CNG vehicles aren't the answer

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FO z

Fairborn, OH

#1 Feb 21, 2013
Adds more weight to the vehicle, vehicles more expensive and less energy yield than gasoline or diesel fuel.
http://www.exxonmobilperspectives.com/2012/03...
Arliss Vermont

Dayton, OH

#2 Feb 22, 2013
CNG is fueled by abundant US natural gas and burning NG leaves no deposits and little wear and tear on a CNG engine relative to gasoline. There is so much US natural gas that they plan to export it to Japan and other countires.

Mileage is very good per tank of CNG, typically over 250 miles. Acceleration is good too.

Emissions are nearly zero because CNG burns very efficient compared with gasoline.

CNG dosen't get government subsidies for farmers like ethanol, so Agibusiness doesn't like it. Exxon doesn't like CNG because their distribution infrastructure isn't designed to dispense CNG.

Engine will last 5 times as long with CNG because of reduced wear. You can easily get 15,000 miles between oil changes.

You can refuel at home with CNG if you have a NG supply and install a NG compressor.

Honda already makes a small CNG car, the Honda Civic CX, for around $25k new. GM doesn't make a small CNG car because they are a corporate dinosaur that should be converted to petroleum. Instead, GM and oil companies are always sniffing the butt of federals, looking for handouts and tax breaks.
TW z

AOL

#3 Feb 22, 2013
Vehicle cost. CNG vehicles are nearly 25 percent more expensive than conventional gasoline or diesel vehicles and nearly 10 percent more expensive than hybrids, based on equivalent models. For example, a CNG-powered passenger car available in the United States costs about $5,600 more than a similarly equipped conventional model, and a CNG-powered 18- wheeler costs an additional $60,000. Even with today’s low natural gas prices, it would take years for motorists to recoup these extra costs
Tony Dunson

Dayton, OH

#4 Feb 22, 2013
FO z wrote:
Adds more weight to the vehicle, vehicles more expensive and less energy yield than gasoline or diesel fuel.
http://www.exxonmobilperspectives.com/2012/03...
Shouldn't effect you! The nursing home provides a bus!
Hardy har har har

United States

#5 Feb 22, 2013
Fart in the tank
TW z

AOL

#6 Feb 23, 2013
Id iots can't debate!
Arliss Vermont

Cincinnati, OH

#7 Feb 23, 2013
TW z wrote:
Vehicle cost. CNG vehicles are nearly 25 percent more expensive than conventional gasoline or diesel vehicles and nearly 10 percent more expensive than hybrids, based on equivalent models. For example, a CNG-powered passenger car available in the United States costs about $5,600 more than a similarly equipped conventional model, and a CNG-powered 18- wheeler costs an additional $60,000. Even with today’s low natural gas prices, it would take years for motorists to recoup these extra costs
CNG car engines last 5 times longer, so the initial extra cost which is actually trivial, is easily recovered over a longer vehicle lifecycle and reduced engine maintenance.

CNG cars are NOT more expensive than a hybrid.

CNG cars are considered zero emissions vehicles, and should receieve all of the same tax credits as a electric car. CNG cars don't receive the same tax credits as electrics because of political shenanigans.

There is ZERO evidence supporting your assertion of an extra $60,000 for an 18 wheeler CNG vehicle. You pulled that preposterous gem from your backside.
DZ x

Fairborn, OH

#8 Feb 23, 2013
Good reading for you Arliss. The Honda starts at $26,305. and how much extra weight does the tank add and how much trunk room do you lose?
http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-natural-ga...
DZ x

Fairborn, OH

#9 Feb 23, 2013
Trunk space 6.1 cu. ft., review the specs.
DZ x

Fairborn, OH

#10 Feb 23, 2013
Road test not good either, big cost difference.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-hond...
The Old Cold Warrior

Englewood, OH

#11 Feb 23, 2013
My carpenter did not smile, when he told me that his big work truck got eight gallons per mile. If you could power it by sun or wind, he would be your friend. He does not rob, having to pay for his gasoline, without being mean, by adding it to each and every job. I know, to the Obama creeps, this is too complex and too deep.

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