Not evil, just not required under Ohio Law. I believe the electorate voiced their opinion on changes to the collective bargaining law for public employees in a previous election, and whether you like it or not, they voted overwhelmingly for the status quo.I enjoyed reading in the paper today that the union lawyer, who also happens to be a Centerville School Board member (and you think we have conflicts of interest), says bargaining in public is evil.
If GM and the UAW want to bargain in private that is their business, after all, it is private money they are haggling over (or used to be anyway).
Teacher's unions and School Boards, however, are haggling over PUBLIC MONEY!
I do not wish to see us go down the same road as California. It is in the Golden State that unions elect officials to aid them in pillaging the public coffers. So many municipalities are headed towards unsustainable debt as a result of these "negotiations" being held in private. Years later, when the hens come home to roost, the people of that fine state are learning just how advantageous those negotiations were for the unions. The people paying the tab were kept in the dark and sent the bill.
Only cockroaches and union lawyers like the dark, hold the meetings in the sunshine that everyone around here so fervently supports.
#23362 Feb 6, 2013
#23363 Feb 6, 2013
The Ohio Revised Code says that the meetings are private, the public cannot attend.\
4117.21 Collective bargaining meetings private.
Collective bargaining meetings between public employers and employee organizations are private, and are not subject to section 121.22 of the Revised Code.
Effective Date: 04-01-1984
The amendment to this section by 129th General Assembly File No. 10, SB 5,§ 1 was rejected by voters in the November, 2011 election.
Agendas, proposals, and contracts are, however, public records and may be accessed by any concerned citizen.
Let's see both side's proposals.
I believe we as a community are smart enough to decipher the information contained within each one.
It is PUBLIC MONEY, our money that they are haggling over, so let us stay informed.
#23364 Feb 7, 2013
Look at election results. Issue 2 failed, FAILED here in Springboro. Meaning SB5 passed.
Issue 2 Failed here in Warren County =FAILED. Ohio voters were dupped but, not here in SPRINGBORO. We are much smarter than the average Ohioan.
#23365 Feb 7, 2013
It's too bad that real reform cannot be discussed here. Anybody who says anything contrary to the Petroni line is labelled a union thug and dismissed without consideration of their actual ideas.
#23366 Feb 7, 2013
Yes we can discuss conversion schools all on its own, but only when we stay focused on the facts and issues of "why consider a conversion school."
We see presented on this blog an attack on the character of community members who are trying to learn more ways that local taxpayers can put common sense finances back into our kids' classroom education; and take the politics of status quo rules for radicals out of our children's classrooms.
We must stay alert to the bowmans and babbs attacks on the good character and leadership expertise of those not of their own "union kind." And we must refuse to allow their false accusations and misleading emotional manipulations of the true facts pull us into their "radicule rule of ridicule." The bowmans and babbs seek only to devour our school tax dollars for union self-interest; and their only agenda is to discredit their
neighbors who vote for no more status quo.
Let's stay to the task of educating community members of the good work being done for our children's future, and the many accomplishments of our reform-minded school board members in their quest to lead us far beyond the status quo tunnel vision of unionism indoctrination for our children's future.
#23367 Feb 7, 2013
All politics are local and Springboro voters are Boro Proud of our BOE majority conservative elected officials!
Springboro voters are proud of our schools and community and thankful! to live in Warren County with like minded conservatives (like these majority voters recorded on the Board of Elections website who showed up at the polls to vote for common sense values of peace and prosperity for ALL Americans)! God Bless America and May God Bless You and Your family.
#23368 Feb 7, 2013
The truth shall set you free!
Who cares what anyone here says, explain your side of the story.
The rest of us are waiting with rapt anticipation.
#23369 Feb 7, 2013
While we discuss reform, let us all not forget who that reform effects the most, our children. All of them deserve more than what we are giving them now.
They may cry about getting an education today, but will thank you many years down the road in ways you cannot begin to fathom today.
See page 12 for key
6th grade 2011 OAA Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands
(This represents Springboro Class of ’17)
If a student was able to answer 17 out of 49 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in READING.
In 6th grade READING, Springboro had 172 students out of 502 students (34%) fall in the Proficient or below category
If a student was able to answer 20 out of 50 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in MATH.
In 6th grade MATH, Springboro had 127 students our of 502 students ( 25%) falling the Proficient or below category
7th grade 2011 OAA Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands
(This is Springboro’s Class of ’16)
In 7th grade READING, Springboro had 172 students out of 413 students (42%) fall in the Proficient or below category
In 7th grade MATH, Springboro had 140 students out of 413 students (34%) fall in the Proficient or below categories.
8th grade 2011 OAA Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands
(Springboro Class of ’15)
If a student was able to answer 23 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in READING.
In 8th grade READING, Springboro had 136 students out of 443 students (31%) fall in the Proficient or below category.
If a student was able to answer 16 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in MATH.
In 8th grade MATH, Springboro had 203 students out of 443 students (46%) fall the Proficient or below category.
Ohio Graduation Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands on the 2012 test
If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in READING.
Of the 380 Springboro sophomores who took the READING portion of the Ohio Graduation Test, 88 students (23%) fell in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.
If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in MATH.
Of the 380 Springboro sophomores who took the MATH portion of the Ohio Graduation Test, 40 students (10%) fell in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.
They further REDUCED the number of questions correct that you needed to reach the various achievement levels down a question from the 2011 already low levels.
#23370 Feb 7, 2013
At the 1/10 BOE meeting there were scores of community attendees who certainly would've liked to have heard more legitimate community discussion regarding the potential of a conversion school. What a shame SELFISH UNION THUGS had to ruin that opportunity.
#23371 Feb 7, 2013
WOW! You're so smart! According to you Springboro graduates are failures with an inadequate education. What does that make the colleges that offer millions of dollars a year to our failing school children? How is the college acceptance rate so high in our graduating classes of barely proficient and less than proficient students?
Back in the day when you were in school where did your test scores fall? In the anti-tax-the-schools-are-run-b y-union-thugs-who-want-a-hando ut-and-dont-take-personal-resp onsiblity-for-leaching-my-hard -earned-money why is your child's success contingent upon the effectiveness of the babysitter in the classroom? Why don't you take on the responsibility of sitting with your child and studying at home? Aren't you pushing the blame for your child's poor performance on the teacher instead of yourself. It's your kid. If your kid needs a private tutor, extra hel, or motivation to succeed isn't that your responsiblity?
Btw. I study with mine no complaints
#23372 Feb 8, 2013
Bull, thank you for your kind words. It is not according to me but rather the results from the state, an unbiased assessment of what our students have learned. Many children in our district are doing quite well, however, just as many are not getting the education that we, the taxpayers, are funding. Those children, nearly 3/8 of each class, are not graduating with a plethora of scholarship offers.
When you address the college issue, you may also well note that 25% of our Springboro graduates in Ohio colleges are taking at least one remedial education class to make up for the deficiencies in the high school program of study. Parents are paying hard earned cash for classes in college that should have been mastered at the high school level for free.
Not everyone is as good a parent as you evidently are, some struggle with life in a variety of ways you cannot imagine. Yet each one of those children has been promised an education, a real education that helps them prepare for life after high school.
If you have a problem with the reporting of our test results, perhaps you should investigate why and how this is happening. Fraud is being perpetrated upon the parents of this state by a system that euphemistically labels failure Proficient.
When the people accept these semantic whitewashes as truth, we are entering the dystopian world made infamous by George Orwell.
#23373 Feb 8, 2013
If there were people who wanted to speak in support of the conversion school, why did they not sign up to speak?
#23374 Feb 8, 2013
Thanks to factual information presented by just watching, we can see that the next step that should be taken by our Springboro Board of Education, is voting on a contract to hire a professional consulting group to guide our schools/parents/community members in seeking answers to why Springboro needs to consider conversion schools.
Our status quo board member Don Miller will continue sitting on the board protecting our public schools union employees and our public schools outdated rating of excellent with distinction.
Long time status quo board member Don Miller has voted consistently against our children first budgeting; and will continue protesting in favor of our public schools status quo; just preaching to the choir his tunnel vision arguments that our kids need not strive for greater achievement, because they are already as good as they can be.
#23375 Feb 8, 2013
Aren't parents also responsible for taking charge of their child's school tax dollars (paid for by all taxpayers) making sure that each child gets that one-of-a-kind education that "motivates" each child to higher achievements, such as would be the advantage of conversion schools that could their child's "unmet needs" in the public schools classroom? How selfish of parents who are content with "no complaints" that "one size doesn't fit all in education" and "status quo" is the tunnel vision way for our children's future.
#23376 Feb 8, 2013
And what do we do with the kids with the crappy parents who don't give a darn?
Tell the kids, "Sorry for your luck" ?
Somehow that rings quite hollow.
A teacher friend of mine suggested we get some retired teachers in the primary disciplines (reading, writing, arithmetic, etc) and then have them run the study halls. Place kids in the math study hall with a former math teacher to aid the children struggling in math. Aggregate the poor readers in a study hall that caters to those with reading difficulties. Etc, etc, etc. These teachers could work part time each day to run a couple of study halls.
It seemed like a simple solution to a vexing problem. Hiring people to come in and baby sit study halls is insane. I have been in more than a few and the lack of focus is appalling. Put people with educational skills in these halls and let's get something productive done.
#23377 Feb 8, 2013
And somehow that pep squad rally in support of our wonderfully amazing teachers "rings quite hollow."
#23378 Feb 8, 2013
Dear Mr. Petrey and Board Members,
I would like to thank you for doing your best to restore truth and full disclosure to our school district. I know you are inundated by a few hundred in the community led by Lisa Babb and David Bowman, telling you what you are doing is wrong, unethical, damaging to our students and tearing this community apart.
The union seems to lie in wait for you to do anything they can attack. Perhaps if they spent a fourth of that time trying to work with you to rid our school district of corruption and truly putting kids first, the district could make more progress.
I have heard this group numerous times state the "whole community" agrees with them. I would like to ask you not buy into that! Please! While I would never be so arrogant as to say I am speaking for anyone other than myself, I do feel that we have "proof" that the majority of this community does NOT agree with them.
4 of the 5 of our current board members were VOTED in to office by this community. Mr. Petry and Mrs. Kull were CHOSEN by the people we voted in. Personally, I voted for you all based on what you said you would do. I have been very pleased. I realize the silent majority of this community does not show up at board meetings to yell and behave disrespectfully. This silent majority doesn't call park meetings to "save our schools", "save our sports", "save our principal", "save extra curriculars" or to "save" anything else, but PLEASE know that we are still here! We support YOU and have entrusted YOU to "save" our schools.
I appreciate the updates on what you all have done and what you are trying to do. I believe since this community, through our taxes, pays the salaries and benefits of our teachers and staff, we have every right to know what is happening with negotiations. I do understand that some things may need to be kept confidential, but I want to know who is offering what and is being refused and accepted. I sympathize with our staff when changes have to made that are not easy or well liked. No one wants to pay more for insurance or not receive a pay raise etc, but that is what the rest of us are having to do.
Why does the staff feel they are entitled to more than the majority of the community they work for? It is very frustrating to hear staff members out in public saying the board wants them to take a 30% pay cut across the board, or the staff is one of the lowest paid in the surrounding area, or that we can't keep bus drivers because they are paid so poorly. None of this sounds like putting kids first!
In this economy, I think they should all be thankful that they have their jobs to begin with. Having to pay 20 or even 30% of your health care benefits may seem terrible when you are used to having to pay 5%, but, times have changed! While I truly want them to stay here and work with us, I believe that if they are not happy with a fair wage for an honest days work, then this school system is better off without them. There are hundreds of well qualified teachers that would be honored to work in Springboro Schools and help keep our district at the top. Instead of being thankful for the opportunities that are here for them, they want to spread lies and use bullying tactics (like those our children are taught NOT to use) to try to strong arm you into giving into their demands.
PLEASE stay true to your values!
Do not succumb to the bullying of a small few. I am counting on you to stand up for us, to be who you said you would be during your campaigns, and to do what you said you would do.
#23379 Feb 8, 2013
I think it's safe to say that both the BOE and teachers union has faults in our district. I have no problem paying teachers a respectable wage to produce a quality education for my students. I also agree that some areas of spending in this district needs to be examined to determine if the results are effectively helping our students. The bad blood and bickering between both groups has led to a bad atmosphere in this community. I hope some kind of common ground is found soon if everyone is truly putting "children first". Lets find ways to give our students better opportunities and find effective ways to help our community grow.
I do keep hearing a lot about how 3/8 of our students are struggling, but how does that compare to other districts in our area? Does Lebanon, Lakota, Centerville, and other schools have more or less struggling students?
#23380 Feb 8, 2013
Well, our status quo board member Don Miller, could have seen it coming, since obviously his union activists/bullies had rehearsed their no class performance before bringing it to the board meetings.
#23381 Feb 9, 2013
We cannot control what happens in other school districts, only in ours are we masters of our fate.
The people of this community pay to educate all of our children in a manner that provides them a fighting chance in life once they leave our system.
To dismiss these children as acceptable casualties in the battle of education is UNACCEPTABLE.
Not only can we do better, it is imperative that we do so.
2000 plus children's futures are depending upon our actions today.
Let us not let them down just because other districts are doing thus.
Where is the vaunted Boro Pride when it comes to helping those in academic need that don't happen to be our children?
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