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Floman

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Feb 2, 2008
 
I was wondering why the people of that participate in these forums never talk about the HUGE amount of money that is wasted in the Hazelwood School District. I have just started reading these posts a short time ago and maybe that's old news that has been discussed a long time ago. But the Hazelwood School District gets over 60% of our real estate and personal property taxes and wastes it on a much grander scale than our friend Bob wastes money in Florissant.

Why doesn't anyone complain about the assistant superintendants that make over $100,000 a year to supervise things such as playground equipment?

The district just built all these middle schools eliminating the 6th grade from all of the elementary schools and they are still adding space onto the elementary schools. They lost a grade opening up classrooms that can handle an increase in enrollment.

How about Dr Chris Wright the "beloved" Superintendant having Board President Mark Behlmann build her new home?

This is where the attacks should be aimed. The school district is getting over $1500 of my money each year and I'm sure it's about the same for most of you. If Bob stopped wasting our money maybe we could get $10 a month back in utility taxes.

Two wrongs don't make a right but Chris Wright is committing a HUGE WRONG.

“also know as ratwinger”

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#3
Feb 2, 2008
 
first lets start on how many of the Hazelwood Schools are IN the city limits of Florissant?
How many of the Ferguson Florissant schools are in the city limits?
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Feb 2, 2008
 
ratwinger 63031 wrote:
first lets start on how many of the Hazelwood Schools are IN the city limits of Florissant?
How many of the Ferguson Florissant schools are in the city limits?
But the school districts are totally seperate from the municipal government.
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Feb 2, 2008
 
McCluer, McNorth and Haz Central are in the city limits right?

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Feb 3, 2008
 
SMN48 wrote:
McCluer, McNorth and Haz Central are in the city limits right?
Hazelwood Central is NOT in the city limits of Florissant. And as far as I know the only middle school in the city limits of Florissant is the Jr High on Shackelford. But I don't know where the other new middle schools are.

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Feb 3, 2008
 
florissant1 wrote:
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Hazelwood Central is NOT in the city limits of Florissant. And as far as I know the only middle school in the city limits of Florissant is the Jr High on Shackelford. But I don't know where the other new middle schools are.
Two middle schools in the city limits - Hazelwood Middle off Shackelford and Crosskeys Middle ( Ferg - Flor) off highway 67 at Crosskeys Drive.
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Feb 3, 2008
 
I think most school districts over spend and misappropriate funds. But they do it legally. The first thing the you hear politician's mouth is how money should go to the schools. Not that I don't agree money should be spent, it ought to be spent more wisely.

When the lottery was being proposed, a portion of the revenue was to be allocated to schools. Then when the casinos were proposed, there was a portion of the revenue to go for schools. What happened is the legislators found a loophole and cut the state's portion of funding. Now the same legislators are trying to take revenue from the red light cameras and apply it to the schools. In the mean time we have a reassessment of our property taxes in the metropolitan St. Louis area. Increased taxes means more revenue for the schools once again.

How do school districts handle all this income? They spend money on some things that I'm sure would be considered a waste of taxpayers dollars if it was a municipal government spending the same way school districts do. Oh and I forgot, every election that has a polling place in a school gets paid to allocate the space to hold an election. This doesn't include bond issues. The bond issues that gripe me are the ones that school districts say will not increase our taxes. Yet they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to pass these bond issues. Does that make sense?

The time of the year when you can see our school districts playing the money game is at the end of the year. If a school district has X amount of dollars in their fiscal budget and they have money left, what do they do? They find ways to spend it so they won't have their budget reduced the following year. Since the next fiscal budget is based on what they spent in the previous years budget. Missouri needs to work with budgeting school districts to keep unnecessary spending at a minimum. One way would be to not penalize a school district for spending under budget without the fear of having their budgets cut the next year.

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Feb 3, 2008
 
Floman,

What's your plan? There are a lot of posters here who are for school reform and better schools. I'd be happy to work on anything related to school reform.

Maybe the City Council should pass a law and let the citizen's decide where to put our school money ourselves.

People might not talk about Hazelwood Schools on here because they don't have kids in Hazelwood Schools. Most threads about school reform haven't lasted very long.

Pointing out other bad administrators in Missouri doesn't relieve Mr. Lowery is his waste of public funds.

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#10
Feb 3, 2008
 
Floman,

Are you saying that you feel that Mark Behlmann is involved in illegal activities with the Hazelwood School Board?

That's a pretty serious charge to make, as you've challenged others in the past, I'd like to see what proof you have.
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Feb 3, 2008
 

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Ok....as far as what schools in the Hazelwood School District are in Florissant - there is only one. It is Hazelwood Northwest Middle School on Shakelford. Cross Keys is in the Fer-Flor Dist. But, there are many people who live in the city of Florissant (not just a Florissant address) that go to Hazelwood Schools. There are lots of kids who go to Hazelwood West that live in Florissant (off of Shakelford).

As far as money from the lottery or casinos, it is too bad that the legislators found the loop hole. I know there has been a lot of talk about the under payment of policemen/women, but not on this thread have I seen the thought that teachers are under paid. I am not just saying this because I am a teacher and that I am married to a teacher.

Not only are we required to teach the subject we are certified to teach, but we have to instill these morals, teach manners, do hall duty, teach displine. What other job do you know that at the end of your work day you have to come back for three more hours? But, that is exactly what teachers are made to do on open house nights, concerts, parent/teachers conferences, etc.

I have a feeling that if you are not a teacher, married to one or know one that you will not agree with me. Your first reaction will be - teachers have it good, they get three months a year off. But, alas now that is not true. We do get out around the first of June and come back the first of August (on my calander that is not three months). Not only that, but we are required to do so many hours of Professional Development. Unfortunately these Pro. Development is not in Florida like some people in other professions get to go to.

Your second reaction will probably be - teachers shouldn't make as much as policemen (if they make much at all) because they do not put their lives on the line at their work. I will have to disagree with you again (suprise, suprise). With times changing and kids getting more violent, you never know what is going to happen day to day. I can walk through the commons and know that there will be a fight soon, just by the tension in the air. I even had to break up a fight of two young men this year that were at least 50 lbs and inches bigger than me. You just don't know what will come into play when people get heated, no only in Hazelwood, but anywhere.

Just my opinions. Take it as you may.
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Feb 3, 2008
 
J-Dub in Ward 8 wrote:
Floman,
What's your plan? There are a lot of posters here who are for school reform and better schools. I'd be happy to work on anything related to school reform.
Maybe the City Council should pass a law and let the citizen's decide where to put our school money ourselves.
People might not talk about Hazelwood Schools on here because they don't have kids in Hazelwood Schools. Most threads about school reform haven't lasted very long.
Pointing out other bad administrators in Missouri doesn't relieve Mr. Lowery is his waste of public funds.
J-Dub-the city council has no authority over the school district budget.

The Hazelwood school district is a totally seperate entity extending from columbia bottoms on the east into bridgeton on the west.

School districts are totally seperate political entities from the municipalities. The school district elects directors at large who serve without salary. They are not elected from districts unlike the wards of a city.

The directors hire a superintendent, Chris Wright for the HSD.

You had the same confusion with the florissant valley FPD and the city of florissant.

J-Dub I'm not being sarcastic but you have to learn who is who and what is what.
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Feb 3, 2008
 
Floman wrote:
I was wondering why the people of that participate in these forums never talk about the HUGE amount of money that is wasted in the Hazelwood School District. I have just started reading these posts a short time ago and maybe that's old news that has been discussed a long time ago. But the Hazelwood School District gets over 60% of our real estate and personal property taxes and wastes it on a much grander scale than our friend Bob wastes money in Florissant.
Why doesn't anyone complain about the assistant superintendants that make over $100,000 a year to supervise things such as playground equipment?
The district just built all these middle schools eliminating the 6th grade from all of the elementary schools and they are still adding space onto the elementary schools. They lost a grade opening up classrooms that can handle an increase in enrollment.
How about Dr Chris Wright the "beloved" Superintendant having Board President Mark Behlmann build her new home?
This is where the attacks should be aimed. The school district is getting over $1500 of my money each year and I'm sure it's about the same for most of you. If Bob stopped wasting our money maybe we could get $10 a month back in utility taxes.
Two wrongs don't make a right but Chris Wright is committing a HUGE WRONG.
I guess you folks are running out of things to beat up on Florissant and the Mayor, so now it's onto the School Districts.

What's next, the Fire District?

Then, let's kick St. Louis County, and then onto the State, as well as the Federal Government.

Oh yeah, we have missed, the Metropolitan Sewer District, the Ambulance District, the Library district, and I am sure I have missed a few as well. Maybe the churches and privates schools, or maybe the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, or the Red Cross or Salvation Army. Nothing is immune.

Maybe you should just quit paying your taxes all together, afterall, none of the above is honest, none of the above provide any services, none of the above have anyone with credibility attached, so let's just beat them all up.

No one gets any credit, no one deserves a kind word, no one is any good.

I am so happy we have you group of people watching our for our best interests, as most of us simple followers are all hypnotized and follow just like sheep.

Keep it up, please keep helping us poor blind misled people to the promised land.

Before long, you will have hammered everything and everyone. Then maybe you can start feeding on your own..........
Mark J B

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Feb 3, 2008
 
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Feb 3, 2008
 
Interesting statement here: "as most of us simple followers are all hypnotized and follow just like sheep"
Mark J B

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Feb 3, 2008
 
Mark J B wrote:
I am NEW to this
this is my first time writing and figuring out how to do a blog. Apparently what I had previously written was way too long.
I will try to address some of the comments
in a series of two or three parts.
For those of you who called me this evening about this topic-thank you.
I have made it a personal policy to deliberately not come to this or other blogs for a variety of reasons. Time being one of them and emotionaly stirred up is the other. I agree that everyone deserves to voice their opinion's but I also agree that there is responsibility of consequences attached voicing opinions.
I would like to start off addressing several points/questions/rumors/percep tions/ pertaining to the Hazelwood school district=HSD.
1st.) Huge amount of money wasted? Help me in suggesting where this is? Each school building has a principal and it is included in that principals job description to create an individual building budget. That budget is reviewed by administration given to the board to review and approve. These decisions do not come from central office or the superintendent. There is NO assistant superintendent supervising playground equipment. Yes we move six graders to junior high-now called middle school to make room for ALL DAY kindergarten which we did not have in previous years, the "Hazelwood First Committee" of over 2000 residents recommended to the board to do this. Also yearly projection enrollments of students continue to increase-this data comes from many sources outside the school administration. Continue
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Feb 3, 2008
 
I apologize for being ignorant as to how to work posting comments on this forum. Unfortunately it's getting frustrating losing everything I write. I will continue some other time but I will continue, Mark
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Feb 3, 2008
 

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Mark J B wrote:
I apologize for being ignorant as to how to work posting comments on this forum. Unfortunately it's getting frustrating losing everything I write. I will continue some other time but I will continue, Mark
Mark-sometimes it just wipes out what you write for no apparent reason. I think a possible reason might be if someome else is posting at the same time, one of the posts might get wiped out.

If you built or are building a house for Chris Wright I really dont see what the big deal is.

Regardless of what is going on in the HSD you are a businessperson and you are free to build a home for whoever you want to and Chris is free to use whatever builder she wants. This is just capitalism. If you know a person you are more likely to do business with him or her.

I have issues with the HSD but they dont extend to who you build or dont build for.

You build quality, you are one of the historic families of florissant and your family has a good reputation.

When I was in 8th grade I met your cousin Doug and while he was 20 plus years older than me he spoke to me as an adult and was very nice and gracious. His loss was felt by many people.

I'm sure we would disagree about some matters in the city of florissant but unlike others I am sure you dont equate disagreement with personal enmity and paranoia.

You have made positive contributions to the community and if the current regime in flomo would listen to your frank advice, assuming you called things the way they were you might well establish yourself as a bridge between the competing camps and put yourself in a position to be elected mayor when Bob retires-if he decides to retire.
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Feb 3, 2008
 

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Mark-I know when you first ran that labor did not back you but it would seem you and labor have reached some sort of a modus vivendi.

While your family was not involved in politics until you ran for school board, your family was and is I presume very conservative and republican leaning.

Given the political realities of north county many officeholders who are not really oh shall we say enthusiastic democrats have to give lip service to the demo party if they are going to be continued in office.

The death of the two party system has not been positive for norco. The demos have been dominated by labor, particulary the north county labor and legislative club in which local 562 has the strongest voice.

The political struggle in norco is presently between the white wing of the demo party dominated by labor and U-Pac dominated by Elbert Walton.

mark-I apologize for my verbosity-enjoy the superbowl, we'll talk later.
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Feb 3, 2008
 
Mark J B wrote:
I apologize for being ignorant as to how to work posting comments on this forum. Unfortunately it's getting frustrating losing everything I write. I will continue some other time but I will continue, Mark
Mark .. You could type your comments to a Word Doc. then copy and paste it to the blog space. Then if it does not take you still have a copy to try and post again. Hope this helps as I would like to hear from you.
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Feb 3, 2008
 
My comments about school districts wasn't targeted at Hazelwood School District. But I live in Florissant and my tax dollars go to Hazelwood School District. I have no problem with the schools not being in the boundaries of Florissant.

My problem with school districts in general, is that they will have a windfall of revenue this year due to the reassessment of property taxes. How will the increase in revenue of school taxes affect the money the state of Missouri allocates for all the St. Louis area school districts?

And to deny any misappropriating or wasting funds in any school district is living in denial. Even the best run corporation has misappropriation and waste. There may not be any one large sum of monies that are wasted, they are easier to spot. It's the nickel and diming that goes on and it goes on in every business and even city government. If school districts don't engage in this practice, it's the first business that hasn't.

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