NON-REPRESENTED Adminstration present no contractual or unionized commitment from the BOE or the community which they are elected to represent yet the present BOE continually and generously supports this group of employees (the highest group of employees) while the teachers sacrafice for education, the community pays tax increases for education and the students have lost program or parts of their education.

This is why the present BOE's senior representation have done an injustice to education and the community of West Islip and this is not a situation which only played out overnight. It goes back to Dr. Blau when K screenings were taken out of the budget so that Dr. Blau's $24,000 pay raise could be put in.It is the reason why when Dr. Blau left the employ of West Islip schools it was with an unused sick day pay rate of $1,100 and these concessions were all made while taxes greatly rose and the district utilized it's reserves to operate. It all occurred as the financial difficulities were beginning to arise.

And anyone who believes that their are not financial difficulties understand that when you start borrowing from the very people you are responsible to pay you have a financial problem. When you are operating at the expense of sacrificing your savings(district reserve funds) you have a problem. Yet the present BOE continued to 'rob peter to pay peter'~not even paul~ and operate business as usual. They ran up 'bond' borrowing ~and are now concerned with refinancing for a lower interest. They obviously by the sports budget presentation utilizing 2008-09 figures vs present day expenses ~have grossly overspent on sports equipement and upgrades that they just don't want you to know about. The invested in IB. And now only by the closure of 2 ES buildings and by the skin of the govenors teeth(through the raise in state aide) are able to pull together a budget under tax cap without again going to WITA or causing further decemination of our students educations.

This is NOT a successful BOE and this is NOT realistacally a successful budget. It is an acceptable budget but it is NOT a basis to accept and re-elect the present BOE members.

I do want to also make it clear that I am NOT presenting any of this in support of Glen Montes for BOE, but I do support a REAL understanding of our present BOE and the CHANGE that is NEEDED.
Fact check

West Islip, NY

#102 Apr 11, 2012
All of your "facts" are wrong. Not even worth a reply. Lol. Hysterical really!!
Baby got back

Brooklyn, NY

#103 Apr 12, 2012
Fact check wrote:
All of your "facts" are wrong. Not even worth a reply. Lol. Hysterical really!!
You're kidding right. Those facts are spot on.

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