Indian Trail tables liquor by drink

Indian Trail tables liquor by drink

There are 40 comments on the Charlotte.com story from Jul 12, 2007, titled Indian Trail tables liquor by drink. In it, Charlotte.com reports that:

“Another year, (other towns) will develop, and we will lag behind”

The Indian Trail Town Council decided not to discuss liquor by the drink Tuesday, killing any chance of putting the issue to a public vote in November.

Mayor Sandy Moore had added a liquor-by-the-drink discussion to the Town Council agenda, but council member Ray Killough asked at the beginning of the meeting that the item be removed.

Killough said the council needed all of its members to discuss such an important item. Council member Mercedes Cass did not attend the meeting.

Killough also said the town needed to finish revising its ordinances before considering a liquor-by-the-drink referendum. Read more

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John Hullinger

Santa Fe, TX

#21 Sep 14, 2007
Casey, you are correct about the ordinances already in place. The process isn't just about writing new ordinances, it is making sure that all loopholes, visible or not, are closed. The town wants to make sure that they have taken everystep to control all aspects related to lbtd.

As far as my communications with Brinker International, at this point I am still trying to gather information from them as well as other companies before I am ready to address some of the issues. I will tell you that they will not locate in Indian Trail until lbtd is passed. They have looked at another location around here, not on US 74, but Indian Trail is attractive to them for other reasons. As you may already know, there are a lot of factors that go into the decision making process for them. With all due respect, I need to wait until I have all the information I am seeking before responding to your question in full.

Thank you fore visiting my website. I encourage everyone to listen to all of the candidates and then vote your conscience.
larryd

Indian Trail, NC

#22 Sep 14, 2007
Casey if you have noticed this is the way the town blows smoke screens,make a lot of excueses hopeing people will give up ,if you do ,theyve won,if you keep on they just laugh because they have the POWER,without there say so it wont be put on the agenda,therefore it gets droped.The biggest problem is to much outside influnce.Read the papers,other blogs,and you will see .
john

AOL

#23 Sep 15, 2007
I live right outside the city limits, but work in Indian Trail. When people go out to eat the only places in Indian Trail are pizza joints and fast food, so in many cases they are just going to travel right down the road and spend their money to go to a nice restaurant and if they want alcohol they are going to get it there and drive right back home to Indian Trail. I believe the citizens have the right to vote on it. From the other things I have read about the town council of
Indian Trail I think they need some new council members who will work for the people of Indian Trail. I would hate to see another fast food/burger joint come to Indian Trail, but I am afraid that is exactly what will keep happening.
Casey

AOL

#24 Sep 18, 2007
I think many residents of Indian Trail have become disheartened by the lack of vision in the planning of our town. There are about nine fast food restaurants in that cluster on 74. I then read that another McDonald's, Wendy's and Burger King are coming to Monroe Rd. In the Indian Trail Rd/ Sun Valley area. What is this doing to our property values when we are becoming the fast food mecca of Union County ?
Mr Hullinger we agree that we will not get something like a Chili's until we have LBTD. But yet you propose waiting until 2008 to put the referendum to the voters. I fear by then it will be too late. The quality establishments we want to attract will have moved on to areas such as Wesley Chapel, Stallings, Monroe etc. While we have developed all of our prime locations with a multitude of Fast Food.
I commend your noble intentions to reach as many residents as possible. But I believe time is of the essence.

John Hullinger

Santa Fe, TX

#25 Sep 18, 2007
Casey, first off, please call me John, while I appreciate the respect, somehow Mr. makes things too formal. I still think I am too young to be a Mr.
As far as restaurants go, Indian Trail has a lot of the factors that these businesses are looking for when deciding where to locate. The other communities you mentioned do not have the same draw that Indian Trail has.

Chili's has looked at a location near I-485 and Idlewild, but I was told that this would not affect a decision to place a location in Indian Trail as well. Most of these companies are waiting for the first step, lbtd, before doing further analysis.

I really would like to hold firm to the Nov. 2008 election, but I am willing listen, to learn if the majority of citizens would like to vote on the issue earlier than this date.
Tired of the Dark Ages

Matthews, NC

#26 Oct 31, 2007
larryD, Please be carefull about John Hullinger. He is of the same mind set as the present council and his partner candidate Lee Godwinn is also. If Hullinger and/or Godwinn are elected you WILL see a major DELAY in allowing the residents to vot on Liquor By the Drink at least until May of 2009. Hullinger's facts are wrong. It is against the law to vote on the Liquor by the drink in November of 2008 as he recommends we wait for. This law will cause a futher delay until May of 2009

The present council along with Hullinger and Godwin fail to tell you that WE ALREADY HAVE ADULT ORDINANCES IN PLACE. It does not take as long as they tell you it should take to update this section of the ordinanceS.

These two candidates are just stalling like the present council is. Please visit www.ITCFP.ORG to get the facts on Donofrio, Goodall and Layburn who are running for Town council. They will give us the opportunity to vote on Liquor By the Drink in just A few short months, May of 2009. No Delays, No Stalling, no No Misleading.

There are things that are just NOT Getting done by this present council who also supports Hullinger and Godwin. Donofrio, Goodall and Layburn WILL Get us moving forward. They WILL get the job done and get it done right. Please do your research before voting day. Which is Tuesday November 6th.
Tired of the Dark Ages

Matthews, NC

#27 Oct 31, 2007
Also plese keep in mind the Hullinger and Godwinn only Need ONE of them voted onto the council together in order to keep the present mind set of NOT MOVING FORWARD. They know that and this is why they try to adverstise that they are not running as a group.

This is why it is important to vote for DONOFRIO, GOODALL, and LAYBURN Together in order for the majority of the council to change enough for the present mindset to change and get Indian Trail Moving forward to catch up with today's society. Plesee again visit www.ITCFP.ORG to let Donofrio, Goodall and Layburn know what is important to you. They want to listen to YOU. You can fill out a survey to let them know what is important to you and you can see their profiles and what issues are important to them.
Tired of the Dark Ages

Matthews, NC

#28 Oct 31, 2007
CORRECTION.....
TO THE ABOVE POSTING.

Vote for Donofrio, Goodall and Layburn and you will be able to vote for Liquor by the drink in May of 2008, Not 9
Tired of Excuses

Indian Trail, NC

#29 Oct 31, 2007
VOTE MOORE,MAYOR,GOODALL,DONOFRINO, LAYBURN,COUNCIL to get Indian Trail moving ahead,they wont waste tax payers money like the present yahoos are doing!!!
Neanderthal Man

Charlotte, NC

#30 Oct 31, 2007
If anyone votes for Hullinger or Godwin, the earliest you will be able to vote on LBTD is the summer of 2009. Hullinger and his new found buddies use the "rewriting the town ordinances" as a smokescreen (it's been in existence for years and they're using scare tactics to fool the public). Donofrio, Goodall, and Layburn have PLEDGED to give Indian Trail citizens the right to vote on a mixed drink referendum in May 2008. They will deliver. It's outright ILLEGAL to have an alcohol vote with a presidential election (November 2008), yet Hullinger uses this as a smokescreen (but he's learning quickly from his master, the King). Why could anyone move to a town and ONLY SIX (6) months later, file to run for office and claim to know what's best for Indian Trail? Get real! No national or regional well-known and respected restaurants will EVER move to Indian Trail (or movie theaters or well-known national branded hotels) w/o the right to serve alcohol to its adult patrons. Wesley Chapel is doing it right. But not here. Get Donofrio, Goodall, and Layburn ON THE COUNCIL NOW!!! before we're ISOLATED forever!!!!

Since: Oct 07

Charlotte, NC

#31 Nov 1, 2007
Do you ITCFP people go to a class to learn how to talk alot and say nothing. All of you have the same answers. Oh I forgot, If you vote for one, you have to vote for all three. I guess there is only one mind if you are a PAC member.

If you have ever spoken to John or Lee you would find that they are humble and concerned about this town in which they live. Neither John or Lee have said they do not want the voters to vote on Liquor by the drink.

As for the New Town Hall. WE DONT NEED IT!!!!. The developers, you know those guys that are buying thier vote, can build the downtown project own their own. They do not need the Town Hall to be in it. He could still build the downtown project, and not use one dime of tax payer money. Why should I as a tax payer pay for something we dont need. Having a fancy building is not going to help us make better choices. Maybe once we have enough police officers and the roads are in better shape, then maybe we could consider a new town hall. How stupid is it to spend 8-10 million( dollar amount given in council meeting) on a town hall, and not be able to pay for police or roads.

Sounds like the good ole boys are patting each other on the back and looking out for each other.

As for the PAC canidates listening. Not true. I emailed them about a month ago a list questions and have not heard from them. After seeing Layburns tantrum at the town council meeting and then them not ansering my questions I knew I could not vote for them.
Thomas Spillman

El Segundo, CA

#32 Nov 1, 2007
Miss Broom,

I was present at that meeting. What I saw was an emotional outpouring of feelings and concern for the direction of the town. You obviously, have no vision for the future of IT. A town our size needs a viable downtown. It needs economic developement, it needs an identity. If you are comfortable with how IT looks now, you need to get your eyes checked.

Since: Oct 07

Charlotte, NC

#33 Nov 1, 2007
As counil member, he can not storm out and disrespect the council and citizens that are there. Anyone other than those from ITCFP were in shock and it took focus away from those that spoke after him. There is a difference between passion and disrespect.

Yes I have a vision for Indian Trail. Yes I see there are areas we could improve on. But my vision is one of keeping taxes low so that oridinary citizens can afford to live here. We need more police and better roads. We do not need a new Town Hall. If we wanted to live in Charlotte, then thats where we would have moved.
John Hullinger

Englewood, CO

#34 Nov 1, 2007
I would not give credit to anyone who will not use their real name. Tired of the Dark Ages, you are correct, we cannot have an alcoholic beverage vote in the Nov. election on even numbered years. But to suggest that I am using it as a smoke screen is misinformation. Please present facts with your argument. I made a statement not knowing that this was on the books. Your attacking me on this issue represents your intellectual dishonesty. Is ITCFP so concerned and desperate that you now need to attack me?

Let me ask you, why do you oppose the rewriting of the ordinances which was recommended by the town attorney? I firmly believe that the town attorney has better insight into this than you or any of the town council candidates, including myself.

I have lived in Indian Trail since February. I would like to ask you, how long must someone live in the community before they are allowed or qualified to get involved in their community? I find it a strength that someone would move to a community and immediately get involved. How difficult is it to see what the issues facing Indian Trail are, and what we can do to start addressing them?

Indian trail needs people who can step up and take a leadership roll. I am here to serve the community.

Perhaps you have not followed larryd‘s posts, but he has stated that he supports the ITCFP candidates. I think you should follow larryd’s example, he has disagreed with me, but he still shows me respect and doesn’t attack me. I respect him for that.

When I registered as a candidate, I had not met any of the current council members, members of ITCFP, Mr. Quinn, Mr. Godwin, nor Mrs. Allen. To suggest that “his master, the King” is teaching me, is just plain ignorant. People do support me, but you will have to ask them why. I am running because I want to make a positive impact of the community, I do not want to control it.

If you want to have an honest discussion, stand tall (post your name), and give me the same respect that I give you. Don’t try to spin things.
Kayleigh

AOL

#35 Nov 1, 2007
I find it interesting that in this day and age this is still an issue.
What does everyone think is the real issue behind why we don't have LBTD ? I have heard all kinds of reasons from ordinances, fear of being taken over by adult clubs, wanting to stop growth.
I have also heard a lot this is a faith based issue. Can anyone explain this?
Indian Trail homeowner

AOL

#36 Nov 2, 2007
John Hullinger, When I first read about you I really liked you. We share the same faith however I strongly oppose the Mayor candidate you support. John Quinn is trying to win on the basis of bashing the opposing party's. That doesn't support what I thought of you. What he says of Sandy Moore was unbelievable. Directed by anger.
It leaves me confused about you. Even though you have been here 7 months isn't to say you can't educate yourself in the direction needed for Indian Trail. It's the Quinn part I am confused about.

Since: Oct 07

Charlotte, NC

#37 Nov 3, 2007
I strongly support John Hullinger. I have found him to have a very good understanding of town issues and his goals are very realistic.

As fo Mr. Quinn. Even though it might not be nice of him to point out the not so nice things about Sandy( which in the papers this week are coming out to be ture)and he might not have the people skills that some may want,I think that he does have a sinciere desire to do what is best for Indian Trail and because of his involment on several committies, he has a good understanding of town issues.

If you feel that strong about Mr. Quinn, then you do have another choice which is Mrs. Allen. But please do not take your vote from Mr. Hullinger or Mr. Godwin because of your feelings for Mr. Quinn.

The most important thing is make sure you vote. We might not all agree on who to vote for, but we all must vote.

I will be voting for John Hullinger, Lee Godwin and John Quinn. I will be writing in my third vote as I do not want to give any of my votes to the PAC.
Tired of Excuses

Indian Trail, NC

#38 Nov 3, 2007
Kathy Broom wrote:
Do you ITCFP people go to a class to learn how to talk alot and say nothing. All of you have the same answers. Oh I forgot, If you vote for one, you have to vote for all three. I guess there is only one mind if you are a PAC member.
If you have ever spoken to John or Lee you would find that they are humble and concerned about this town in which they live. Neither John or Lee have said they do not want the voters to vote on Liquor by the drink.
As for the New Town Hall. WE DONT NEED IT!!!!. The developers, you know those guys that are buying thier vote, can build the downtown project own their own. They do not need the Town Hall to be in it. He could still build the downtown project, and not use one dime of tax payer money. Why should I as a tax payer pay for something we dont need. Having a fancy building is not going to help us make better choices. Maybe once we have enough police officers and the roads are in better shape, then maybe we could consider a new town hall. How stupid is it to spend 8-10 million( dollar amount given in council meeting) on a town hall, and not be able to pay for police or roads.
Sounds like the good ole boys are patting each other on the back and looking out for each other.
As for the PAC canidates listening. Not true. I emailed them about a month ago a list questions and have not heard from them. After seeing Layburns tantrum at the town council meeting and then them not ansering my questions I knew I could not vote for them.
The price of 8-10million dollars is a forest.The state has to approve the town hall construction,if the state says the town can only spend only 3millionthey will have to take it or leave it.Besides there was never a price put on the town hall till the present group got in ,only thing the town hall had was drawings,no figures,if you dont believe it call the state,they will tell you.
The Town Crier

AOL

#39 Nov 4, 2007
I'm not sure why we are still discussing the town hall issue. Our current council took it upon themselves to do as they wanted to do. They did not feel the public should have a say on this. Folks, a new town hall has been purchased end of story.
I am suprised that candidates Hullinger, Godwin and Quinn support the new town hall purchase as they claim to be for a more open form of government. Yet this decision was made in complete secrecy. I was stunned that councilman Schallenkamp who endorses the above candidates would be a champion of this sort of closed door meeting politics as it is the very thing that he blasted the previous council for before he was elected.
I guess this is an example of politics as usual.Glad to see some fresh faces on the ballot this year.
John Hullinger

Waxhaw, NC

#40 Nov 4, 2007
In response to 'Indian Trail homeowner', I can't speak to your experience with John Quinn, only what I have seen. I know that Mr. Quinn has a lot of strong feelings about the current Mayor. There are several questionable actions that the current Mayor has taken. I do support Mr. Quinn, which is not to take anything away from Teresa Allen. I think Teresa would also do a good job if elected, I just feel that Mr. Quinn is the better candidate. I definitely do not want to see the current Mayor re-elected.
If you do decide to vote for me, I appreciate your support.

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