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Nov 19, 2011
 
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My post was in no way meant to be an attack on you, Welch, or McDowell County. It was an offer of assistance.
Sure unemployment is high here- about 9.2% in Mecklenburg County, NC. I'm not sure what bearing that has on my question.
As much as you try to rationalize it by comparing to other areas, there is no arguing that McDowell is in bad shape. The US Census Bureau says McDowell has the 28th lowest per capita income in the country. Additionally, it is considered the 8th poorest country in the US. Those are cold, hard, verifiable facts. It is no wonder that people are depressed.
The thing about poverty, is that it is a vicious cycle. Children raised in poor homes tend to learn to survive on the least that they can. They grow up, and have children, who continue to perpetuate the cycle. This is in no way their fault.
I dont agree with drug use. Never have. But, when you suffer the severe depression that some chronically poor people suffer from, you seek any available relief.
I am also not keen on government programs. They do tend to make people dependent, rather than enabling them to become productive. I feel, it is the job of the churches to care for the needy and down trodden. However, in the absence of those resources, people have to take what is available.
Walmart is not the solution to all the ails McDowell. Minimum wage, part time jobs have not fixed problems anywhere; they won't in McDowell either.
McDowell does have something going for them that many places dont. The trails available in the area are some of the best in the country! If the people of McDowell can figure out how to harness this resource, it could certainly impact the future. Tourism can make a huge difference in an economy.
Another plus (although many see it is a negative) is the number of empty buildings. What some see as eyesores, I see as advantages. With the right grant, I could picture some of those old buildings being refurbished in to sanctuaries for ATV enthusiasts. It is certainly easier to retrofit an existing structure in to a motel than it is to construct from scratch.
The long and short is, McDowell seems to be an amazing place, certainly worth some attention. Since my visit, I have thought a lot about McDowell. As I said in my first post, I am not interested in belittling or condemning McDowell; I'm interested in being a blessing to as many people as I can. I hope that gives you a better idea of my interests and intent.
Very good post and you are so right, come and get us started with your ideals.God bless

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MTNGAL, Hoagie and Sundog. shout out for good posts.

Education is the only way things down there will improve. If there was some way to light a fire under the youth and help them understand that.

I grew up there and it is a shell of it's former self. There are some wonderful people there. There are also some not so wonderful and yes depression is rampant. Which is understandable considering lack of hope and depression go hand in hand.

Most of the people I went to school with are no longer there, only a few I can think of and some of them moved to Princeton and Beckley.

I have stopped in quite a few places up and down Florida. I have not seen a tent City. I live near Ft lauderdale and I move about all around down here in that area. I see nice cars, expensive homes, and lots of activity. Lots of things to do, which means someone has the money to do them, or they would not be happening. Lovely clean beaches. So not sure what that poster is talking about. I have heard a lot about Ft Myers and in none of those conversations were tent Cities mentioned.
With that said, there are lower income areas all over this country. Hileah, near Miama is famous for being a very very bad area.

But when I enter McDowell Co I could easily get depressed as well. Ride up and down some of the hollers and people are living in what look to be shacks that have long since served their purpose and need to be torn down. When I stopped in for gas and a few things in Welch and in Roderfield, there were people standing outside begging for money at both places.

I feel sorry for the ones that have lost hope and wish I could help them, but then it comes time to go back to my own home and life. Leaving there young saved me. Literally saved me. No doubt in that. At the same time there are still some nice areas there as well and once you get out of McDowell it gets a little better. The fact is that if there is no money moving around or little money, it is hard to get things moving again. The roads are a hinderance. My parents had home nurses that would come one time and quit because of the coal trucks on the roads. The roads need fixed above all else. And a nice place to stay in town would be good. There was a great restaurant and it is now closed down. DB's.

So unfortunately for me since the parents are not in McDowell any longer, I have no need to go there, and there is nothing I can think of in Welch to draw me in. Which means I will no longer be able to spend money there.

Drawing people in is big. If no one travels through, you don't make those sales to travelers. So something is needed to bring people in.

Asco has gotten so bad that the last few years my parents lived there, they slept with a gun beside their bed . Once it started getting dark , dad would put a gun on the table beside him. Someone did break in once while they were gone, and tried again with them home. That's when they started with keeping the gun around at all times. I can't live like that,in fear always, and we wonder why some people are depressed. No wonder. I dont'even have a gun in my house.

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Crooked Halo wrote:
MTNGAL, Hoagie and Sundog. shout out for good posts.
Education is the only way things down there will improve. If there was some way to light a fire under the youth and help them understand that.
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I can't live like that,in fear always, and we wonder why some people are depressed. No wonder. I don't even have a gun in my house.
Crooked Halo, I definitely see what you see, but I guess I'm the eternal optimist, hoping the light bulb will get turned on for a whole group of people in McDowell County: from the School Board to the politicians to the tourism commissions to anyone else along the way. We can get in a rut and never come out, or we can at least err on the side of having hope and being positive with the options.

It's going to take many things to come together. It's not about coal or drugs or Union/non-Union or lack of employment. It's about changing the hope and attitudes and showing the positive options to the next generation. And if the next generation chooses to slide down the drug-laden slope, then there will be someone who will see the beauty and potential of McDowell County to take their place. I'm convinced there is a goldmine there that's richer than the coalmines.

In regards to carrying a gun, I carry one at all times. I would never think to go to FL without it either. Just a sign of the times perhaps, but I don't look at it as a weapon of fear. I look at it as being proactive and ahead of game. It frees me to be me.

Your observations were genuine, even if some of us choose to view the future options instead of the present state. Like you, I wish there were more tourist/shopping options there.

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..... I'm interested in being a blessing to as many people as I can. I hope that gives you a better idea of my interests and intent.
Hoagie58, thank you for your comments. I wish it was an easy fix, but we all have many thoughts on what to do to assist McDowell. Thank you for realizing how beautiful it is and how you enjoy riding here. It is one of the most beautiful places on earth. Nothing matches its steep mountains. Around every curve is a different view of God's creation. I look forward to the day when others will desire to enjoy the views. Thank you for your interest, and your intent.:)

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Nov 19, 2011
 
Outstanding posts, everyone.
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Because I don't care how fast you run you can't get away from fat and ugly.

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Because I don't care how fast you run you can't get away from fat and ugly.


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Get rid of every coal owned politician and we might see a different attitude developing in McDowell.
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I didn't say get rid of coal. We will always need and use coal. Just give some competition to the coal companies. Diversify. But the coal kings own McDowell and always will and always have.
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Nov 20, 2011
 
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My post was in no way meant to be an attack on you, Welch, or McDowell County. It was an offer of assistance.
Sure unemployment is high here- about 9.2% in Mecklenburg County, NC. I'm not sure what bearing that has on my question.
As much as you try to rationalize it by comparing to other areas, there is no arguing that McDowell is in bad shape. The US Census Bureau says McDowell has the 28th lowest per capita income in the country. Additionally, it is considered the 8th poorest country in the US. Those are cold, hard, verifiable facts. It is no wonder that people are depressed.
The thing about poverty, is that it is a vicious cycle. Children raised in poor homes tend to learn to survive on the least that they can. They grow up, and have children, who continue to perpetuate the cycle. This is in no way their fault.
I dont agree with drug use. Never have. But, when you suffer the severe depression that some chronically poor people suffer from, you seek any available relief.
I am also not keen on government programs. They do tend to make people dependent, rather than enabling them to become productive. I feel, it is the job of the churches to care for the needy and down trodden. However, in the absence of those resources, people have to take what is available.
Walmart is not the solution to all the ails McDowell. Minimum wage, part time jobs have not fixed problems anywhere; they won't in McDowell either.
McDowell does have something going for them that many places dont. The trails available in the area are some of the best in the country! If the people of McDowell can figure out how to harness this resource, it could certainly impact the future. Tourism can make a huge difference in an economy.
Another plus (although many see it is a negative) is the number of empty buildings. What some see as eyesores, I see as advantages. With the right grant, I could picture some of those old buildings being refurbished in to sanctuaries for ATV enthusiasts. It is certainly easier to retrofit an existing structure in to a motel than it is to construct from scratch.
The long and short is, McDowell seems to be an amazing place, certainly worth some attention. Since my visit, I have thought a lot about McDowell. As I said in my first post, I am not interested in belittling or condemning McDowell; I'm interested in being a blessing to as many people as I can. I hope that gives you a better idea of my interests and intent.
I see you like to type. NO need to write a book.
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Not just here wrote:
<quoted text>I see you like to type. NO need to write a book.
I am SO sorry! I guess I missed the part in the TOS that said you were in charge of determining the appropriate length of posts.

One thing about chronic depression, is the overwhelming need to have a persistently negative outlook on oneself and others. If attacking the thoughts and ideas of those who have a genuine interest in helping the people of McDowell is what helps you sleep at night, then so be it. Just bear in mind that I can just as easily take my ideas elsewhere.

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Hoagie58 wrote:
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I am SO sorry! I guess I missed the part in the TOS that said you were in charge of determining the appropriate length of posts.
One thing about chronic depression, is the overwhelming need to have a persistently negative outlook on oneself and others. If attacking the thoughts and ideas of those who have a genuine interest in helping the people of McDowell is what helps you sleep at night, then so be it. Just bear in mind that I can just as easily take my ideas elsewhere.
You made an outstanding post, Hoagie58. If people don't want to read something that is too lengthy for them to comprehend then so be it. You did nothing wrong on your part, just contribute an idea to a new start of a county.
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Nov 20, 2011
 
Chump's, that's most of what's down there! I`d like to type like you all do, i'd really let em have it!

You can't set around & wait on something/someone to come rescue you in life.You/me gotta make it happen!!!

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Nov 20, 2011
 
Wondering wrote:
Get rid of every coal owned politician and we might see a different attitude developing in McDowell.
If you did that you would have everyone on welfare.
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Nov 20, 2011
 
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If a group of outsiders wanted to come in, and try to help out in McDowell, what would the biggest needs be?
Jobs Jobs Jobs, my family had to leave here over 20 years ago to find decent jobs. the only jobs that pay decent wages here are coal & BOE jobs. The people DON"T need handouts, that has made them lazy. Another thing, I work everyday and still find it hard to make ends meet, the working people need help too. Working peoplr are trying to help themselves but the free help always goes to the ones that won't hit a lick at a fly.

The elderly are also suffering here in this county. I go by some homes and think that they are abandoned when in fact they are not. The elderly are not able physically or financially to keep their yards up. That is unsafe for them. I can imagine the inside of their homes are need of repair also. There are a lot that need help that are trying but the help goes to the ones that stand with their hands out.. We that work don't have time to take time out to sign up, stand in line and then still be rejected.

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Hoagie58 wrote:
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I am SO sorry! I guess I missed the part in the TOS that said you were in charge of determining the appropriate length of posts.
One thing about chronic depression, is the overwhelming need to have a persistently negative outlook on oneself and others. If attacking the thoughts and ideas of those who have a genuine interest in helping the people of McDowell is what helps you sleep at night, then so be it. Just bear in mind that I can just as easily take my ideas elsewhere.
Hoagie58,
Write all you want, anytime you want! I enjoy hearing what you have to say. Thank you for posting. You are a breath of fresh air and I would love to sit around the table with you and make plans for those who WANT change in McDowell Co. For every one person who is mean-spirited, there are a hundred of us who aren't.

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I am SO sorry! I guess I missed the part in the TOS that said you were in charge of determining the appropriate length of posts.
One thing about chronic depression, is the overwhelming need to have a persistently negative outlook on oneself and others. If attacking the thoughts and ideas of those who have a genuine interest in helping the people of McDowell is what helps you sleep at night, then so be it. Just bear in mind that I can just as easily take my ideas elsewhere.
Your thoughts on chronic depression are dead on. The phrase "they know not what they do" comes to mind.
Your post was good and interesting and more people should be so kind.
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Hoagie58 wrote:
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I am SO sorry! I guess I missed the part in the TOS that said you were in charge of determining the appropriate length of posts.
One thing about chronic depression, is the overwhelming need to have a persistently negative outlook on oneself and others. If attacking the thoughts and ideas of those who have a genuine interest in helping the people of McDowell is what helps you sleep at night, then so be it. Just bear in mind that I can just as easily take my ideas elsewhere.
You should be sorry. And it's not posts. It's length of text.

And you need to keep your ideas Down-South. The State of N.C. has just about the same percentage of Un-employment.
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Not just here wrote:
<quoted text>You should be sorry. And it's not posts. It's length of text.
And you need to keep your ideas Down-South. The State of N.C. has just about the same percentage of Un-employment.
You should consider yourself lucky. You see, the old, sarcastic me would have let you have it. However, the new, kinder me isn't like that. Instead, I will thoughtfully ponder the reasons for your hostility and anger.

As I said in a previous post, yes, things are bad in NC; fact is, things are bad everywhere. The difference is, in Charlotte there are agencies to help people. There are Fortune 500 companies providing relief. There are tens of thousands of faith based workers making sure people aren't going without. As the economy improves, so will the amount of unmet needs here. Can the same be said for McDowell?

In talking with the people of McDowell, both on here, and by email, the response to my ideas has been overwhelmingly positive. I sure can't change the world, but if I can make it a better place, for even one person, then I have accomplished something. As long as the feedback I receive remains generally positive, I am going to continue to make and revise my plans. I refuse to allow some cranky, old Keyboard Commando to dissuade me from making this an overall positive experience. I hope you have a GREAT and happy day! Happy Thanksgiving!

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You should consider yourself lucky. You see, the old, sarcastic me would have let you have it. However, the new, kinder me isn't like that. Instead, I will thoughtfully ponder the reasons for your hostility and anger.
As I said in a previous post, yes, things are bad in NC; fact is, things are bad everywhere. The difference is, in Charlotte there are agencies to help people. There are Fortune 500 companies providing relief. There are tens of thousands of faith based workers making sure people aren't going without. As the economy improves, so will the amount of unmet needs here. Can the same be said for McDowell?
In talking with the people of McDowell, both on here, and by email, the response to my ideas has been overwhelmingly positive. I sure can't change the world, but if I can make it a better place, for even one person, then I have accomplished something. As long as the feedback I receive remains generally positive, I am going to continue to make and revise my plans. I refuse to allow some cranky, old Keyboard Commando to dissuade me from making this an overall positive experience. I hope you have a GREAT and happy day! Happy Thanksgiving!
Outstanding post.

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