Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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This just in from striking school teachers in Strongsville, OH

“SEA President Tracy Linscott.“It is bad enough that the students have spent three weeks receiving a completely fake education, but to find out this is being done at a greater cost to taxpayers than real school is further evidence of the board’s incompetence.”

I love the part of the quote that claims the children are now getting a fake education with the substitute teachers.

A quick look at the Strongsville report card shows us that 40.6% of their students are PROFICIENT and below in Math.

Based upon their student body population that would mean that over 2600 kids in that district are not getting the education the taxpayers of that community are funding.

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcardfiles/20...

This place is passing only 59.4% of its students, how is this a real education
Ms. Villamagna?
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If you haven't had time to read the new contract changes in the teachers proposal you can now at www.springboro.org

If you liked the day when they its delayed start once per month, you will love this one, ONCE per week delayed start. Section 15.11

Why they don't stay an hour AFTER school to do this is beyond me, you would soon see how important these meetings were by the number cancelled and how short they become on the teacher's hour.

Considering that over 2000 plus kids in our district are not getting the education that we are funding, these demands do not seem to have much impact on that dilemma .
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How many days do they actually work?

Looking at the accumulated sick days (15 days), personal leave days(3), bereavement days(5 days), standard holidays plus the school holidays(only the good Lord knows), etc, etc, etc

7.5 hours per day x 185 days is only 1387.5 hours per year.

8.0 hours per day x 260 days for the average private sector person is 2080.

Holidays for the private sector a couple weeks vacation, New Year, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. 21 Days off per year.

School employees get Christmas break (10 days), MLK Day (1 day), Springbreak (5 days), Memorial Day (1 day), Labor Day (1 day), Thanksgiving (3 days), Summer Vacation (75 days). 96 Days off per year.

This is not even a full time job, 1387 hours/52 weeks = 26.67 hours per week.

A person making $36,000 per year under this schedule is making

$36,000 / 1387 hours =$25.96/hour

$60,000 / 1387 hours =$43.26/hour

$75,000 / 1387 hours =$54.07/hour

Did I forget to mention the 14% that the taxpayers toss in to their retirement account? The teachers can put in up to an additional 10% if they like, but the taxpayers put in a guaranteed extra 14% that does not come out of the teacher's salary.

$36,000 teacher is actually getting $25.96 +$3.63 =$29.59/hour

$60,000 teacher is actually getting $43.26 +$6.06 =$49.32/hour

$75,000 teacher is actually getting $54.07 +$7.57 =$61.64/hour

Pretty good hourly wages
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Take out the vacation days and the 185 days turns into 164 days x 7.5 per day = 1230 hours per year. The 36K teacher really makes $33.36/hour and the 60K makes $55.61/hour. That's a ton more than a nurse makes keeping you alive at the Valley and they work 2000 plus hours
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How many days do they actually work?
Looking at the accumulated sick days (15 days), personal leave days(3), bereavement days(5 days), standard holidays plus the school holidays(only the good Lord knows), etc, etc, etc
7.5 hours per day x 185 days is only 1387.5 hours per year.
8.0 hours per day x 260 days for the average private sector person is 2080.
Holidays for the private sector a couple weeks vacation, New Year, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. 21 Days off per year.
School employees get Christmas break (10 days), MLK Day (1 day), Springbreak (5 days), Memorial Day (1 day), Labor Day (1 day), Thanksgiving (3 days), Summer Vacation (75 days). 96 Days off per year.
This is not even a full time job, 1387 hours/52 weeks = 26.67 hours per week.
A person making $36,000 per year under this schedule is making
$36,000 / 1387 hours =$25.96/hour
$60,000 / 1387 hours =$43.26/hour
$75,000 / 1387 hours =$54.07/hour
Did I forget to mention the 14% that the taxpayers toss in to their retirement account? The teachers can put in up to an additional 10% if they like, but the taxpayers put in a guaranteed extra 14% that does not come out of the teacher's salary.
$36,000 teacher is actually getting $25.96 +$3.63 =$29.59/hour
$60,000 teacher is actually getting $43.26 +$6.06 =$49.32/hour
$75,000 teacher is actually getting $54.07 +$7.57 =$61.64/hour
Pretty good hourly wages
I definitely wasted my time in college, to think I would only have to work 2/3 of a year to make the same money I am making now, have guaranteed lifetime employment, a guaranteed retirement program I don't have to fund, and my summers off, two weeks at Christmas, and a week for Spring Break. Who knew?
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Math Major wrote:
Take out the vacation days and the 185 days turns into 164 days x 7.5 per day = 1230 hours per year. The 36K teacher really makes $33.36/hour and the 60K makes $55.61/hour. That's a ton more than a nurse makes keeping you alive at the Valley and they work 2000 plus hours
Where does it say they get 21 days vacation?

I thought they only had 3.
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Math Major wrote:
Take out the vacation days and the 185 days turns into 164 days x 7.5 per day = 1230 hours per year. The 36K teacher really makes $33.36/hour and the 60K makes $55.61/hour. That's a ton more than a nurse makes keeping you alive at the Valley and they work 2000 plus hours
Teachers work 185 days genius, that's what they are paid for. And this is the reason teachers need unions, people with Math Majors logic get elected to school boards and make major decisions for education.
Just Watcing

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Where does it say they get 21 days vacation?
I thought they only had 3.
My kids get 1 day for New Year, 1 Day for Martin Luther King Day, 1 day for President's Day, 6 days for Spring Break, 1 day for Memorial Day, 1 day for Labor Day, 3 days for Thanksgiving Day, 6 days at Christmas

There is probably one or two others that I did not count, but that is 20. How many get that many standard days off in the private sector?
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U should change ur major wrote:
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Teachers work 185 days genius, that's what they are paid for. And this is the reason teachers need unions, people with Math Majors logic get elected to school boards and make major decisions for education.
Tell us when they start and when they finish, I don't know.

Most folks that I know who work full time work 250 days per year with a couple weeks off.
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They start the first day of school and finish one day after the students are out. I thought you were smarter than that JW? If you want teachers and your children to work and go to school longer talk to your politicians, they are the ones who control that, not the teachers.
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Just Watcing wrote:
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My kids get 1 day for New Year, 1 Day for Martin Luther King Day, 1 day for President's Day, 6 days for Spring Break, 1 day for Memorial Day, 1 day for Labor Day, 3 days for Thanksgiving Day, 6 days at Christmas
There is probably one or two others that I did not count, but that is 20. How many get that many standard days off in the private sector?
Teachers are only paid for days they are contracted for. They do not get paid for any of those days you mention nor do they get paid in the summer.
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They start the first day of school and finish one day after the students are out. I thought you were smarter than that JW? If you want teachers and your children to work and go to school longer talk to your politicians, they are the ones who control that, not the teachers.
August..........3 days
September....19 days
October........22 days
November....19 days
December....14 days
January.........21 days
February......19 days
March..........16 days
April..........21 days
May..........21 days
Total..........175 days

175 days x 7.25 hours per day = 1268.75 hours of instruction per year

Paid Lunch 175 days x .5 hours per day = 87.5 hours of paid lunches

1268.75 - 87.5 = 1181.25 hours of instruction per year

Normal full time employment is 52 weeks x 40 hours per week = 2080 hours per year

How much do our teachers make per hour based on their hours of instruction per year?

$33,500 / 1181.25 =$28.36/hour of instruction

$48,000 / 1181.25 =$40.63/hour of instruction

$60,000 / 1181.25 =$50.79/hour of instruction

$75,000 / 1181.25 =$63.49/hour of instruction

How much would you make if you worked a full time job in the private sector at the same rates

$28.36 x 2080 =$58,988/year

$40.63 x 2080 =$84,510/year

$50.79 x 2080 =$105,643/year

$63.49 x 2080 =$132059/year

Living on food stamps? Underpaid? Not up to community standards?

I think not.
Get Real

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Teachers are only paid for days they are contracted for. They do not get paid for any of those days you mention nor do they get paid in the summer.
While many of us are working this week, often TWO part time jobs, meaning shifts scattered throughout the week and on weekends;
Aren't our Springboro teachers enjoying Spring break, Monday through Friday; and isn't their paychecks set up to receive payment throughout this week that they are on Spring break;
even though they do not come to the classroom?

Perhaps public school teachers would be compensated for their work more equally with the private sector, IF teachers were simply paid an hourly rate for each hour they are in the classroom? And why should teachers be PAID vacation for the holidays when school is closed, or be paid for spring and summer break, IF they are not in the classroom?
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Get Real wrote:
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While many of us are working this week, often TWO part time jobs, meaning shifts scattered throughout the week and on weekends;
Aren't our Springboro teachers enjoying Spring break, Monday through Friday; and isn't their paychecks set up to receive payment throughout this week that they are on Spring break;
even though they do not come to the classroom?
Perhaps public school teachers would be compensated for their work more equally with the private sector, IF teachers were simply paid an hourly rate for each hour they are in the classroom? And why should teachers be PAID vacation for the holidays when school is closed, or be paid for spring and summer break, IF they are not in the classroom?
You have no CLUE. Teachers are paid an hourly rate and they are only paid for those hours. Do some research genius. Having their checks stretched out to cover 26 weeks is not a benefit.
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U should change ur major wrote:
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You have no CLUE. Teachers are paid an hourly rate and they are only paid for those hours. Do some research genius. Having their checks stretched out to cover 26 weeks is not a benefit.
Get Real and Get a Second Job, genius. That's what the rest of us do in the real world if we only get hired for 26 weeks!
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You have no CLUE. Teachers are paid an hourly rate and they are only paid for those hours. Do some research genius. Having their checks stretched out to cover 26 weeks is not a benefit.
It may be true that I have no CLUE.
But I have a job; and I am not bullying you to give me more of your money; Do you have a clue WHY teachers always whine that they are victims of their own choosing?
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I support the SEA in their negotiations!!
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Get Real and Get a Second Job, genius. That's what the rest of us do in the real world if we only get hired for 26 weeks!
You're crazy dude!
Just Watching

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August..........3 days
September....19 days
October........22 days
November....19 days
December....14 days
January.........21 days
February......19 days
March..........16 days
April..........21 days
May..........21 days
Total..........175 days

175 days x 7.25 hours per day = 1268.75 hours of instruction per year

Paid Lunch 175 days x .5 hours per day = 87.5 hours of paid lunches

1268.75 - 87.5 = 1181.25 hours of instruction per year

Normal full time employment is 52 weeks x 40 hours per week = 2080 hours per year

How much do our teachers make per hour based on their hours of instruction per year?

$33,500 / 1181.25 =$28.36/hour of instruction

$48,000 / 1181.25 =$40.63/hour of instruction

$60,000 / 1181.25 =$50.79/hour of instruction

$75,000 / 1181.25 =$63.49/hour of instruction

Food stamps? Underpaid? Not to community standards?

I think not
Just Watching

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How much would you make if you worked a full time job in the private sector at the same rates

$28.36 x 2080 =$58,988/year

$40.63 x 2080 =$84,510/year

$50.79 x 2080 =$105,643/year

$63.49 x 2080 =$132059/year

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