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The difference Between Communism and Socialism

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Cookie_Parker

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#1 Sep 16, 2008
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/commiev...

According to Marx, socialism is a stage on the way to communism, which is the more advanced stage of humyn organization not yet achieved in China or the Soviet Union, even according to Lenin, Stalin and Mao.

According to Marx, under socialism we have a dictatorship of the proletariat which is a government organized for the defense of survival "rights." Also, distribution goes by the principle "from each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her work."

Under communism, according to Marx, the government disappears and there is economic cooperation as well. The principle of distribution becomes "from each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her need."

Socialists and communists existed before Marx. Marx is the single most-respected authority and reference point, but the words "socialism" and "communism" still have various shades and applications, because of the diversity amongst those calling themselves "communist" and "socialist."

Many calling themselves socialist would like to stop with the nationalization of the means of production and not move on to communism. They also often oppose the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the name of democracy. For example, they supported the imperialist World War I, because the majorities of their countries supported it, while we Marxist-Leninists found World War I anathema to the proletariat, against survival "rights."

Since World War I, there has been a very large split between many calling themselves "socialist" and those calling themselves "communist;" however, to make matters more complicated there are socialists found who would not support World War I today and there are "communists" who would favor doing whatever the majority wants. There are also "social-democrats" who want reforms to imitate the results of socialism while keeping capitalism.

When MIM uses the terms, we use them this way: 1) "Communism"--the classless society with no state of the distant future. "Communist"--someone who wants to get to communism or the adjective for "communism." Examples include many tribal societies of the past and in remote areas still living today.
2) "Socialism" refers to that period/stage between capitalism of today and the communist goal. During that stage there is "dictatorship of the proletariat." Examples are the USSR under Lenin and Stalin or China under Mao.
3) "Social-democrats"-- whether they call themselves "socialist" or not, people opposing the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in practice and hence socialism itself. Examples would be Sweden today.
Dufus

Whitsett, NC

#2 Sep 16, 2008
Ain`t no difference, You a dam communist.

Cookie_Parker

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#3 Sep 16, 2008
Dufus wrote:
Ain`t no difference, You a dam communist.
Those aren't my values, Dufus.

I'm a democrat...first of all an American. When did republicans begin to hate Americans along with their nation?
Dufus

Whitsett, NC

#4 Sep 16, 2008
You`re publicizing your favorite in a presidential election and he is a communist, therefore you`re a freakin Communist...Anyway you want to look at it you a dam Communist...Period.

Cookie_Parker

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#5 Sep 16, 2008
Dufus wrote:
You`re publicizing your favorite in a presidential election and he is a communist, therefore you`re a freakin Communist...Anyway you want to look at it you a dam Communist...Period.
How is he a communist? He is running on the democrat ticket.

If he were a communist, he would be on their ticket. BTW, in this LAnd of the FREE and the HOME of the Brave, being a communist is not a crime....after all, Bush has us in debt for all the money he's overspent with BOTH China AND Russia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_...

The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) is a Marxist-Leninist political party in the United States.

For approximately the first half of the 20th century it was the largest and most widely influential communist party in the country, and played a defining role in the U.S. labor movement from the 1920s through the 1940s, founding most of the country's major industrial unions (which would later implement the Smith Act) and pursuing intense anti-racist activity in workplaces and city communities throughout this first part of its existence. Simultaneously the CPUSA survived the Palmer Raids, the first Red Scare, and many similar attempts at suppression of communist activity by the Government of the United States through the end of World War II. By August 1919, only months after its founding, the CPUSA had 60,000 members, including anarchists and other radical leftists, while the more moderate Socialist Party of America had only 40,000.

By the 1950s, however, the combined effects of the second Red Scare, McCarthyism, the Secret Speech, and the Cold War began to break apart the party's internal structure and confidence. U.S. Government prosecution efforts were aided by the party's membership in the Comintern because it cast the Party not only as subversive, but also as a "foreign" agent. Members who did not end up in prison for party activities tended either to disappear quietly from its ranks or to adopt more moderate political positions that were at odds with the CPUSA's party line. By 1957, membership had dwindled to less than 10,000.]

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Lerona, WV

#6 Sep 17, 2008
Communism is the people ran by the state, and that is the Democrat Philosophy, True freedom is the state ran by the people and that is the Republican Philosophy,.
If you want to see the difference in the 2 just go to Virginia and you'll see a comon wealth, and then Venture to McDowell County West Virginia and you'll see the Democrat version of the 2 Political Parties.
Anytime you tax the people and then Take what they have when they can't pay taxes, that Is communism, to the Max.
Ever since the government has been democrat ruled it's been that way.
Our property in McDowell County was taken for the taxes and sold to the Pocahontas land and the Goodman estate, they have not paid one penny taxes since. Now that My Friend Is Communism to the Highest Degree, and there is no other word for it.
Take that from one who knows.

Cookie_Parker

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#7 Sep 17, 2008
My Turn wrote:
Communism is the people ran by the state, and that is the Democrat Philosophy, True freedom is the state ran by the people and that is the Republican Philosophy,.
If you want to see the difference in the 2 just go to Virginia and you'll see a comon wealth, and then Venture to McDowell County West Virginia and you'll see the Democrat version of the 2 Political Parties.
Anytime you tax the people and then Take what they have when they can't pay taxes, that Is communism, to the Max.
Ever since the government has been democrat ruled it's been that way.
Our property in McDowell County was taken for the taxes and sold to the Pocahontas land and the Goodman estate, they have not paid one penny taxes since. Now that My Friend Is Communism to the Highest Degree, and there is no other word for it.
Take that from one who knows.
No, that's fascism, as in Bush. He now has a law which states if a corporation wants your property, they get it. Emminent Domain. And they borrow money from foreign governments to give them cash and put the tab on the workers. That's an oligarchy; government of, for and by the rich.

Democracy has a majority rule. The democrat party thinks even the minority should be heard in this nation...i.e., don't tax the working man to pay for the failures of the rich as Bush and the republicans have been doing.

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Since: Mar 08

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#8 Sep 17, 2008
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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No, that's fascism, as in Bush. He now has a law which states if a corporation wants your property, they get it. Emminent Domain. And they borrow money from foreign governments to give them cash and put the tab on the workers. That's an oligarchy; government of, for and by the rich.
Democracy has a majority rule. The democrat party thinks even the minority should be heard in this nation...i.e., don't tax the working man to pay for the failures of the rich as Bush and the republicans have been doing.
Is that why the democrats want to do away with the secret ballot on unionizing?
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Oakvale, WV

#13 Sep 17, 2008
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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No, that's fascism, as in Bush. He now has a law which states if a corporation wants your property, they get it. Emminent Domain. And they borrow money from foreign governments to give them cash and put the tab on the workers. That's an oligarchy; government of, for and by the rich.
Democracy has a majority rule. The democrat party thinks even the minority should be heard in this nation...i.e., don't tax the working man to pay for the failures of the rich as Bush and the republicans have been doing.
Cookie those are not politicians we have in Washington DC those are nothing but the new world order in action. no democrat and no republican.
What I stated was the Doctrine of the Two Parties, you can get it's history at any Library.
The reason we are a free country is because of the two parties. Take away the republican and you have communist, take away Democrat and you have total freedom according to the party Doctrine. The biggest raises in interest rates are brought on by the Democrats and the biggest mistake ever made was to put one person in charge of raising the Interest rates. Greenspan had too much power, he is the real reason we are in Deep $h!t right now. Take my word for it.
Communist will buy you and then sell you out. Ask the old timers in McDowell County,. They all used to be Republicans, and they turned to Democrat to get the free handouts and the state road jobs created by John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
He was going to do away with the federal reserve, but he didn't live long enough , and so was his Brother Bobby.
Any democrat that tries to change the Doctrine just don't live too long lolol.

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#14 Sep 17, 2008
My Turn wrote:
<quoted text> Greenspan had too much power, he is the real reason we are in Deep $h!t right now. Take my word for it.
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She's been told that before but she can't comprehend it.
Lit cuz Bush

Orlando, FL

#15 Sep 17, 2008
My Turn wrote:
<quoted text>Cookie those are not politicians we have in Washington DC those are nothing but the new world order in action. no democrat and no republican.
What I stated was the Doctrine of the Two Parties, you can get it's history at any Library.
The reason we are a free country is because of the two parties. Take away the republican and you have communist, take away Democrat and you have total freedom according to the party Doctrine. The biggest raises in interest rates are brought on by the Democrats and the biggest mistake ever made was to put one person in charge of raising the Interest rates. Greenspan had too much power, he is the real reason we are in Deep $h!t right now. Take my word for it.
Communist will buy you and then sell you out. Ask the old timers in McDowell County,. They all used to be Republicans, and they turned to Democrat to get the free handouts and the state road jobs created by John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
He was going to do away with the federal reserve, but he didn't live long enough , and so was his Brother Bobby.
Any democrat that tries to change the Doctrine just don't live too long lolol.
Agree Greenspan is a major reason for the crash we are in now. You need a lesson in what communism is other than what you think it is. You state “The Republican Philosophy” if for true freedom. They are not the same party that “Ronald Reagan” once was a part of. They have changed and closer resemble a fascist party, then what Ronald Reagan was a part of.

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#16 Sep 17, 2008
Lit cuz Bush wrote:
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Agree Greenspan is a major reason for the crash we are in now. You need a lesson in what communism is other than what you think it is. You state “The Republican Philosophy” if for true freedom. They are not the same party that “Ronald Reagan” once was a part of. They have changed and closer resemble a fascist party, then what Ronald Reagan was a part of.
Agree on Greenspan. However, as a member of the republican party, I disagree that they are more of a fascist party. If, however, I am wrong, I hate to think what the democratic party has become.
Dufus
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#17 Sep 18, 2008
Lit cuz Bush wrote:
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Agree Greenspan is a major reason for the crash we are in now. You need a lesson in what communism is other than what you think it is. You state “The Republican Philosophy” if for true freedom. They are not the same party that “Ronald Reagan” once was a part of. They have changed and closer resemble a fascist party, then what Ronald Reagan was a part of.
Hey you ignorant piece of $hit, its for dam sure you don`t know what Communism is, simply because you`re a freakin communist and you say you don`t like communist...Thats funniern shit....Wake your dumba$$ up...If you vote for a Democrat then you`re a freakin Communist..Simple as that..
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Lerona, WV

#18 Sep 18, 2008
Lit cuz Bush wrote:
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Agree Greenspan is a major reason for the crash we are in now. You need a lesson in what communism is other than what you think it is. You state “The Republican Philosophy” if for true freedom. They are not the same party that “Ronald Reagan” once was a part of. They have changed and closer resemble a fascist party, then what Ronald Reagan was a part of.
I done said all of em are working anf flying the same Bird right wing or left wing,. They are only letting us vote to keep us happy heck the vote dont count anyway. When congress gave us 2 brain dead candidates to vote for you can begain to see their mind set.
Now first thing we need is a new congress and a new senate. Then we can go from there..
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Lerona, WV

#19 Sep 18, 2008
Former McDowell Resident wrote:
<quoted text> She's been told that before but she can't comprehend it.
Typical demmie crat LMBO.
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Lerona, WV

#20 Sep 18, 2008
Heres the real problem and this man tells it like it is and he is 100% right ,,
http://infowars.net/articles/September2008/18...

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#21 Sep 18, 2008
My Turn wrote:
<quoted text>I done said all of em are working anf flying the same Bird right wing or left wing,. They are only letting us vote to keep us happy heck the vote dont count anyway. When congress gave us 2 brain dead candidates to vote for you can begain to see their mind set.
Now first thing we need is a new congress and a new senate. Then we can go from there..
You're mostly right, IMHO. I think we need Obama..he's something new. We sure can't do anymore of the same thing we've been doing the last 8 years...

but it is important to get rid of the lifetime status we seem to give our senators and congressmen. I am all for the younger person in office..they represent the future of this nation..we need to get the old farts out.

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Since: Dec 06

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#22 Sep 18, 2008
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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No, that's fascism, as in Bush. He now has a law which states if a corporation wants your property, they get it. Emminent Domain. And they borrow money from foreign governments to give them cash and put the tab on the workers. That's an oligarchy; government of, for and by the rich.
Democracy has a majority rule. The democrat party thinks even the minority should be heard in this nation...i.e., don't tax the working man to pay for the failures of the rich as Bush and the republicans have been doing.
Oh boy - you need to go back and learn the origins of facism.

Cookie_Parker

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#23 Sep 18, 2008
Joseph Tyson wrote:
<quoted text>Oh boy - you need to go back and learn the origins of facism.
Origins of fascism?

Why would I need that when we have its fruit right here?

I am open to any comments which will teach me something. Please, let me know where I am wrong and let me see your version of what fascism is and how Bush is not a fascist.

“Wait til next year”

Since: Dec 06

Brooklyn NY USA

#24 Sep 19, 2008
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Origins of fascism?
Why would I need that when we have its fruit right here?
I am open to any comments which will teach me something. Please, let me know where I am wrong and let me see your version of what fascism is and how Bush is not a fascist.
Hahaha. You types are precious.
Ever heard of Woodrow Wilson?

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