Beagle

Worcester, MA

#1 Feb 22, 2012
Barring really exceptional circumstances, LE is not in the business of concealing an adult runaway's identity. If Maura took off, they are not going to waste their time on court hearings, putting her on a cold case list, etc. There's a good chance that Maura had some apparent injury and LE could not rule out its source, which I doubt was domestic. An apparent injury could easily explain both why Maura's photo from the ATM was not released and why Atwood's ID of her was relied upon by police (because it was specific enough, it went beyond just a jacket and jeans).

The Hadley police officer would never have given Maura a break simply because he took pity on her or because she was crying. In Hadley, this does not happen even in a case of shoplifting, let alone drunk driving. The liability is too high. What if she jumped into another car and killed someone? There would be a record that the officer had let her go. The officer is not going to be that stupid or irresponsible. It's not like Maura was the sister of the police chief and so the responding officer gave her a ride home.

Neuro-muscular diseases exist on a continuum. Those with Multiple Sclerosis, for example, have good days and bad days. The side-effects of drugs can also be very episodic. Maura may have been able to drive a car properly some of the time, but not all the time. Maybe her Saturn ran fine, but she or her family said otherwise in order to conceal her inability to drive well. After all, don't most athletes, especially as teens, get their permit and license asap? Why the delay?

1. Maura got her license, if the story is true, about three years after her contemporaries.

2. Maura did not drive the Saturn much, perhaps not because of some mechanical problem with the car but because of some problem with her arms and legs, with her reaction time.

3. Maura had two crashes in two days. She may have had three crashes in four days if she hit Vasi. She was not arrested for Hadley/Corolla crash, so she probably was not driving drunk.

4. Maura was probably positively identified by Atwood because of something unique about her appearance, such as an injury.

5. The ATM video was probably withheld because of something unique about Maura's appearance - probably the same thing Atwood noticed.

6. Maura could no longer run well competitively.

Put it all together and it looks more like a case of someone with some kind of disease who decided to get away. Maybe for good. Since there was no indication that she entered the woods, and very little likelihood of her having been the victim of an opportunistic abduction, then she probably was traveling with someone who was driving another vehicle. But why take two vehicles, especially if one doesn't run very well and isn't worth much?

I'm not trying to exclude other possibilities; after all, there are many to choose from. I am simply trying to point out some things that have not received much attention.
Beagle

Worcester, MA

#2 Feb 22, 2012
Massachusetts imposes a three-day waiting period on couples intending to get married.

Vermont and New Hampshire have no waiting period.

Massachusetts abolished its requirement for blood tests in 2005, about a year after Maura disappeared.

New Hamshire abolished its blood test requirement in 1981.
Beagle

Worcester, MA

#3 Feb 22, 2012
1. It's hard to say why Maura's family would allow her to get a driver's license, but if she didn't get it until she was 21, then maybe there wasn't much they could have done about it.

Purely speculation, but… I think most parents want their kids to have as close to a normal life as possible. Getting a driver's license is one of the rites of passage. My guess is that some problem may have been noticed or suspected near the end of or shortly after high school. Which doesn't mean her family would make a big fuss about it, at least not to her, so as not to unduly worry her. Maybe they noticed a little shuffle in her step at some point. A small but not too recurring a loss of balance. Nothing much, but something little. Sometimes symptoms can be mild and general, can take a while to develop, are hard to pin down.

Generally, people in the medical field are taught to not jump to conclusions until all the facts are really in. Diagnoses are often by exclusion. This can take a long time. Maura's parents may have persuaded her to forgo a license test for "just a few months, until we know you're really okay," or something like that. Maybe they sugarcoated it even more. "I don't have time right now to go out driving with you." Maybe they let her learner's permit lapse. Maybe her parents, proud of her athletic and scholastic accomplishments, were in denial a little bit. Hard to say.

In any event, when most kids are chomping at the bit to get a driver's license and go driving, Maura was not getting a license and was not driving, at least not legally.

2. She was probably accepted at WP before any problems became really apparent. Or they may have become apparent only after she matriculated. I think if my daughter had started down the road to WP I wouldn't, as a parent, try to put too many roadblocks in her way. I would want the best, the most for her. I would place a premium on hope. She was probably accepted in April and didn't enter until the following September. There may have been no reason to stop her from entering at that point, no firm diagnosis. In any event, if Maura had some kind of neuro disease, then she had no future in the military.

3. The effort put into looking for her after the Saturn crash may not have been affected by Maura's having a mild to moderate case of disease. She may have been taking medication, or not. She may have been doing some kind of alternative health thing, which is very, very popular around the Amherst/Northampton area.

But one of the reasons to keep mum about a disease is if she hit Vasi. The Vasi hit, if he was the victim of a hit-and-run, is always a financial time bomb waiting to go off, even now. Frankly, I think a lot of parents would keep their mouths shut. It's your daughter. You protect her. And for the first few days after Maura's disappearance, they probably expected her to return. So why say anything that might implicate her in a Vasi hit? After a few days or a couple of weeks have passed, then it's kind of hard to bring up the fact that she might have a disease of some kind, especially when Vasi is still on a vent in the ICU. And the Saturn is registered in your name.

Maybe Maura killed herself. Maybe she ran away with someone seeking a better life. Maybe she was the victim of a mercy killing. Maybe a lot of things. But I believe that the possibility of Maura's having had a disease, one which contributed to her disappearance, should receive a little attention by police, if it hasn't already.

Maybe it's something, maybe it's nothing, but I think it should be considered.
Beagle

Worcester, MA

#4 Feb 23, 2012
Wikipedia is not always a very reliable source of information, but here's one thing - with a citation - the Wiki article says about Tay-Sachs:

Ashkenazi Jews have a high incidence of Tay–Sachs and other lipid storage diseases. Documentation of Tay–Sachs in this Jewish population reaches back to 15th century Europe. In the United States, about 1 in 27 to 1 in 30 Ashkenazi Jews is a recessive carrier. French Canadians and the Cajun community of Louisiana have an occurrence similar to the Ashkenazi Jews.

Irish Americans have a 1 in 50 chance of being a carrier.
Beagle

Worcester, MA

#6 Feb 23, 2012
Below from a National Institute of Health website:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22250/

Tay-Sachs disease, a heritable metabolic disorder commonly associated with Ashkenazi Jews, has also been found in the French Canadians of Southeastern Quebec, the Cajuns of Southwest Louisiana, and other populations throughout the world. The severity of expression and the age at onset of Tay-Sachs varies from infantile and juvenile forms that exhibit paralysis, dementia, blindness and early death

to a chronic adult form that exhibits neuron dysfunction and psychosis.
Natalie

Louisville, KY

#7 Feb 23, 2012
Dude, you are positively incoherent, incouragable, and insane. And you make the weirdest, creepiest videos ever.

Everyone knows you are connected to her disappearance. You can't hide the truth forever. Both karma and law enforcement WILL catch up to you one day.
Max

Novi Sad, Serbia

#8 Feb 25, 2012
I believe that what your problem is, Beagle, is that you fixate too much on one possibility (all throughout Maura's case, this has been the least likely of all the possibilities) and flat-out refuse to let it go. And as you delve deeper into it and draw conclusions from your previous faulty conclusions which were based on your previous faulty premises, you would find (if you were able to use your objective eyes) that you have left the domain of Maura's case entirely and have now constructed a case of your own. It is not a bad theory, of course. It is just not based in reality and is so, so way past off-topic at this point.
I suggest you write a book. Write a crime fiction novel about a girl with all these problems and perhaps you make it as a writer. You certainly can write and your imagination seems to be pretty wild.
As for Maura's case - just let it go.
Jenkins

New York, NY

#9 Feb 25, 2012
Huh??
Since when did Maura have a disease??
Where did u get that from??
Beagle

Worcester, MA

#10 Feb 26, 2012
Someone say a dirtbag took her? Was grabbed by a dirtbag?

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Beagle

Worcester, MA

#11 Feb 26, 2012
So I get a puzzling email from Mr. Dove Bar this evening (Sunday Feb. 26, 2012).

It's written in Italian.

He writes,"Siete stati avvisati."

Which apparently translates to "You have been warned."

I guess I should consider myself warned about something.

High cholesterol?

Or something else?

Is he going to point out heart-smart food at the grocery story for me?

Or is he going to kill me by planting a car bomb?

Oh, that's right, he's been sharpening bamboo - with James Renner's encouragement.
Beagle

Worcester, MA

#12 Feb 26, 2012
Below written by "Tom;" ISP Katonah NY.

Post #10178 on Maura Murray thread Franconia Topix

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/...

"Beagle you just said a couple posts ago that you and your sister can be mistaken for each other in the dark. I admire that you would go this far for an alternative theory. And since we are on alternative theory where were you the night of Feb 9th 2004?"

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It's funny how few people get asked that question. Such an honor.

Tom wouldn't be a proxy bully for the O'Connell/Murray camp, would he?
Beagle

Worcester, MA

#13 Feb 26, 2012
Beagle wrote:
Below written by "Tom;" ISP Katonah NY.
Post #10178 on Maura Murray thread Franconia Topix
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/...
"Beagle you just said a couple posts ago that you and your sister can be mistaken for each other in the dark. I admire that you would go this far for an alternative theory. And since we are on alternative theory where were you the night of Feb 9th 2004?"

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It's funny how few people get asked that question. Such an honor.
Tom wouldn't be a proxy bully for the O'Connell/Murray camp, would he?
Kind of like being asked by the Hadely MA PI, RC Stevens, whether I killed Maura.

Funny, Stevens has emailed me four times recently. Odd tone to his emails. Wants me to contact him. Maybe he wants to ask me again if I killed Maura. And then there's Det. Columbo who's emailed me three times.

So much attention.
emknavy

Palatine, IL

#14 Feb 27, 2012
Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>
Kind of like being asked by the Hadely MA PI, RC Stevens, whether I killed Maura.
Funny, Stevens has emailed me four times recently. Odd tone to his emails. Wants me to contact him. Maybe he wants to ask me again if I killed Maura. And then there's Det. Columbo who's emailed me three times.
So much attention.
You need to let this go and move on, if you are not involved. The attention you take away from real details-through rants on this site and crazy videos on youtube- is obnoxious. Again, as said by another poster, write a book or something. If authorities keep emailing you, it is truly because you deserve it. You may not have involvement directly. However, you are inserting yourself into the investigation by posting B.S. all over.

Since: Feb 12

Topeka, KS

#17 Feb 28, 2012
Beagle, how did you get the Bretton Woods pass and why did you post a video of it?

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#18 Mar 27, 2012
Beagle,you post all this carp in the Barnet Vt forums&soon after a young teacher is murdered..Why here Beagle???ESP???FYI I think your a smart guy.
Akil

Burlington, MA

#19 Apr 24, 2012
Beagle knows the killer.

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