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Village Resident

Theresa, NY

#1 Oct 13, 2013
I noticed these posters around town and on line. They say Copenhagen Fire Dept, just wanted to clarify this is a fundraiser for the Elite Drill Team, not for the work that the fire department does.

Thank You for reading
wanttoknoe

Carthage, NY

#2 Oct 13, 2013
Why does this matter? Not asking to be rude, I just don't know. Isn't the drill team part of the fire department?
How do we know

Carthage, NY

#3 Oct 13, 2013
How do we know what the fundraisers support? Why isnt it on the sign that it is to support the drill team?

It is just my opinion but I dont support the drill team and believe it should not exist.

Nothing personl but the noise, drinking and behavior just isnt something that I think should exist in a fire dept. So if I take my family to fundraisers, I want to know where the money goes.

I know a few dept members and it is my understanding that drill team might be dept members but it isnt dept supported. Money from fundraisers ran by the team goes to support the team. I dont want my money to support anything associated to that team.
Village Resident

Theresa, NY

#4 Oct 13, 2013
How do we know wrote:
How do we know what the fundraisers support? Why isnt it on the sign that it is to support the drill team?
It is just my opinion but I dont support the drill team and believe it should not exist.
Nothing personl but the noise, drinking and behavior just isnt something that I think should exist in a fire dept. So if I take my family to fundraisers, I want to know where the money goes.
I know a few dept members and it is my understanding that drill team might be dept members but it isnt dept supported. Money from fundraisers ran by the team goes to support the team. I dont want my money to support anything associated to that team.
I agree with this comment which is why I posted the first comment. The drill team has it's own fund raisers. What I don't agree with is this there is lack of reporting from the drill team. It's money is controlled by one person, I'm not accusing this person. We never know how many tickets are sold or how much money is collected or how or where it is spent. I don't think it's right that all we get is a report whenever they want to give it. All that is given is beginning balance, total expense, total income and ending balance. Never a report on what when where and how much is spent.
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We as a department account for every bill, at least two signatures are required to spend money. Same rules should apply to this department group. Given the events of this summer and feedback on this forum I won't support any fund raiser that is not for department needs. If you say anything you get your head bite off.
just a thought

Carthage, NY

#5 Oct 14, 2013
it is a drill team funtion
Why

Carthage, NY

#6 Oct 14, 2013
If it is a Drill Team function then why do the posters around town not mention the Drill Team at all?

I think that is decietful. All fundraisers no matter where or for who should clearly state who benefits from the money recieved.

This makes me wonder where my money has went in the past and who benefits from my money in the future. I will have to ask a dept member from now on about other events.

Disgusted.
Village Resident

Theresa, NY

#7 Oct 14, 2013
They know that the support for the drill team is waning. So I figure they think if they leave the drill team off the posters no one will be none the wiser.

I don't agree with it, whitch is why I pointed it out. They tried to have another clam bake and it was cancelled due to no support. I hope we see a pattern.

We as a community do need to support the department though. I just chose NOT to support the people that feel entitled.
just observations

Boston, MA

#8 Oct 14, 2013
I believe the drill team having a found raiser shows that they care and can give back to the community. Now go to a drill team function then go to a fire dept function, granted they are all firefighters first.... take note of the people working every function, ill bet your findings would tell you who the hardest workers and most dedicated are in that department.
Wrong

Carthage, NY

#9 Oct 15, 2013
Maybe you should actually get the numbers on who actually goes to calls. Actual MVA's and fires.(only sober counts)

Then I think that might be a better reflection of honor and dedication to the fire service.

The people that take the risk and give 100% for others without any reward accept the defintion of service.
Local parent

Theresa, NY

#10 Oct 27, 2013
Long Range forecast says a low of 50* on Halloween night. No Snow, No Rain, sounds like great night to get out with your kids, grand kids or however and walk around the village and trick or treat. We as a society don't do enough with our children. Go out and create a memory, keep the kids safe and have a great time.
Anonymous

Ashtabula, OH

#11 Oct 28, 2013
test
lying

Carthage, NY

#12 Oct 28, 2013
I think it is really important for our community to understand that this is a drill team function and the sudden involvment of the Auxilary is false. Donating Popcorn and decorations does not warrent the term benefit from. The teams they mention are Cheer leading squads. The community can not continue to be lied to. The lack of support for the Drill Team is a result of past behavior of team members, and a opinion that our tax dollars are wasted on this groups compensation and the gamble they take by risking more money for a few people to go to a few drills. Pretending that a event to support children and a commnity but charging children at the door is ludicrous...If it is for children, why charge $? OUr community has a right to voice an opinion on how our tax dollars should be spent.
As LOCAL PARENT stated...enjoy the tradition of Halloween and enjoy our wonderful amazing village. Allow the people with grown children to enjoy yours as they go door to door and take advantage of seeing people you may not have an opportunity to otherwise. Prayers for a safe and Happy Halloween.
Local parent

Theresa, NY

#13 Oct 28, 2013
lying wrote:
I think it is really important for our community to understand that this is a drill team function and the sudden involvment of the Auxilary is false. Donating Popcorn and decorations does not warrent the term benefit from. The teams they mention are Cheer leading squads. The community can not continue to be lied to. The lack of support for the Drill Team is a result of past behavior of team members, and a opinion that our tax dollars are wasted on this groups compensation and the gamble they take by risking more money for a few people to go to a few drills. Pretending that a event to support children and a commnity but charging children at the door is ludicrous...If it is for children, why charge $? OUr community has a right to voice an opinion on how our tax dollars should be spent.
As LOCAL PARENT stated...enjoy the tradition of Halloween and enjoy our wonderful amazing village. Allow the people with grown children to enjoy yours as they go door to door and take advantage of seeing people you may not have an opportunity to otherwise. Prayers for a safe and Happy Halloween.
Yay!!! Someone finally halls tha balls to put pen to paper and tell it the way it should be said. It's a shame that the ones hosting the event have to lie and deceive to get support and attendance.

Thank you saying it like it is! Not worrying about how others will react to your comments. We need more people like you. You ever thought about joining the fire service? Our community could use a few new members.
Lets be Clear

Theresa, NY

#14 Oct 28, 2013
just observations wrote:
I believe the drill team having a found raiser shows that they care and can give back to the community. Now go to a drill team function then go to a fire dept function, granted they are all firefighters first.... take note of the people working every function, ill bet your findings would tell you who the hardest workers and most dedicated are in that department.
The only reason you see the "hardest working members" you refer to, is because those members have and continue to drive away the others. They think they own the place! No one wants to be treated with abuse and pushed around by the few.
We all notice less and less functions that benefit the department coffers. A few breakfast's, auction and field day, that's about it.
I won't support functions unless they say benefit of department general fund.
Concerned

Rochester, NY

#15 Oct 29, 2013
Village Resident, Is there a reason why you began a topic about a group in the Fire Dept. that you obviously belong to? Wouldn't this be considered Conduct Unbecoming of a Member? I'm sure if your all about following the rules of the department, then you will be turning in your resignation after this incident! If you don't want to support them, than don't! But to be a pot stirrer and come into here asking questions that you as a member already know, is nothing short of deceitful! Maybe, your the problem and are just trying to deflect the attention to another group in the department? I guess we will never know because its obvious you are not a stand up person and member of your local fire department.......
Mirror

Carthage, NY

#16 Oct 29, 2013
Concerned wrote:
Village Resident, Is there a reason why you began a topic about a group in the Fire Dept. that you obviously belong to? Wouldn't this be considered Conduct Unbecoming of a Member? I'm sure if your all about following the rules of the department, then you will be turning in your resignation after this incident! If you don't want to support them, than don't! But to be a pot stirrer and come into here asking questions that you as a member already know, is nothing short of deceitful! Maybe, your the problem and are just trying to deflect the attention to another group in the department? I guess we will never know because its obvious you are not a stand up person and member of your local fire department.......
The only people you can blame is the source of all the issues. You can continue to blame all the people in the dept that dont agree with the drill team, then blame the villsge board, then blame all the people that left or went exempt throughout the last 15 years. The people you blame within the dept will also sooner or later leave, then you can pick another target.

Keep blaming others but in reality the truth is right within the people you attempt to defend. As far as breaking the rules, What rules? We have all read members comments, even with names. Did these members resign? Oh let me guess, you think it is ok when they wrote anything?

Hell a member stated they along with their family member would not respond to a community members house fire. What was done about that little unethical statement?
Hypicrite

Carthage, NY

#17 Oct 29, 2013
Concerned wrote:
Village Resident, Is there a reason why you began a topic about a group in the Fire Dept. that you obviously belong to? Wouldn't this be considered Conduct Unbecoming of a Member? I'm sure if your all about following the rules of the department, then you will be turning in your resignation after this incident! If you don't want to support them, than don't! But to be a pot stirrer and come into here asking questions that you as a member already know, is nothing short of deceitful! Maybe, your the problem and are just trying to deflect the attention to another group in the department? I guess we will never know because its obvious you are not a stand up person and member of your local fire department.......
Well, I guess we will never know because its obvious you are not a stand up person and member of your local fire department......must be your a member to or maybe just married one? Either way, your on Topix, reading and writing to. lol typical, judge others but when you do it is ok...hmmmm....last name? Anyone else see proof of a pattern?
wanttoknoe

Carthage, NY

#18 Oct 29, 2013
What does is matter who is a member and who isn't? This department is a joke!

Let's list some of the reasons

Chief beats up a kid, a drunk kid
Minor was obviously served at the field days (at least one)
Multiple members - mostly with the Same last name- have been arrested. Some not that long ago.
Fuel missing out of trucks - member suspected
Items missing from fire trucks - members suspected
Multiple members go to a scene intoxicated and then back the new truck into the fire department
Lots of dishonest things going on

I'm sure I can go on and on and on, but why bother. Anyone who knows a single person in the fire department also knows all this information. They are all quick to throw each other under the bus. No one likes each other,

There is no brother/sisterhood in this department. There is hate, resentment, revenge, childish behavior, and a constant battle. A battle that has now spilled out the public. The members should be ashamed of themselves.
Child Advocate

Theresa, NY

#19 Oct 30, 2013
I care deeply for children. While I believe that fire safety is a noble thing to teach, I don't think this station is the right place to teach it. If you ever want to tour the station or the trucks, I'm sure all you have to do is ask any member. They should all have access to the building, plus a one on one session will address your circumstances specifically. As "Wanttoknoe" listed many reasons I see no point in rehashing those particular ones. I don't see any added value to exposing our children to the toxic atmosphere that is being fostered in that station. I think they need to prove to all of us that thier behavior is changing. To date they have not.

Take the night to enjoy your kids, walk the village, meet your neighbors, reconnect with old friends. Stay safe, love your kids!
Door open

Carthage, NY

#20 Oct 30, 2013
And the Dept or the drill team and or that family would have never been brought again to this forum if they had not tried to lie on a fundraiser poster. Thye drill team again opened the door for thee comments.

The only way they are going to right the wrong is to prove to us in the community that the dept has changed,

Lying fosters mistrust.

This is years in the making, it is going to take years to correct the past or dismiss the members that are the source of a majority of the conflict for over ten years.

if you look back at all the garbage that has been written, it was dept members, elected officials, a chief or specifically the drill team that invites all this.

If we want it to all stop, stop the behavior. It would be the best for our entire community!

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