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Not Smart

Yellow Springs, OH

#23563 Feb 21, 2013
No OEA Indoctrination wrote:
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Hmmmm... social studies OR unionism indoctrination?
WE all remember the hizzy fit thrown by the union-supported community activists during last year because they were so angry that the union-supported school board candidates lost the election;that our union had thought would put them in better position for negotiations.
These district union members had spent their money and many hours working to get these candidates elected in November 2011; and when the union school board candidates lost the BOE election, they turned their anger against our three strong, moral, reform minded BOE members into the destructive energy of an almost "stalking mentality" with cameras turned on the winning board members during every public meeting; and blogs spreading lies, rumors and innuendoes launched against them.
Now here we are, one year later, and these three strong, moral, reform-minded BOE elected officials are still being relentlessly stalked by the union activists, who are still trying to render ineffective the achievements of this BOE majority, and still trying to take away the authority of the board representatives people that Springboro voters elected to represent us.
People, don't be fooled by these continuing false accusations that our BOE majority does not have our kids first best interest as their number one priority. We know that we did the right thing by electing three strong, moral, community supporters who are doing the right thing for the children and the taxpayers.
We know that we appreciate the 2012 achievements accomplished for our children first, and we stand firm in our continued support of our reform minded board members new philosophy of change, that is needed for our children's future.
YOUR BOE just cut academic classes at the high school. How is that putting children first??
Truth

Dayton, OH

#23565 Feb 21, 2013
Its True wrote:
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The BOE added PE Team Sports & PE Individual Sports and as you y cut several of the academic college prep electives.
Do not be fooled by all the nonsense Children First board they added PE courses and cut academic classes.
Move

Dayton, OH

#23566 Feb 21, 2013
size isnt the problem wrote:
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Oh, please! Stop the whining about class sizes! The average European and Asian class size ranges between 32-38 students. It's extremely well documented that K-12 education in many of those nations is at least equal to, or has exceeded America's.
Please do Springboro a favor and move to Europe or Asia. When you get there please post and let us know how wonderful it is.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23567 Feb 21, 2013
Scaled Scores wrote:
Springboro High School Grading Schedule from the Springboro Progress Book. Conversion of class percentage mastered into a GPA weighting number.
93% Looks to be the bottom edge of the A range
83% Looks to be the bottom edge of the B range
73% Looks to be the bottom edge of the C range
63% Looks to be the bottom edge of the D range
62.99 and below looks to be the F range
Let's look at our Ohio Graduation Tests and our Ohio Achievement Assessment tests with the same criteria applied to the results.
Provided is the information gleaned from the ODE website
Ohio Graduation Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands on the 2012 test
Reading
Advanced.......79%-100%
Accelerated.....63.5%-78%
Proficient.........40.6%-63.4%
If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Reading.
(In a class at our high school those scoring in the Proficient range would have meant they absolutely failed)
Springboro had 88 students out of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.
Math
Advanced.......75%-100%
Accelerated....61%-74%
Proficient........42%-60%
If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Math.
Springboro had 40 students our of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.
(In a class at our high school those scoring in the Proficient and some Accelerated ranges would have meant they absolutely failed)
They further REDUCED the number of questions correct that you needed to reach the various achievement levels down a question from the 2011 already low levels.
Over 2000 students are receiving a less than adequate education in our schools. The state and our school administrators wish to paper over this fact with sweet smelling semantics about how many of our children scored Proficient or better
The principals in these schools know what they are purveying is half truth, yet recite it with straight faces as yet another class graduates with less of an education than we, the taxpayers, funded.
It is time for an infusion of new ideas that truly pursue excellence rather than state minimum standards
If you achieve a 70% on a professional test to sell insurance and stocks you're approved to do so. You need a 75% on your boards to become a nurse. To get into grad school you need a 76% on the MAT. On the LSAT you need a score in the 80s. Quit comparing these scores to the percentage you receive for coursework, they are not related. It's a scaled score. Even baseball players that hit 33% of the time are All Stars!!!
I doubt if many of the students labeled as Proficient for 12 years in the Springboro school district will be taking any of your professional exams any time soon.

And that, dear friend, is the crux of the situation.

Which of the 2000 plus students that we so cavalierly dismiss could have been making a greater contribution to society and themselves had we done our job and educated them in a better fashion?

Who are we dismissing today that could have turned into something had we done the job we were supposed to do rather than hiding behind semantics, accepting less than mediocre as success?
Just Blame the Donuts

Piqua, OH

#23568 Feb 21, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Do not be fooled by all the nonsense Children First board they added PE courses and cut academic classes.
Just blame the donuts that malone hands out to the kiddies in appreciation of the youth union/SEA activists March 2012 save ron malone rally. This is the time to cut out the double dipping fat
at SHS. Bring on those PE classes.
Just Blame the Donuts

Piqua, OH

#23569 Feb 21, 2013
just ask the SHS kids wrote:
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Q) What is a "gym class" at Springboro High School?
A) A barely supervised study hall without chairs and desks
.... and like totally without donuts.
Just Blame the Donuts

Piqua, OH

#23570 Feb 21, 2013
Name wrote:
I want to know how cutting the academic classes that children take is "putting the children first." They cut all the academic electives.
To the previous writer, I don't think they will add more gym classes. They will just continue increasing class sizes at the high school. My daughter already has 34 kids in her English class and 30 in her science class. Pathetic.
Pathetic, you say? Not at all, just a great big group hug loving the SHS high school experience. It don't get no better than this; who would ever want to leave?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23571 Feb 21, 2013
BOE wrote:
What a joke I just saw my kids course offerings for the high school. BOE let's see you get out of this one as all social studies electives for next year were cut. All of these courses were college prep and met the requirements for NCAA clearinghouse. Can't be money because you added PE courses. Yes everyone the BOE replaced academic courses with additional PE courses. If PE is the new BOE agenda save it for your conversion school. You can make it the Springboro PE Academy. Maybe with more A's in PE GPA's will go up? BOE I know your out there (as most of you are on here posting.) BOE you have reached a new low replacing college level courses with additional PE offers. These are the same board members who talked about how more history should be taught in public schools. What a slap in the face! I'm pretty sure Oakwood, Centerville, Mason, Kings, Solon, or any other top school district in the state is not replacing academic course offerings with PE. BOE if this is your answer to raising student achievement you are the joke!!!
Where do you get this stuff, the high school principal's office? You might want to try a better source.

What classes are being cut?

From my understanding more kids are opting out of the PE requirement because of participation in Marching Band and Sports programs. And I believe this was a Ohio Department of Education initiative, not the Springboro BOE.

Have you considered the PSEO option of gaining college credits while taking more challenging courses at the university level? It is FREE for the student, as the district picks up the tab if your child passes the course.

All said PE is still a vital part of the strong mind, strong body ethos that can carry a child a long way into the future.

I would not recommend you denigrating our PE program when you have so many other options for pursuing whatever classes your child wishes to study.
size isnt the problem

Girard, OH

#23572 Feb 21, 2013
Move wrote:
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Please do Springboro a favor and move to Europe or Asia. When you get there please post and let us know how wonderful it is.
My plan is to be here in 2016 to help America recover from the decimation Barack Obama and people like you are leaving.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23573 Feb 21, 2013
Name wrote:
I want to know how cutting the academic classes that children take is "putting the children first." They cut all the academic electives.
To the previous writer, I don't think they will add more gym classes. They will just continue increasing class sizes at the high school. My daughter already has 34 kids in her English class and 30 in her science class. Pathetic.
Who are the teachers in those classes and what is the exact class?

I am sure of the veracity of your statement, I just like to check them out for myself.

I don't believe anyone cut all the electives at the high school.

Again, where could we get the documentation on this claim?
Just pass the

Dayton, OH

#23574 Feb 21, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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Where do you get this stuff, the high school principal's office? You might want to try a better source.
What classes are being cut?
From my understanding more kids are opting out of the PE requirement because of participation in Marching Band and Sports programs. And I believe this was a Ohio Department of Education initiative, not the Springboro BOE.
Have you considered the PSEO option of gaining college credits while taking more challenging courses at the university level? It is FREE for the student, as the district picks up the tab if your child passes the course.
All said PE is still a vital part of the strong mind, strong body ethos that can carry ai child a long way into the future.
I would not recommend you denigrating our PE program when you have so many other options for pursuing whatever classes your child wishes to studoy.
It is hard to believe that the BOE is now supporting PE over academic courses. If you were really just watching you would know that the BOE added Team Sports and Individual Sports and dropped several academic courses.
For the Donut Man

Dayton, OH

#23575 Feb 21, 2013
Just Blame the Donuts wrote:
<quoted text>
Pathetic, you say? Not at all, just a great big group hug loving the SHS high school experience. It don't get no better than this; who would ever want to leave?
Typical Tea Party NONSENSE.
News Flash

Dayton, OH

#23576 Feb 21, 2013
BOE replaces "Children First" with "Fitness First"
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23577 Feb 22, 2013
Just pass the wrote:
<quoted text> It is hard to believe that the BOE is now supporting PE over academic courses. If you were really just watching you would know that the BOE added Team Sports and Individual Sports and dropped several academic courses.
And your source material for this assertion would be found where exactly?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23578 Feb 22, 2013
News Flash wrote:
BOE replaces "Children First" with "Fitness First"
This is the best the union can deliver when 37% of your children are effectively not getting the education for which the taxpayers have paid?

That means that 63% of the children are successful, some way more than others, but 63% remains the level at which our schools are performing in their job of educating our children.

Mr. Malone defines grades earned while taking college level courses at a university through PSEO as:

A=95%
B=85%
C=75%
D=65%
F=59%

63% passing rate would indicate our school system deserves a D according to Mr. Malone.

D is a far cry from Excellent with Distinction.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23579 Feb 22, 2013
Teachers Union Targets Springboro School Board with Labor Complaint

The Springboro Education Association (SEA) accused the Springboro Community City Board of Education of unfair labor practices because the board issued a January 10 press release calling for contract negotiations, the Dayton Daily News reported on February 5. SEA, a local of the Ohio Education Association, filed a complaint with the State Employment Relations Board (SERB) on January 28, charging that the board’s release violated the union’s right to private negotiations.

Springboro High School
In its SERB complaint, SEA alleged that the Warren County school board violated sections 4117.11(A)(1), 4117.11(A)(5), and 4117.21 of the Ohio Revised Code (ORC)“when it issued a press release setting forth its negotiation proposals and goals” and distributed the release to district staff.

ORC 4117.11(A)(1) prevents government officials from interfering with public employees’ selection of union representation. ORC 4117.11(A)(5) forces government officials to bargain with their employees’ selected union. ORC 4117.21 requires collective bargaining meetings to be held in private.

It is difficult to see how a school board press release calling for SEA to negotiate and listing the district’s goals violates any of the provisions of state law cited by the teachers union.

SEA and the district are currently operating under a 2006 labor agreement that has been repeatedly extended. The most recent extension expires this June, but the school board seeks to renegotiate by early May so it can plan a November levy request accordingly. As The Cincinnati Enquirer reported, the board’s January 10 letter was a call to begin negotiations on a financially unsustainable contract.

While the board asserted that “completing negotiations will relieve employee anxiety over negotiations and instill confidence throughout the Springboro community as the Board seeks to renew a $9.2 million tax levy in 2013,” SEA rejected the call to begin negotiations early.

“The Board’s current financial forecast presents a balanced budget but assumes no overall increase in payroll and no overall increase in medical insurance costs for the next five years,” the Springboro school board wrote in its release before warning,“Reverting to the terms of the 2006 contract will invalidate these assumptions and cost the District an additional $5.7 million for payroll and $5.6 million in insurance over the next five years.”

Unlike many districts in Ohio, Springboro Community City Schools spending has been relatively flat and is expected to remain so over the next five years. Assuming the district and SEA are able to come to terms on a new contract, personnel and fringe benefits costs are expected to decline by 0.91 percent over the next four years.

Even with a small decrease in benefits and pay, compensation would remain a large majority of the district’s total spending. In 2013, teacher salaries and benefits accounted for 76.99 percent of the Springboro school district, a figure projected to swell to 78.23 percent of the budget in 2017.

Absent a new agreement with SEA, the Springboro school district’s compensation costs will increase by a total of $11.3 million over the next five years, or $2.26 million annually. This would represent a 6.7 percent increase in expenditures.

During contentious contract negotiations in Brecksville in 2012, the local Ohio Education Association affiliate filed legal complaints similar to those being made by SEA.
Tea Party Thugs

Dayton, OH

#23580 Feb 22, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Teachers Union Targets Springboro School Board with Labor Complaint
The Springboro Education Association (SEA) accused the Springboro Community City Board of Education of unfair labor practices because the board issued a January 10 press release calling for contract negotiations, the Dayton Daily News reported on February 5. SEA, a local of the Ohio Education Association, filed a complaint with the State Employment Relations Board (SERB) on January 28, charging that the board’s release violated the union’s right to private negotiations.
Springboro High School
In its SERB complaint, SEA alleged that the Warren County school board violated sections 4117.11(A)(1), 4117.11(A)(5), and 4117.21 of the Ohio Revised Code (ORC)“when it issued a press release setting forth its negotiation proposals and goals” and distributed the release to district staff.
ORC 4117.11(A)(1) prevents government officials from interfering with public employees’ selection of union representation. ORC 4117.11(A)(5) forces government officials to bargain with their employees’ selected union. ORC 4117.21 requires collective bargaining meetings to be held in private.
It is difficult to see how a school board press release calling for SEA to negotiate and listing the district’s goals violates any of the provisions of state law cited by the teachers union.
SEA and the district are currently operating under a 2006 labor agreement that has been repeatedly extended. The most recent extension expires this June, but the school board seeks to renegotiate by early May so it can plan a November levy request accordingly. As The Cincinnati Enquirer reported, the board’s January 10 letter was a call to begin negotiations on a financially unsustainable contract.
While the board asserted that “completing negotiations will relieve employee anxiety over negotiations and instill confidence throughout the Springboro community as the Board seeks to renew a $9.2 million tax levy in 2013,” SEA rejected the call to begin negotiations early.
“The Board’s current financial forecast presents a balanced budget but assumes no overall increase in payroll and no overall increase in medical insurance costs for the next five years,” the Springboro school board wrote in its release before warning,“Reverting to the terms of the 2006 contract will invalidate these assumptions and cost the District an additional $5.7 million for payroll and $5.6 million in insurance over the next five years.”
Unlike many districts in Ohio, Springboro Community City Schools spending has been relatively flat and is expected to remain so over the next five years. Assuming the district and SEA are able to come to terms on a new contract, personnel and fringe benefits costs are expected to decline by 0.91 percent over the next four years.
Even with a small decrease in benefits and pay, compensation would remain a large majority of the district’s total spending. In 2013, teacher salaries and benefits accounted for 76.99 percent of the Springboro school district, a figure projected to swell to 78.23 percent of the budget in 2017.
Absent a new agreement with SEA, the Springboro school district’s compensation costs will increase by a total of $11.3 million over the next five years, or $2.26 million annually. This would represent a 6.7 percent increase in expenditures.
During contentious contract negotiations in Brecksville in 2012, the local Ohio Education Association affiliate filed legal complaints similar to those being made by SEA.
Typical Tea Party Thugs who think that the laws do not appply to them.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23582 Feb 22, 2013
According to the above synopsis if the teachers refuse to negotiate their pay and benefits go up $11,300,000.

The renewal levy is for $9,200,000 to keep things where they are right now.

How many of you think we are going to pass a renewal levy AND a new money levy that is nearly 20% higher than the renewal levy they are worried about?

My money is on maybe the renewal levy passes if they haven't perturbed too many voters with the union's demands.

The new money levy for an additional $11,300,000 plus, no chance.

So who pays the price for this latest bit of idiocracy?

Aside from the obvious answer the children, I would like to offer up any teacher not teaching a core subject, any teacher not involved with special education, any teacher lacking any degree of seniority, administrative staff with no seniority, support staff, etc. etc, etc. It will take quite a few bodies to make up $11,300,000 in cuts to get to a balanced budget.

Those in the union with sufficient seniority do not need to fret much for they are protected. The junior members on the other hand will see themselves tossed overboard to save the senior members.

Seriously, why negotiate, as long as you are a senior member of the union there is no downside to intransigence.

The senior members won't be the one's paying the price.

And pray that the community never discovers that over 2000 plus of our children are not getting the education the taxpayers are funding. That just might really upset the apple cart.
Move

Dayton, OH

#23583 Feb 22, 2013
size isnt the problem wrote:
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My plan is to be here in 2016 to help America recover from the decimation Barack Obama and people like you are leaving.
You should have done a better job in 2012. Typical Tea Party cry baby.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23584 Feb 22, 2013
Tea Party Thugs wrote:
<quoted text> Typical Tea Party Thugs who think that the laws do not appply to them.
Here we go again, name calling with no argument of substance.

Why is informing the public, whose money is being spent, what the issues of the day are in the negotiations?

What is so awful about transparency in government finances?

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