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hardhead

Saint Louis, MO

#26 Mar 4, 2013
Proccw wrote:
<quoted text>Female wardrobe does not bode well for concealed carry. I believe purse or ankle carry are not consistent or safe. I found compact a slim 9 (less than 1 inch wide). I use a REMORA clipless IWB holster 90% of the time. I choose the 9 because It fits my hand well, ammo is inexpensive , easier for me to chamber than a 45, conceals as well as a 380. I also use a flash bang (in bra) holster. I find shoulder holsters very comfortable but not compatible with my wardrobe. This may sound silly to the men, but women have issues with allways wearing a larger size pant and baggy or loose shirt. I needed a weapon and holster that would work with most of my wardrobe. I believe I have found the happy medium with the slim weapon and the clip less holster.
good for you it sounds like you have thought it out very well, i wish my wife was as proactive.

Since: Mar 10

Florissant, MO

#27 Mar 5, 2013
Thomas T wrote:
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Thanks. A lot of good stuff to think about especially the garage safety. I guess I should start researching a smaller weapon for my lady too. There's so many options and I am totally clueless at this point. Keeping the Judge though, guess it's just my machismo taking over my brain cells.
Don't make the mistake of thinking just because a weapon is smaller, it is easier to handle. Laws of physics make those small pistols (like the .380 Ruger LCP) mighty snappy, and you may be surprised how much a little more weight can absorb recoil.

As far as caliber and accuracy goes, almost no handgun outside of a magnum is going to be accurate out to 50 yards; they aren't designed to be. Handguns are designed to be used within 20 feet.

ALL handguns, except the magnums, are underpowered, and when you look at the ballistic effects on soft tissue anything from a 9mm on up will pretty much perform equally.

Semi-auto versus revolver is a never ending argument. They both have merits, and drawbacks. Most double action only revolvers do not have an external safety; they DO have a trigger pull that is about 3 days long to compensate for this. That may be a factor because in this day and age when everyone has a Glock, I have seen a lot of shooters who are dead on with a semi-auto who couldn't hit water if they were shooting through the bottom of a boat if you hand them a DAO revolver. Practice, practice, and practice some more. And, if you are not familiar with firearms, get some real training so you are not simply practicing to reinforce your self-taught bad habits.

A weapon for personal defense is a personal decision, and the number one factor that needs to be satisfied is that the person who will carry it is comfortable with it. Three hits with a .22 is a whole lot better than 8 misses with a .45.

Since: Mar 10

Florissant, MO

#28 Mar 5, 2013
hardhead wrote:
guns and ammo are getting harder to find, but i think this will stop once people stop freaking out on the goverment trying to take our guns.anyone deciding to get a ccw permit, just remember the gun is your friend and first line of defense. when the crime happens it's gonna be you and the thug while the cops will be there after the you call them. so keep your guns close by it's the beat friend you have.
I'm going to disagree with you on principle, hardhead. Your situational awareness is your first line of defense. It is always better to avoid a dangerous situation than to have survived one. Every once in a while I hear someone say they would never go "wherever", unless they had a gun. My response is always that if they can't go somewhere without a gun, they shouldn't go there at all.

I do agree that a weapon doesn't do you any good if it isn't within reach.

Since: Mar 10

Florissant, MO

#30 Mar 5, 2013
TTU wrote:
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It takes 410s also. Do you mean to use shotgun shells or some kind of pepper shell?--if so that's a new one on me.
I think he was using vernacular. In the gun world, when we spread a pattern of shot all over something from a shotgun round, we say we "peppered" it with shot.

I'm not a personal fan of shooting a .410 through a pistol barrel. Inside of 5 feet, you can knock someone out of their shoes. At 25 feet, you have lost most of your shot pattern, and it isn't nearly as effective. The snub nosed .357s are the same way. Out of a 4"+ barrel, a .357 is the Hammer of Thor. Out of a snub, the .357 actually packs less punch than a sub-compact 9mm. Handguns are about trade offs. What you gain in one category, you will almost always lose in another. You want "small" and "concealable" you will lose balistics. You want a heavy caliber, you will lose ammo capacity. You want full-capacity, and big caliber, and you will most likely be looking at a full framed weapon and will lose "concealability".

I'm not trying to imply you made a bad choice. The great thing about firearms is that there are so many good options available, there is something for everyone, and you don't have to like what I like.
hardhead

Saint Louis, MO

#31 Mar 5, 2013
i agree with all three of your posts, sounds like you have been around guns along time.i do think for a woman a revolver is most likely choice for home defense simply because you can just pick it up and pull the trigger. it's better to have and not need than to need and not have. i would never walk into a dangerous situation for no reason unless it was a life and death situation. the little snubs are good for maybe 25 or thirdy feet and that's if you practice with it. most people don't shoot their guns enough to know how to handle them. shoot it and get good with it. i would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Since: Mar 10

Florissant, MO

#33 Mar 5, 2013
Reverend Vegas wrote:
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Like I said, my wife shoots an LCP. She's 120 lbs BUT she's not afraid of her firearms. It sure has a little "snap" to it but not as bad as some other .380's I've had. My Beretta 92 Centurion is a DAO style semi and accurate as hell. I prefer to carry DAO in the car and such because of the risk of the safety being disengaged. Double taps are a breeze too...easier than you'd think.
My comment was directed more towards the OP, becuase it is a misconception I see all too often. People often mistakenly assosciate tiny guns with tiny recoil; tiny guns aften "feel" less intimidating. Unfortunately, they are very unpleasantly surprised at the "zap" and the muzzle flip when they fire those little pocket pistols for the first time. I have seen a fair amount of dimure women who channel their inner Dirty Harry very well. The OP stated he was entertaining trading off the Judge for an ultra-light. With a hot .38 round, he may be disappointed to find that ultralight even more of a handful than the .45 LC rounds from the Judge.

My statements about DAO pistols were only because everyone is used to striker fired pistols these days, and less and less people know how to accurately fire a DAO because they have never learned how to deal with the trigger pull. I don't think there is a thing wrong with DAO pistols, and there isn't any reason they can't double-tap just as well as a Glock 17, but they are different. I see a fair amount of people who aren't "old timers" or enthusiasts like myself, who don't know how to shoot them, and then blame the gun when they can't hit anything with it (even though the gun is not to blame).
perfect gun

Alton, IL

#34 Mar 5, 2013
My wife and i just went through this same issue, trying to find the right gun for her. She is a shooter, but not avid. She has fired many of my handguns, including DA revolvers, striker autos, DAO autos, SA autos, and DA/SA autos. My wife is a stout woman and manages recoil pretty well, however, her small hands make for a tough time finding the right fit. She decided on an STI Elektra in 9mm. Small 1911 officers frame made from aluminum, keeps weight down, while the custom recoil master guide rod keeps muzzle rise at bay. It also looks good with its stainless slide with blue kg gunkote color fill, and blue pearl grips. The best part is, she has two safeties, and a very reachable trigger. we noticed that with most revolvers, the trigger was too far away for her to correctly hold the pistol. She loves this thing, and it has made her want to shoot more often. I would suggest to any guys out there that want to get their lady into shooting, to give this gun a try. They arent cheap, but the quality is worth every cent. Plus, the more your lady enjoys shooting, the more you get to shoot. Its a win win.
CCW

Florissant, MO

#35 Apr 26, 2013
picked up an LC9 from a buddy a little while and finally got some rounds downrange. He bought a shield to match his full size m&p and let it go cheap.

If you're looking for an affordable carry piece this is it.
New, should be in the 320-350 range. So some holster wear, and carry rash won't hurt your feelings like beating up your $1k 1911 does.
Shot well. Not going to be winning long distance trophies, but in the 21-30 ft range even point and shoot was good. With good fundamentals, taking time and watching that front sight they were 6-8 inch max all day running fed estate 115's
With some good hornady critical defense it will definitely get the job done if some bad guy mistakes you for a victim.
We had a few of the girls there and no crying about recoil. Oddly most liked the ruger's over the bigger 9's we had out. It won the girls out on grip size and eronomics hands down.
Super light, very slim, a few safety features that I think lend themselves well suited to conceal carry.

I like my double stacks and my cannons as much as anyone, but for an EDC single stack, the little LC9 won't be leaving my side anytime soon and my Airweight get's a break.
CCW Always! No surrender!!!!!!!!!!
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#38 Apr 26, 2013
Reverend Vegas wrote:
I'm a big fan of Ruger firearms. Never owned a bad one.
i have several Rugers myself,very tuff guns and you can shoot hot loads though them. i have a couple of Colts to, but the Rugers just seem more solid. my mini 14 is alot of fun to shoot and no matter what you do you can't make it jam, matter of fact you can't make my 22 Ruger auto jam either, good guns.
MOA

Florissant, MO

#41 Apr 29, 2013
Reverend Vegas wrote:
I have the Marlin Model 60 .22lr and it's VERY picky about ammo. Jams every load with Winchester but NEVER jams with CCI or Federal. Can shoot an entire Federal 550 brick without a hiccup. I kinda wish I went with the 10/22 when I bought it for my wife.
I've got a few that don't like, say winchester in one or maybe federal in another like your marlin. But the just absolute garbage rounds I see out there aren't worth the gamble. I'll never understand why people will run cheap, foreign, junk ammo in weapons they paid serious money for.
The tula, pmc and other crap won't ever make it into one of my mags.
No steel, only brass and from a reputable mfg.
For example, I only run new Federal AE in my AR. Never had a problem and I intend to keep it that way.
Bad loads, hot loads, or a squib is bad no matter the weapon, but in the AR it can be a really bad day.
Just ask my pal who kaboomed his into about a half a dozen frags with a bad reload.
I'll only run handloads in my bolt guns, and those are meticulous, one at a time, weapon-specific tuned, cold bore - one shot wonders.:-)
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#42 Apr 30, 2013
this is excactly why i reload my own ammo, plus it's alot more accurate. the only ammo i don't reload is 223 .i only shoot quality ammo, winchester, federal or i really like horanady stuff. that's all i use in my reloading. mostly shoot cci 22's if you can find any nowdays.
omg

Florissant, MO

#44 Apr 30, 2013
Why don't you two gays get a room.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#46 Apr 30, 2013
omg wrote:
Why don't you two gays get a room.
why don't you just come on out of the closet, you are the one that keeps dreaming about the dick lickers. you must like it, you keep bringing it up. jeez, what an ass, we were trying to have an discussion on a topic some are well versed in.i guess you don't have a clue. now beat it you little girl and go back to playing with your dolls.
omg

Florissant, MO

#47 Apr 30, 2013
Sorry but you two are such a@@holes it's just too much fun.

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