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#87 Jul 4, 2014
William Rivers Pitt | Land of the Free, Unless You're a Woman

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#88 Jul 4, 2014
10 Ways True Feminism is Under Attack
The Real 'war on women'
http://www.infowars.com/10-ways-true-feminism...

The War On Men: 10 Ways Masculinity is Under Attack
And why the elite – not women – are to blame
http://www.infowars.com/the-war-on-men-10-way...

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Big-Pharma Vaccines Deemed “Safe” by Big-Pharma Funded “Study”
Immense conflict of interest from which the report itself was written
http://www.infowars.com/big-pharma-vaccines-d...
Merck and other corrupt Big Pharma co.s and the RAND Corp (War Inc.) are joined at the hip
The debate is not necessarily whether the process of vaccinating is good or bad, but why criminal enterprises have monopolized that process and what can be done to stop them. As with everything else corporate monopolies do, there is a hidden agenda behind the drive to whitewash and promote big-pharma’s vaccines – an agenda that may transcend mere profits and demands additional scrutiny. If commentators want to assign blame upon anyone for creating public distrust in vaccines, it should be upon big-pharma itself.

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Washington Murders Countries, the US Constitution, and the Presstitute Media Makes Americans Complicit
Having Murdered Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the US Constitution, Washington is now Murdering Ukraine
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Secret studies proving Monsanto sells poison
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#89 Jul 21, 2014
Personhood Supporter Ted Cruz Shocked Anyone Thinks GOP Wants To Curtail Contraception Access
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/personh...
by Brian Tashman 7/21/2014

"On Thursday, Sen. Ted Cruz denounced Democratic legislation http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/sena... to ensure that employees receive contraception access in their health insurance plans in the wake of the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby ruling, accusing Democrats of fooling voters through “misdirection.”

Cruz told http://www.frc.org/wwlivewithtonyperkins/gene... the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins that the GOP-blocked Senate bill http://www.pfaw.org/press-releases/2014/07/fi... to prevent employers from refusing to cover contraception was simply a way to “distract people” from President Obama’s purported litany of scandals.

“They tried to convince Americans, and sadly they succeeded in convincing a number of Americans, that were somehow some people in the political sphere out to stop people from using contraceptives,” Cruz said.“I have literally never met anybody who wants to prohibit Americans from using contraceptives if they so desire. The allegation that there is somehow any effort at all to restrict access to contraceptives is looney, in the U.S. Senate the number of Senators advocating doing that is zero, they never have.”

While Cruz seems to miss the link between Hobby Lobby and access to contraception, he also doesn’t seem to understand a bill that he pledged to support: http://nationalprolifealliance.tumblr.com/pos... the Life at Conception Act. Like other personhood bills http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/us/politics... the Life at Conception Act would outlaw some forms of birth control, http://www.theindividualistfeminist.com/home/... along with abortion in all cases.

The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists points out http://www.acog.org/About_ACOG/News_Room/News... that “some of the most effective and reliable forms of contraception, such as oral contraceptives, intrauterine devices (IUDs), and other forms of FDA-approved hormonal contraceptives could be banned” under personhood bills."
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Grantham, NH

#90 Jul 25, 2014
Critics charge Wisconsin with incorrectly applying Hobby Lobby ruling to state law
http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/je...
Jessica VanEgeren July 24, 2014

"Charges are being levied against the state of Wisconsin over how it is applying the controversial Hobby Lobby ruling to justify its decision to quit enforcing a state law that requires employers to cover birth control.

Groups ranging from the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Planned Parenthood Advocates of Wisconsin and the Wisconsin Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice say the U.S. Supreme Court’s June decision was based on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

Based on that federal statute, the court ruled Hobby Lobby and other “closely held corporations,” did not have to cover birth control if doing so was against the corporation’s religious beliefs.

But the Religious Freedom Restoration Act only applies to federal laws, not state laws, the groups maintain. Yet that is how Commissioner Theodore Nickel, with the Office of the Commissioner of Insurance, is interpreting it.

“Gutting mandatory contraceptive coverage is not required by the Hobby Lobby decision, as any staunch states’ rights defender must know,” said Andrew Seidel, an attorney with the Freedom From Religion Foundation in a Tuesday letter to Nickel. http://ffrf.org/images/officeofcommissions.pd...

Allegations that the state is incorrectly applying the Hobby Lobby ruling began almost immediately after news broke Monday that it would no longer enforce its Contraceptive Equity Law requiring employers to cover birth control as part of their overall health plans.

The law passed in 2009 under Democratic former Gov. Jim Doyle. Gov. Scott Walker tried to repeal it after winning the November 2010 election.

“Wisconsin has a contraceptive mandate on the books and the federal government has a mandate. But federal law preempts state law,” said J.P. Wieske, an agency spokesman.“All Hobby Lobby did was expand the definition of who the religious exemption applies to.”

The Freedom From Religion Foundation’s letter to Nickel called the explanation “absurd” and asked for him to immediately rescind his misguided decision.

“Failure to enforce this (state) mandate has nothing to do with religious freedom and everything to do with imposing conservative religious beliefs on women,” Seidel wrote.“The Wisconsin Attorney General’s Office has noted that not providing contraception coverage violates Wisconsin, even amounting to sex discrimination.”"...

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Infowars dot Com

Newton Center, MA

#91 Jul 27, 2014
SueQ the Commie Obsessed Hater of Truth and All That Is Good wrote:
Personhood Supporter Ted Cruz Shocked Anyone Thinks GOP Wants To Curtail Contraception Access
www.LeftWingNuts.pu ke
-OMG, he's For that? For Personhood ??! That's soooo evil!
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#92 Jul 28, 2014
Satanists Demand Religious Exemption From Abortion Restrictions, Cite Hobby Lobby Ruling
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/07/28/34...
Tara Culp-Ressler July 28, 2014

"The Supreme Court’s recent Hobby Lobby decision, which allowed some for-profit companies to claim a religious exemption to Obamacare’s contraception mandate, has sparked a heated debate over the definition of religious liberty and its role in modern society. At this point, even a Satantic cult has decided to weigh in.

The Satanic Temple — a faith community that describes itself as facilitating “the communication and mobilization of politically aware Satanists, secularists, and advocates for individual liberty”— has launched a new campaign seeking a religious exemption to certain anti-abortion laws that attempt to dissuade women from ending a pregnancy. The group says they have deeply held beliefs about bodily autonomy and scientific accuracy, and those beliefs are violated by state-level “informed consent” laws that rely on misleading information about abortion risks.

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby, the Satanists point out, it strengthens their own quest to opt out of laws related to women’s health care that go against their religious liberty.“Because of the respect the Court has given to religious beliefs, and the fact that our our beliefs are based on best available knowledge, we expect that our belief in the illegitimacy of state­ mandated ‘informational’ material is enough to exempt us, and those who hold our beliefs, from having to receive them,” a spokesperson for the organization said in a statement.

The Satanic Temple, sometimes referred to as “the nicest Satanic cult in the world,” falls somewhere between satire, performance art, and activism. The group says its central mission is to “encourage benevolence and empathy among all people, reject tyrannical authority, advocate practical common sense and justice, and be directed by the human conscience to undertake noble pursuits guided by the individual will.” It has a set of seven tenets that closely track with humanism. Typically, wherever issues of church and state are overlapping, the Satanic Temple isn’t far behind.

Members of the Satanic Temple first made national headlines when they rallied in support of Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) for approving a bill that allows prayer in public schools, saying they’re glad the new policy will allow children to pray to Satan. Since then, they’ve also held “a formal ceremony celebrating same-sex unions” on the grave of the mother of the leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, declaring that she has posthumously become a lesbian, and commissioned a seven-foot-tall Satanic statue near a monument to the Ten Commandments at the Oklahoma State Capitol.

And now, the Satanic Temple is turning its attention to “campaigns to assert our religious protection for women with health needs that are being complicated by unreasonable laws,” focusing on the abortion-related legislation that goes against science.

State-level abortion restrictions that aren’t actually based in medicine have swept the nation.“Informed consent” laws, which typically require women to receive biased counseling before being allowed to proceed with an abortion procedure, are now in place in 35 states. Many of those laws require doctors to tell their patients misleading information about abortion’s potential link to mental health issues and breast cancer. "...

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#93 Jul 30, 2014
Muslim Company Forcing Christian Employees to Wear Headscarfs
http://dailycurrant.com/2014/07/22/muslim-com...

"A Muslim-owned arts-and-crafts store in Dearborn, Michigan is forcing its female Christian employees to wear traditional Islamic headscarves while on the job.

According to local reports, Khilāf Krafts began requiring its eight female employees to wear hijabs last week, following the U.S. Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, which gave religious rights to family-owned businesses.

Although five women working for the company are Muslims, the remaining three are practicing Christians. The company has threatened to fire any Christian woman who does not comply.

“My boss came in last Tuesday with a Koran in his hand and told us we were dressed like harlots,” says Karen Anderson, 28, a five year veteran of the company.“He gave us each a hijab and said if we didn’t wear it we’d be unemployed.

“I’m a strong believer in Jesus Christ. But my husband passed a few years ago and I need this job to support my kids. I don’t really have a choice. I have to wear it.”

The Supreme Court’s majority opinion in the Hobby Lobby case allowed the Christian-owned retail chain to opt out of a federal law requiring employers to give female employees contraceptive coverage.

Although praised by conservative Christians, liberals fret that the decision will allow companies with devout owners of any faith to opt out of American laws they simply don’t like.

In her dissent Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg expressed similar fears:“Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be 'perceived as favoring one religion over another,'… The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield.” she wrote.

Khilāf Krafts’ new policy has attracted outrage from women’s rights groups and Christian churches around the country. However, owner Khaleed El-Helani says he’s just a business owner practicing his faith.

“If Hobby Lobby can impose its religious beliefs on its employees, why can’t we?” he demands.“Are Christian business owners somehow more important than Muslim business owners?

“I read through the entire Supreme Court decision. I don’t really see what the problem is here. I’m a small, closely held business. I have devout religious beliefs. Why should I be forced to employ people if it violates my religion?”

El-Helani also says he plans on cutting off his employees' hands if he catches them stealing, in accordance with Islamic law.

"This is what religious freedom looks like," he explains. "Thanks John Roberts!""
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Chester, VT

#95 Sep 10, 2014
Missouri lawmaker suing to deny daughters birth control access
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/missouri-lawmaker-...
Irin Carmon 09/10/14

"One Missouri lawmaker has taken the fight against birth control coverage to a new and very personal place: His own daughters, two of whom are adults.

State Rep. Paul Joseph Wieland and his wife Teresa are suing the Obama administration over its minimum coverage requirements for health plans under the Affordable Care Act, which includes contraception. They say the government is forcing them to violate their religious beliefs because they have three daughters, ages 13, 18 and 19, who are on their parents’ plan and might get birth control at no additional cost.

The Wielands’ case was filed before the Supreme Court ruled in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby that private employers could deny contraceptive coverage to their employees, but they say that decision strengthens their case.

“The employees are to Hobby Lobby what the daughters are to Paul and Teresa Wieland,” Timothy Belz, an attorney from the conservative Thomas More Society, who represents the Wielands, told a panel of three federal judges on the appeals court in St. Louis on Monday. A district court had dismissed the case, saying the Wielands lacked standing to sue.

Belz also said that making birth control more accessible under health plans was “as though the federal government had passed an edict that said that parents must provide a stocked unlocked liquor cabinet in their house whenever they’re away for their minor and adult daughters to use, and Mormons came in and objected to that. It is exactly the same situation.”

One of the judges pointed out that parents might have more control over their kids than employers, and that parents could just say to their kids,“We expect you do abide by our religious tenets.” Belz replied,“Well, we all have high hopes for our kids, that is true. We all expect and want them to obey us, they don’t always …”

In other words, the Wielands are asking the federal government to enforce their parental guidelines on their daughters. It may sound outlandish, but plenty of people thought Hobby Lobby and related cases were outlandish when they were filed, too.

Gretchen Borchelt, senior counsel at the National Women’s Law Center, told msnbc,“It’s just another attempt to undermine the health care law. Wieland wants each individual to be able to pick and choose which specific medical services would be covered in a plan. Under his theory, an employer could be forced to create an individualized plan for each employee depending on their objections – one plan that doesn’t cover contraception, one plan that doesn’t cover vaccinations, one plan that doesn’t cover maternity coverage. Who knows where it would end? It radically undermines the principle of insurance and undercuts the purpose of the health care law, which is to standardize benefits and ensure everyone has comprehensive coverage.”"...

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Newton Center, MA

#96 Sep 15, 2014
Mysterious EV-D68: Vaccinated Children Could Be More Vulnerable
Unvaccinated children appear to be immune to the mysterious virus currently spreading in the Midwest
http://www.infowars.com/mysterious-ev-d68-vac...

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Respiratory Virus Enterovirus D68 Spreads to the Northeast
Good Morning America (today)
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Great quotes on vaccination dangers and ineffectiveness from Top medical/research experts:

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/quotes.htm
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CDC whistleblower confesses to MMR vaccine research fraud in historic public statement
The CDC's Dr. William Thompson has now gone public with a statement posted on the website of the law firm representing him, Morgan Verkamp LLC. The statement opens with a blatant admission of scientific fraud at the CDC:
continued at
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Chester, VT

#97 Sep 16, 2014
Vacdumb dot stupid wrote:
I get my medical advise only from failed idiot celebreties, tv evangelists and official koch brother propaganda.
Polio: at least it isn't autism!
ThinkTwice dot Com

Rutland, VT

#98 Sep 16, 2014
the Koch bros are jewish, therefore anyone criticizing them is anti-semite, just as anyone criticizing Obamas dictatorship is a racist
(ewe're own libtard logic thrown back at ya)
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as for 'failed idiot celebrities', that one ewe love and have posted about here cuz he's a atheist like ewe (Bill Maher) is one who saw thru the pro-vaccine BS, and he got sh't over telling some truth about vaccine dangers when he really deserved getting sh't over most everything else he says!
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ain't no celebs or tv preachers or politicos among those quoted in the link I gave->
http://www.vaclib.org/basic/quotes.htm
^only virologists and top accredited medical experts, including Jonas Salk- perhaps ewe heard of him? He admitted how he screwed up the polio vaccine by growing it in monkey tissue which transferred simian viruses to humans thru his own vaccine, and cuza that we have the infamous SV40 * problem which is why we have so many More people having cancer these days.

Fact: Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by his own oral polio vaccine.

Fact: Elderly retired doctors who treated cancer kids in the 50s - 60s have said that back then they had to get on a plane to go see a kid with cancer cuz it was that rare.

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'Merck vaccine scientist admits presence of SV40 and AIDS in vaccines - Dr. Maurice Hilleman'
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'The true story of SV40, the cancer-causing virus hidden in the Polio vaccine
both and more at->
http://www.google.com/#q=vaccin+sv40+naturaln...
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Chester, VT

#99 Sep 16, 2014
Judge: Hobby Lobby Decision Means Polygamous Sect Member Can Refuse To Testify In Child Labor Case
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/16/3...
Ian Millhiser September 16, 2014

"Citing Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, the Supreme Court’s decision last June holding that the religious objections of a business’ owners could trump federal rules requiring that business to include birth control coverage in its health plan, a federal judge in Utah held last week that a member of a polygamist religious sect could refuse to testify in a federal investigation into alleged violations of child labor laws https://ecf.utd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_pub... because he objects to testifying on religious grounds.

The case involves the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS), a religious sect with as many as 10,000 members. Although the FLDS church splintered from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — the domination commonly known as Mormons — due to a century-old dispute over polygamy, the FLDS sect resembles a cult of personality much more than it does any mainstream religion. Warren Jeffs, FLDS’s leader and “prophet,” is currently in prison after he was convicted of sexually assaulting two underage girls http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52354441-78... — the youngest of whom was 12 years-old — that he claimed have taken as wives. Jeffs taught that African Americans are “the people through which the devil has always been able to bring evil unto the earth,” http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli... and he preached that marrying a person of the same sex is “like murder.”

At one point, he reportedly forbade married couples in his flock from touching each other, whether sexually or otherwise. Instead, he appointed 15 men to father all future FLDS babies. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22377... When one of these men impregnated a woman, two other men were required to witness the act.

The federal child labor investigation arose from a CNN report investigating claims that Jeffs “ordered all schools closed for a week so children could go to work picking pecans off trees at a private ranch” in Utah. The report included video of “hundreds of children, many of them very small” working on the ranch. When the reporters arrived, CNN also caught video of the FLDS children fleeing the cameras.

Yet, according to an order signed by Judge David Sam, a Reagan appointee to a trial court in Utah, the federal officials investigating this alleged violation of child labor laws will not be able to require an FLDS member named Vernon Steed to provide information that could aid the investigation because Steed objects to giving certain testimony on religious grounds. Steed claims that he’s made “religious vows ‘not to discuss matters related to the internal affairs or organization of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.’” According to Judge Sam’s opinion, that’s enough to exempt him from providing the testimony he does not want to give."...

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/16/3...
firstResponder

Hudson, FL

#100 Sep 16, 2014
The judge is wrong. A citizen is not exempt from testifying about criminal activity.
secularism is freedom

Chester, VT

#101 Sep 16, 2014
firstResponder wrote:
The judge is wrong. A citizen is not exempt from testifying about criminal activity.
Yup, and the Hobby Lobby decision was wrong too.

Religion should never place any person or corporation above the law in this great nation!

There can only be religious freedom in a secular country, with secular laws and a well defined wall of seperation between church and state.
HealthCare CantBeA Right

Newton Center, MA

#102 Sep 17, 2014
"...the law in this great nation!"
-that would be the Constitution, which says that It is the 'Supreme Law of the Land'
It also says in Article 6 clause 1 that the tenets of the founder's previous legal engagements (such as the Declaration of Independence) still apply, meaning that the founders statement there about our individual rights coming from God the Creator is a part of the Constitution, contrary to atheist libtwits who claim that the Constitution doesn't mention God
Jefferson et al made it clear there that the main job of govt. is to protect individual God-given rights
Claiming that America is a 'secular country' is as much BS as their claim that 'Health Care Is A Human Right'
True rights Cannot be provided or paid for by govt.! One does Not have a right to health care just as one has no right to car care or a haircut or manicure!

Besides being pro-death by abortion, extremist leftwing nuts like susieQ who posted #89 above show that atheistic libs like her are anti-personhood
I googled the definition of personhood and it says
noun
the quality or condition of being an individual person.
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well no wonder, Godless commies like crazy susieQ hate individualism cuz it stands in the way of their evil goal of total control
VaccineRights dot Com

Newton Center, MA

#103 Sep 17, 2014
speaking of 'Religious Liberty', parents in Vermont can still get either a religious or a philosophical exemption for their child to opt out of having to take vaccinations, those in New Hampshire can opt-out based on their religious convictions

CDC WhistleblowerThompson Appologizes to Dr. Andrew Wakefield
http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/2014/09/02/c...
“I apologize again for the price you paid for my dishonesty…”–CDC Whistleblower Dr. William Thompson to Dr. Andrew Wakefield.
“I do believe your husbands career was unjustly damaged and this study would have supported his scientific opinion. Hopefully I can help repair it”.—Text exchange between Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Dr. William Thompson, Aug 27, 2014
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“CDC caught in billion-dollar scheme to sell vaccines”
by Jon Rappoport
http://www.robertscottbell.com/government/cdc...
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The CDC: A Truly Corrupt and Dangerous Organization
VacTruth.com Sept 10, 2014
http://vactruth.com/2014/09/10/cdc-corrupt-an...
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Dozens of children feared dead after being injected with 'tainted’ measles vaccine in Syria
World Health Organisation programme is suspended after reports that up to 36 children have died after receiving the vaccination
London Telegraph, Sept 16, 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mid...
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CDC Autism Scandal: Tsunami of Anger is Brewing and About to Explode
Sept 17, 2014
As we have previously reported, CNN so far is the only mainstream media (MSM) outlet to report on the CDC whistleblower story regarding CDC senior vaccine scientist Dr. William Thompson, who has come forward to confess that the CDC has withheld key information linking vaccines to autism.
continued at http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-autism-s...
Gott mit uns

Chester, VT

#104 Sep 18, 2014
A Fundamentalist Mormon Was Allowed to Keep Silent About Child Labor Violations Due to (Wait For It…) Hobby Lobby
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
September 17, 2014 by Rachel Ford

"You might remember that a number of atheists, religious progressives, and women’s health advocates had some concerns about allowing an employer’s beliefs about women’s healthcare to determine what kind of coverage they offered, and what that might portend for religious freedom and the law in general.

You might also remember that the Supreme Court did it anyway, in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby.

And don’t forget people insisting that it was not really problematic (and certainly not a blow to women’s rights!) because it was so “limited in scope.” Or the Supreme Court’s decision the very next day that expanded the ruling.

That aftermath has been the basis for some very interesting cases.

Turns out that ruling wasn’t such a limited decision after all, and Justice Ginsburg may have been onto something when she referred to it as “a decision of startling breadth.”

Ben Winslow reports: http://fox13now.com/2014/09/16/judge-rules-fl...

"…[District Court Judge David Sam] has ruled that a member of the Fundamentalist LDS Church does not have to answer questions about child labor violations because of the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in the Hobby Lobby case."

The individual in question is Vergel Steed (or Vernon Steed — his name appears both ways in the ruling), who refused “to answer even the most basic questions in a recent deposition, because he is protected under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.” The questions were part of a case pertaining to the suspected removal of children from school by FLDS leaders in order to compel the kids to work in FLDS fields. Hundreds of children had been seen at work in pecan field in 2012 (rather than attending school).

"In this case, the federal government is suing the town governments of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., alleging they are de facto arms of the FLDS Church and its leader, Warren Jeffs."

(Yes, that Warren Jeffs — the one currently in prison, after being convicted in 2011 of “one count each of aggravated sexual assault, a first-degree felony, and sexual assault, a second-degree felony.”) The government believes Steed should be required to give testimony on the issue. U.S. Magistrate Judge Evelyn Furst agreed. But Steed’s attorney, Jason Haymore, argued that his client was not obliged to give testimony, as he “retains a closely held religious belief that requires him not to speak openly about matters regarding the Church organization with anyone outside of his religious affiliation.” Judge Sam was persuaded.

“It is not for the Court to “inquir[e] into the theological merit of the belief in question,” Sam wrote, citing the Hobby Lobby decision.“The determination of what is a ‘religious’ belief or practice is more often than not a difficult and delicate task …. However, the resolution of that question is not to turn upon a judicial perception of the particular belief or practice in question; religious beliefs need not be acceptable, logical, consistent, or comprehensible to others in order to merit First Amendment protection.”

Just as believing inaccurate religious nonsense about contraception is a perfectly valid reason to decide an employee’s health plan shouldn’t cover it — not because it’s an opinion founded in fact, but because it’s religious — claiming to have a belief against talking about Church related matters means you don’t have to do. Because it’s a religious belief.

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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
No Pecan Pie For Ewe

Rutland, VT

#105 Sep 18, 2014
so the extremist atheist libs, desperately trying to find Something 'wrong' to point to in order to demonize the church and make trouble for them, found out that they get their kids to pick pecans
Oh my God- what a horrible abuse of children!!
Like those other churches that make their kids hunt for little eggs on the pagan-based Ishtar/Astarte/Ashtoreth day which was 'Christian'ized due to a total misconstruing of scripture,
or those secular activities of some towns that have kids help in picking up litter along the roads around the pagan-based 'Earth Day'
or those anti-Life/pro-abortion libs who make their kids (the few they didn't abort) come with them to join in standing in front of Planned Parenthood to counter-protest the pro-Life activists with their horrible truth signs
etc. etc.
So since this atrocity of 'child labor' pecan picking has been going on for years, we ought to see at least some grown-up Mormon youngsters speaking out about the horrors of having to pick those pecans, right?
Just like the 112 kids of the Vermont Twelve Tribes church who were taken from their parents in 1984 under charges of abuse and neglect by the parents who believe in spanking- they're all adults now and speak out about how horribly they were treated*
http://www.google.com/webhp...
(*-Not about how their parents treated them but how horribly the G-d State officials treated them in violating the rights of them and their parents! At least the judge was a good guy and gave them back all their children later that same day)
Gott mit uns

Chester, VT

#106 Sep 29, 2014
Religious Conservatives Finally Admit What They Really Want Out Of Hobby Lobby
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/22/3...
Ian Millhiser September 22, 2014

"For two and a half years, the Obama Administration has tried to strike a balance between the health needs of workers and the sensibilities of employers who object to contraceptive care on religious grounds. Just last month, the administration announced its most recent accommodation for these religious objectors — an employer can exempt itself completely from the federal rule requiring employer-provided health plans to cover birth control, so long as it informs the government that it seeks a religious exemption and tells them which company administers their health plan.

Yet, according to a court document filed earlier this month by a leading religious conservative litigation shop, even this degree of accommodation is insufficient to satisfy the most vehement objectors to birth control. Indeed, if the courts ultimately accept the arguments presented by this court filing, that would leave the administration largely powerless to ensure that workers whose employers object to birth control still receive contraceptive coverage. The alleged rights of the employer would trump the rights of the employee.

The court filing is a motion filed by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty — the same Becket Fund that represented Hobby Lobby in its successful lawsuit in the Supreme Court — on behalf of Ave Maria University, a conservative Catholic school which claims that “any action ‘specifically intended to prevent procreation’— including contraception and sterilization — is morally wrong.” In its motion, Becket asks a federal court in Florida to grant Ave Maria a temporary exemption from the federal rules governing birth control coverage while its litigation against the government proceeds.

What’s unusual about this motion, however, is that it specifically denies that the Obama Administration’s latest accommodation for religious objectors is sufficient.“Rather than simply requiring notice that Ave Maria is a religious nonprofit with a religious objection,” the motion complains,“the augmented rule would require Ave Marie [sic] to provide its insurance company’s name and contact information for the specific purpose of allowing HHS to issue a notice requiring the insurer to provide the exact same items through Ave Maria’s healthcare plan as if Ave Maria had given the insurer Form 700 directly.”

To translate this a bit,“Form 700″ is the form religious objectors were required to submit under a previous attempt to accommodate their sentiments regarding birth control. Under that regime, employers who object to birth control on religious grounds could exempt themselves from providing contraceptive coverage by filling out this short form, which required them to disclose the identity of their insurance administrator. Once the government has this form in hand, they would then contact this insurance company and arrange for it to provide contraceptive coverage to the religious objector’s employees without requiring the objector to provide this coverage itself. Notably, the Supreme Court’s opinion in Hobby Lobby strongly suggests that the just-fill-out-this-form accommodation is sufficient to overcome any legal objections to the overall regime for providing birth control to employees."...

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