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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Really

Maineville, OH

#25536 Jul 3, 2013
Dayton Daily News headline, not mine. As far as what the controversy is...read a little, learn a lot.

Realy..
Really

Dayton, OH

#25537 Jul 3, 2013
Uno Voter wrote:
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As for me and my household of voters, we just don't agree with your opinion of our BOE president. We love Kelly! And it is our opinion that we will see Mrs. Kohls re-elected as school board representative. Those of us who remember the way things were in our school district before Mrs. Kohls came on board in January 2010, will remember in November the good news that children first budgeting works; and re-electing Mrs. Kohls is a vote for continued success in our schools and community.
That's why she will not get reelected because she only has uno voter + one herself. Uno you must be her husband.
Out of Towner

Cincinnati, OH

#25538 Jul 4, 2013
Looks like "Big Red" is hitting the skids. Just a matter of time for her. Big egos always take a big fall. They can't help themselves.
cowboy

Dayton, OH

#25539 Jul 4, 2013
Really wrote:
Dayton Daily News headline, not mine. As far as what the controversy is...read a little, learn a lot.
Realy..
learn from the DDN?...LOL..
Waste Watchers

Piqua, OH

#25540 Jul 4, 2013
Really wrote:
Dayton Daily News headline, not mine. As far as what the controversy is...read a little, learn a lot.
Realy..
...there you go again! You are so silly, Really!

Not a chance that educated voters in Springboro are going to "read a little Budd in the DDN and learn a lot!" Why waste your time and money? Smart voters for responsible spending should always just say NO to the DDN indoctrination of Larry Budd who is
telling us HOW to think critically of our BOE president, based on his one-sided OEA war of words against Springboro taxpayers.... Isn't the real controversy of real importance to all Springboro taxpayers,(both union and non-union thinkers)these employment contract negotiations between the Board of Education and the Springboro Education Association? Why are school leaders not posting updates on the school website, since last time in April?
Where's the transparency, SEA...? Inquiring minds want to know what the latest offer on the table looks like in new demands of the SEA against our children first and taxed enough already Springboro taxpayers.
Down Home in Boro

Piqua, OH

#25541 Jul 4, 2013
Out of Towner wrote:
Looks like "Big Red" is hitting the skids. Just a matter of time for her. Big egos always take a big fall. They can't help themselves.
Sure hope our has been a high school principal takes the advice of out of towner,'cause down home in Boro, smart voters will be campaigning mightily against Ron Malone's big "bully in chief" ego! Best wishes to Mr. Malone, who is now happily and successfully retired, and "has been a high school principal" applauded and lauded by praise and worship celebration of himself as the beloved education god, without whom our students cannot thrive in their education without "a nod from the education god" with a business as usual smile and a status quo "have a good day." (for a fair and balanced approach to malone's have a good day, you may choose lol or ugh.. after critically thinking of both sides of the lol or ugh).
Based on the Malone interview in Springboro Life, it appears that
Ron's ego just want allow him to exit with dignity, as his 41 years of professional success has certainly afforded him to do.
Ron readily admits that "the times they are a changing" from the way education was back in 2000 when he arrived; even so, he clearly hints that he would like to reverse our new 21st century philosophy of children first with out school tax dollars, because Mr. Malone says "there needs to be a re-emphasis on the value of the educator...the community is supportive...I'm interested in continuing to work in education. We'll see what happens."
Indeed the community will see what happens to Mr. Malone's
Big Ego that thinks all it takes is the name recognition of
"has been a high school principal" to rally vote for revenge
and "take back power for the union to gain control of our school tax dollars and our children's 21st century classroom education.
Down Home in Boro

Piqua, OH

#25542 Jul 4, 2013
Out of Towner wrote:
Looks like "Big Red" is hitting the skids. Just a matter of time for her. Big egos always take a big fall. They can't help themselves.
"Help Us Help You Help Others Help Themselves to Spread The Word Down Home In Boro That The Time Has Now Come For Ron and Sherri Malone To Invest Themselves in Our Good Neighboro Policy, and Enjoy Being With the Kiddies Through Volunteer Services, And Off the Taxpayers Backs.
Really

Maineville, OH

#25543 Jul 4, 2013
cowboy wrote:
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learn from the DDN?...LOL..
Kind of like learning from reading topix.....

Really...
Really

Maineville, OH

#25544 Jul 4, 2013
Waste Watchers wrote:
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...there you go again! You are so silly, Really!
Not a chance that educated voters in Springboro are going to "read a little Budd in the DDN and learn a lot!" Why waste your time and money? Smart voters for responsible spending should always just say NO to the DDN indoctrination of Larry Budd who is
telling us HOW to think critically of our BOE president, based on his one-sided OEA war of words against Springboro taxpayers.... Isn't the real controversy of real importance to all Springboro taxpayers,(both union and non-union thinkers)these employment contract negotiations between the Board of Education and the Springboro Education Association? Why are school leaders not posting updates on the school website, since last time in April?
Where's the transparency, SEA...? Inquiring minds want to know what the latest offer on the table looks like in new demands of the SEA against our children first and taxed enough already Springboro taxpayers.
They are not putting updates because they want them to strike. Nothing like cutting salaries by letting a strike happen. Just remember, you get what you pay for....

It should be clear to all that the BOE was never about Children First...Christians First is more like it.

Really...
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25545 Jul 4, 2013
Really wrote:
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Kind of like learning from reading topix.....
Really...
My post at least contain the attribution and annotation so that one can check the sources of the material.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25546 Jul 4, 2013
Really wrote:
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They are not putting updates because they want them to strike. Nothing like cutting salaries by letting a strike happen. Just remember, you get what you pay for....
It should be clear to all that the BOE was never about Children First...Christians First is more like it.
Really...
Now aren't we passing on innuendo as fact, slander as candor, and idiocracy as wisdom?

Can you please back up your statement that people's salaries are being cut? Whose for instance?

When a strike does occur it will be because the Ohio Education Association is attempting to play politics with your children's education and our teacher's livelihoods.

It is the OEA fervent desire that the current BOE fail so that they can return the finances of the district back to the shadows where the OEA operates most efficiently.

Transparency in our dealings is what keeps us from making mistakes and wasting time. 10,000 sets of eyes watching things most certainly helps keep us on track.

Ask Mr. Rigano if Afsoon's diatribe was not really a godsend. Had she not done some due diligence on behalf of us all, this could have ended badly despite everyone's best intentions.

Mr. Rigano's heart may have been in the correct place but the venue was certainly not. If Mr. Rigano would have promoted this program in the shadows, rather than in the sunshine, we would all have the piper to pay.

Transparency works for everyone and helps keep us from missing the points others see and bring to our collective attention.
Consumers drive change

Cleveland, OH

#25547 Jul 4, 2013
For decades, detergent makers have enjoyed bloated demand thanks to consumers dosing their loads of laundry with excessive amounts of soap.

In the past few years, however, producers began selling pre-measured “pods” or capsules of detergent. Consumers love them, and perhaps not surprisingly, the success of these products has led to a marked decline in laundry soap sales. According to The Wall Street Journal, sales in dollar terms are down 5.1 percent from just three years ago.

Pre-measured pods have shrunk overall laundry detergent sales by more than 5 percent.

Industry stalwarts are crying foul, even attacking the very nature of innovation. The Journal quotes James Craigie, CEO of Church & Dwight Co.(makers of the Arm & Hammer, OxiClean, and Xtra brands, among others), complaining about this trend at a recent industry conference. Instead of embracing these detergent pods as the superior consumer products that they are, Craigie, whose company also makes pod-style detergent products, went full-on RIAA and blamed the very notion of innovation—albeit with a curious definition.

“New products ought to expand the revenue pie for manufacturers and retailers, not shrink it," he said. "That is what innovation always did in the past.

“What kind of a new product is good when it's hurting the total category?" Craigie added.

Boo hoo. Would you like some cheese with that whine, Mr. Craigie? Listen closely: You’re doing it wrong. Innovation is not some industry-defined growth strategy in the service of shareholders—it’s a consumer-driven imperative in the service of making better products.

For what it's worth, P&G (makers of Tide Pods) controls about 75 percent of the pod-detergent market, and expects sales of their unit-dose products to rise to $500 million this fiscal year, the WSJ reports.

The whole debate reeks of the hubris surrounding the recording industry’s spiteful attempts to stem the tide of MP3 downloading in the early 2000s. Record companies enjoyed decades of a consistent, familiar business strategy that was largely devoid of major innovation—that is, until file-sharing forced it upon them. Instead of embracing the future, which has and always will be consumer-driven, they targeted the consumers, fined them, penalized them, and preempted a host of new-market opportunities that iTunes, Pandora, and Spotify would later scoop up.

Consumers—not shareholders—want better, more innovative products, and good brands will supply them. That’s how it’s always been. Even I know that, and I was an English major.

Teaching is about to undergo the same metamorphosis. Some teachers are already embracing the future by letting the internet teach their classes while they perform more important duties.

Cost containment and consumer demand will force these changes whether the union likes them or not.
Dollars and Sense

Piqua, OH

#25548 Jul 4, 2013
Really wrote:
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They are not putting updates because they want them to strike. Nothing like cutting salaries by letting a strike happen. Just remember, you get what you pay for....
It should be clear to all that the BOE was never about Children First...Christians First is more like it.
Really...
Indeed a fair day's pay for a fair days' work is getting what you pay for. It makes sense that we need to hold the line on salaries, allowing the teachers to put their money where their mouth is, dust off those old 20th century resumes, put on those boots made for walking and say bye bye to boro and let the brain drain begin. Our school board and school district leaders have proven they have the common sense to use our tax dollars wisely, and there's plenty of teachers willing to come to our great schools! Our SEA needs to recognize that life is not a bowl of cherries for union picking; life is just a few lemons handed out and each of us gets to choose whether or not we will use "life's lemons" to make lemonade, and whether or not we work to sweeten it a little, or we can just do nothing with life's lemons and end up all sour and surly -- kinda like those old mean spirited school union employess in Springboro.
Will the teachers' strike? Time to bring it on! Just don't leave boro without taking your pride along! G-O- P-A-N-T-H-E-R-S!
Really

Maineville, OH

#25549 Jul 4, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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Now aren't we passing on innuendo as fact, slander as candor, and idiocracy as wisdom?
Can you please back up your statement that people's salaries are being cut? Whose for instance?
When a strike does occur it will be because the Ohio Education Association is attempting to play politics with your children's education and our teacher's livelihoods.
It is the OEA fervent desire that the current BOE fail so that they can return the finances of the district back to the shadows where the OEA operates most efficiently.
Transparency in our dealings is what keeps us from making mistakes and wasting time. 10,000 sets of eyes watching things most certainly helps keep us on track.
Ask Mr. Rigano if Afsoon's diatribe was not really a godsend. Had she not done some due diligence on behalf of us all, this could have ended badly despite everyone's best intentions.
Mr. Rigano's heart may have been in the correct place but the venue was certainly not. If Mr. Rigano would have promoted this program in the shadows, rather than in the sunshine, we would all have the piper to pay.
Transparency works for everyone and helps keep us from missing the points others see and bring to our collective attention.
Lay off the current teachers and hire replacements for less money. That is EXACTLY what they are planning on doing. Look at how much time they spend discussing all of this and all the while doing it on OUR DIME. If they are so worried about big government then maybe they should refuse their payment for being on the board....

Really...
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25550 Jul 5, 2013
Really wrote:
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Lay off the current teachers and hire replacements for less money. That is EXACTLY what they are planning on doing. Look at how much time they spend discussing all of this and all the while doing it on OUR DIME. If they are so worried about big government then maybe they should refuse their payment for being on the board....
Really...
I don't think you can do that.

If, however, the teachers threaten to strike it is incumbent upon administration to have a backup plan.

Are you trying to say the community should not have a back up plan in the event the Ohio Education Association determines its needs are greater than those of our children?

I really don't see how the board members refusing their $125 -$250 per month stipend will aid us in any substantive way.(It is less than Mr. Malone spends currying favor with donuts while spending other people's money.)

The teacher's, on the other hand, take $4500 -$9200 per month each for their 8.5 month contribution.

330 plus teachers vs 5 BOE members?

Really.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25551 Jul 5, 2013
Dollars and Sense wrote:
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Indeed a fair day's pay for a fair days' work is getting what you pay for.
What does "fair" mean in economic terms, can you give me a number?

"Fair" to one person may be grossly "unfair" to another.

And who decides what is "fair"?

"Fair" sure sounds great and makes a super sound bite, but what does it mean?

It seems as though this is a nebulous and moving target that can never quite be pinned down.
Budget first education

Piqua, OH

#25552 Jul 5, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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What does "fair" mean in economic terms, can you give me a number?
"Fair" to one person may be grossly "unfair" to another.
And who decides what is "fair"?
"Fair" sure sounds great and makes a super sound bite, but what does it mean?
It seems as though this is a nebulous and moving target that can never quite be pinned down.
We agree, what is fair? Although it appears our district is defining what is fair based on what the five board members agree to give, is that fair?
Special Election

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#25553 Jul 5, 2013
Budget first education wrote:
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We agree, what is fair? Although it appears our district is defining what is fair based on what the five board members agree to give, is that fair?
Let's have a vote for raises for our staff. A special election defining the raise and how much our taxes will go up to support that increase in spending. That may be telling and it would be fair.
Springboro Taxpayer

Piqua, OH

#25554 Jul 5, 2013
Budget first education wrote:
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We agree, what is fair? Although it appears our district is defining what is fair based on what the five board members agree to give, is that fair?
A house divided against itself cannot stand.-Abraham Lincoln
Neither can a School House divided against itself stand.
Our Springboro Education Association teachers now have declared war against Springboro Taxpayers and our BOE elected officials.
Yes, I believe what the five board members agree to give is fair, because the board members are simply doing what the community as a whole is telling them to do;
The SEA and union activists/taxpayers who are rallying against taxpayers for increased taxes appear to think it is "fair" in the name of Democracy to over-rule the will of the people as reflected in the free election of these Children First Budgeting board members;
And in the name of Budget Teachers Raises First, the union appears to think we should now hold a special election, so that the SEA who didn't like the results of the 2011 school board election can have a "fair and balanced" opportunity to get the results that they wanted in 2011 for Teachers Raises?
Excuse me, but contrary to what some say, "democracy" is not a unionized "do over" of a free election, because the union didn't get what they wanted!
Democracy is not what the SEA is exercising in this demand to "govern themselves" through "electing themselves to the Board of Education by special election"; but it does appear that "Oligarchy" is the form of school government what the SEA is demanding. And Oligarchy is not going to rule in the Springboro school district.
Isn't "Oligarchy" a Government by a few, especially by a small faction of persons or families; A state governed by a few persons...?
And is this not exactly what a few persons (including David Bowman/Lisa Babb/Ron Malone and the SEA union families/activists) are protesting for; And doesn’t this go against our democratic election of board representatives at the polls where ALL registered voters have a voice?
While it is true the big labor union bosses own the politicians in state leadership; this does not give the Springboro Education Association OWNERSHIP of the People's Will and the People's Wallet in Springboro School District.
The Springboro Board of Education must stand on the side of doing what's right for our school children and our community as a whole;
the SEA must bend to the "will of the people" as presented to the SEA by our elected BOE; the BOE must stand strong and must not bend the "will of the people" to better "FIT" the will of the Springboro Education Association to get more of our school tax dollars for doing less work for our children's classroom education.
Springboro Taxpayer

Piqua, OH

#25555 Jul 5, 2013
Special Election wrote:
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Let's have a vote for raises for our staff. A special election defining the raise and how much our taxes will go up to support that increase in spending. That may be telling and it would be fair.
NOT A CHANCE would a Special Election be Fair; but it would be telling Springboro Taxpayers that the OEA War of Words against our children first has WON for Union-first best interests.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.-Abraham Lincoln

Neither can a School House divided against itself stand.

Our Springboro Education Association teachers now have declared war against Springboro Taxpayers and our BOE elected officials.
Yes, I believe what the five board members agree to give is fair, because the board members are simply doing what the community as a whole is telling them to do;

The SEA and union activists/taxpayers who are rallying against taxpayers for increased taxes appear to think it is "fair" in the name of Democracy to over-rule the will of the people as reflected in the free election of these Children First Budgeting board members;

And in the name of Budget Teachers Raises First, the union appears to think we should now hold a special election, so that the SEA who didn't like the results of the 2011 school board election can have a "fair and balanced" opportunity to get the results that they wanted in 2011 for Teachers Raises?

Excuse me, but contrary to what some say, "democracy" is not a unionized "do over" of a free election, because the union didn't get what they wanted!
Democracy is not what the SEA is exercising in this demand to "govern themselves" through "electing themselves to the Board of Education by special election"; but it does appear that "Oligarchy" is the form of school government what the SEA is demanding. And Oligarchy is not going to rule in the Springboro school district.

Isn't "Oligarchy" a Government by a few, especially by a small faction of persons or families; A state governed by a few persons...?
And is this not exactly what a few persons (including David Bowman/Lisa Babb/Ron Malone and the SEA union families/activists) are protesting for; And doesn’t this go against our democratic election of board representatives at the polls where ALL registered voters have a voice?

While it is true the big labor union bosses own the politicians in state leadership; this does not give the Springboro Education Association OWNERSHIP of the People's Will and the People's Wallet in Springboro School District.

The Springboro Board of Education must stand on the side of doing what's right for our school children and our community as a whole;
the SEA must bend to the "will of the people" as presented to the SEA by our elected BOE; the BOE must stand strong and must not bend the "will of the people" to a better "FIT" to the will of the Springboro Education Association.

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