Senate candidates discuss education

Only two Pennsylvania State Senate candidates showed up Tuesday to address a group with concerns about education in general and homeschooling in particular. Full Story
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Dave

United States

#1 Apr 16, 2008
Do these two know how much Home Schooling costs our schools?

This entire system is one hugh scam. These aren't all kids sitting around the kitchen table while mommy tells them about addition. These are kids who sit at computers that we buy & using software that we pay for.

We already pay for a building staffed with teachers. Why should we also have to fork over money for this form of private schooling. Do we pay for those who want to send their kids to traditional private schools - no.

When we are all looking at tax increases, these home schoolers are sucking hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars away from our schools.

We need to end funding home schooling. We should make sure these kids are properly educated & charge the parents for the monitioring.

This is a danger of Taylors far rigt wing stances & Curley's ignorance of the subject.

What Up

Chambersburg, PA

#2 Apr 16, 2008
What we need is competition in education as long as there only one place to go you have a recipe for medocrity
Rob

Lancaster, PA

#3 Apr 16, 2008
I'm all about public schools, personally. I can see the state setting aside a few dollars but Homeschoolers keep asking for more. I think we need to put more money into the public schools. Cut down on how many schools we have and possibly looking into county wide schools. Yes, we still have to pay for administrators but we wouldn't need as many.
Dave

United States

#4 Apr 16, 2008
What Up wrote:
What we need is competition in education as long as there only one place to go you have a recipe for medocrity
No really true. If schools get lazy, it will be the parents that demand better.

The problem is that demanding better typically invoves spending more.

To me, a very important key is not what we pay teachers but how we pay teachers.

When we pay teachers based solely on time put in, we rely on the teacher' own inner being to do the best they can. There are lots of teachers that fit that bill but the system is also burdened by lots that just put in time.

The teacher/student interaction is where it is. The entire shool system needs to be geared to make that experience the best possible.

I agree with Rob, we need to keep our school money in the school system. Funneling it off to homeschoolers & some voucher system is not the answer.
What Up

Chambersburg, PA

#5 Apr 16, 2008
If we don't have competition we have the government running everything. Question this in fifty years what will the government not be running.
Dave

United States

#6 Apr 16, 2008
We still have other schooling options. Our tax dollars shouldn't pay for them
Mrs Smith

Chambersburg, PA

#7 Apr 16, 2008
Dave wrote:
We still have other schooling options. Our tax dollars shouldn't pay for them
Dave, your the one who needs educated. The majority of homeschooling families are not "cyber" schooled by computers hooked up to the district. The last thing these families want is anything to do with the district.

The families that homeschool at Mason Dixon do indeed pay for all their homeschooling books, materials and everything else that is needed. They do not get any tax breaks such as public school teachers get. So they are paying both taxes for other kids to be educated at public schools and for their own at home.

For some reason you have a bad outlook on homeschoolers, why is that Dave?
HS Mom

Chambersburg, PA

#8 Apr 16, 2008
Thank you, Mr. Barnes for the well written article on the forum at Mason Dixon. Mr. Taylor and Mr. Curly both did an excellent job at answers the questions on education and other issues.

As a family we have sacrificed so that we can afford to homeschool. Cirriculum costs can be hundreds of dollars per child. The quote above of homeschooling families "suck hundreds of thousands of dollars away from taxpayers" is untrue. I don't know where this person got his information from, but it is incorrect.
Mary Hud

Landisburg, PA

#9 Apr 17, 2008
Dave wrote:
Do these two know how much Home Schooling costs our schools?
This entire system is one hugh scam. These aren't all kids sitting around the kitchen table while mommy tells them about addition. These are kids who sit at computers that we buy & using software that we pay for.
We already pay for a building staffed with teachers. Why should we also have to fork over money for this form of private schooling. Do we pay for those who want to send their kids to traditional private schools - no.
When we are all looking at tax increases, these home schoolers are sucking hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars away from our schools.
We need to end funding home schooling. We should make sure these kids are properly educated & charge the parents for the monitioring.
This is a danger of Taylors far rigt wing stances & Curley's ignorance of the subject.
Perhaps you are not aware that homeschooling is a phrase that is being co-opted by those who use publicly funded cyber-charter schools? Homeschoolers in the context addressed at this forum are those who educate their children under section 1327.1 of the PA School Code. Not only do they get *no* money from the state or the federal governments, but they purchase *all* the materials they use *and* are required by law to hire an evaluator at the end of the school year to prove their children are being educated. Furthermore, they must provide out of their own funds for testing in certain grades. Please do not paint all who call themselves homeschoolers with the same broad brush!
Dave

United States

#10 Apr 17, 2008
I apologize to the mason dixon group. I was not aware of that particular group and only familiar with the cyber school aspect.

I have concerns about home schooling. What are your qualifications to teach?
Lynda

United States

#11 Apr 17, 2008
Dave, you seem to have lots of concerns about the folks in PA and their tax money.

Parents using cyber schools are taxpayers. Parents using private schools are taxpayers. Parents doing *real* homeschooling are taxpayers.

Why should they support someone else's choice?

And, why all the concern over what is happening in PA using PA taxpayers' dollars?
Mary Hud

Landisburg, PA

#12 Apr 17, 2008
Dave wrote:
I have concerns about home schooling. What are your qualifications to teach?
I am their mother, that is my qualification. Certification is no guarantee that an individual is capable of teaching, only that the individual has completed a course of study and passed a test or two or three. Just in case you are wondering, the evidence is in and homeschoolers are well equipped for life in this century - many are courted by colleges and employers love them.
V Clark

Wilmington, DE

#13 Apr 18, 2008
Mary Hud wrote:
<quoted text>
I am their mother, that is my qualification. Certification is no guarantee that an individual is capable of teaching, only that the individual has completed a course of study and passed a test or two or three. Just in case you are wondering, the evidence is in and homeschoolers are well equipped for life in this century - many are courted by colleges and employers love them.
I couldn't agree more. I sincerely believe that the vast majority of parents will do what is right and best for their own offspring, given the freedom to do so. The "public good" has far less to gain by limiting parental rights than it stands to lose. The right of parents to make educational choices for their children is a fundamental right, that in the interest of our whole society should be protected.
Dave

United States

#14 Apr 18, 2008
I believe the State of Pennsylvania meets it goals of provide an education by establishing our public school system.

If you choose not to partake, then you are on your own. Period.

Being a mother doesn't really quality anyone to be a teacher.

The good of the child over rides the right of the parent in a lot of issues other than education. You should need to prove that you can provide a education.

I am not a fan of home schooling. I think a lot of parents home school for some particular reason and it is not quality of education.
Allen

Newville, PA

#15 Apr 18, 2008
To the moderator; I posted an extensive comment in this topic last night at midnight. It has not shown up. If possible, I would like to know what happened to it and would like a copy back.

Thanks, Allen
Isaiah

Newville, PA

#16 Apr 18, 2008
Dave wrote:
I believe the State of Pennsylvania HAS MET itS goals of providING an education by establishing our public school system.
If you choose not to partake, then you are on your own. Period.
Being a mother doesn't really qualiFy anyone to be a teacher.
The good of the child oveRRides the right of the parent in a lot of issues other than education. You should need to prove that you can provide a education.
I am not a fan of home schooling. I think a lot of parents home school for some particular reason and it is not quality of education.
Dave,

I'm a 16yr old home schooler from PA. I would like to know where you got YOUR education, because your grammar and punctuation is atrocious. And quite obviously, so is your common sense.
Susan

United States

#17 Apr 19, 2008
Dave wrote:
I believe the State of Pennsylvania meets it goals of provide an education by establishing our public school system.
If you choose not to partake, then you are on your own. Period.
Being a mother doesn't really quality anyone to be a teacher.
The good of the child over rides the right of the parent in a lot of issues other than education. You should need to prove that you can provide a education.
I am not a fan of home schooling. I think a lot of parents home school for some particular reason and it is not quality of education.
I can appreciate your concerns, Dave, especially in light of the confusion about cyber-schooling and homeschoolers.

There have been quite a few studies that show that home educators are very successful in providing an education for their children. The idea that mommy sits at the table teaching Jr. and Sissy is an invalid stereotype. What home educators do is determine and direct their children's educations, and this can take MANY forms.

There have also been studies to investigate the value of certification, and most have found the certification process sadly lacking in quality or assurance of the ability of those who teach.

In a sense, home education self-selects for quality. Those who embrace it whole-heartedly and are doing well stick with it, and those who realize that it isn't their cup of tea go back into the system or to private schools. Ultimately, parents should be given the choice to pursue options that they feel are best for their children. I am very happy to be on my own with my kids, and don't need the state to be my nanny, give me money, or pat me on the back.
Follow The Money

Jerome, PA

#18 Apr 19, 2008
Dave wrote:
I believe the State of Pennsylvania meets it goals of provide an education by establishing our public school system.
If you choose not to partake, then you are on your own. Period.
Being a mother doesn't really quality anyone to be a teacher.
The good of the child over rides the right of the parent in a lot of issues other than education. You should need to prove that you can provide a education.
I am not a fan of home schooling. I think a lot of parents home school for some particular reason and it is not quality of education.
For once I agree with Dave. I see too many young kids at Jims Country Market, and working on farms during the week. I asked once why they were not in school, their answer was that they were "home schooled". A kid misses out on too many social issues, good and bad, to be home schooled. Also I don't know many parents that are qualified to teach Chemistry, Trig, Biology, English to their children.
Isaiah

Newville, PA

#19 Apr 19, 2008
Follow The Money wrote:
<quoted text>For once I agree with Dave. I see too many young kids at Jims Country Market, and working on farms during the week. I asked once why they were not in school, their answer was that they were "home schooled". A kid misses out on too many social issues, good and bad, to be home schooled. Also I don't know many parents that are qualified to teach Chemistry, Trig, Biology, English to their children.
Those kids are likely to be doing their studies in the evenings or early mornings before they go about their work routine. Of course a farmer or small marketer is going to pass his knowledge of farming/packaging/selling techniques on to his kids! Someone is going to have to do it in the future. Or would you rather we all eat cardboard tainted food from overseas, my friend?

Even so, itís probably not wise to base your opinion of home schoolers on one or two encounters.

Who says we are isolated from the rest of the world by doing home school? We attend social events just like anyone else. And even if we were isolated, at least we would be avoiding things like drugs, bad peer pressure, school violence and shootings, bullying, teachers who are not authorized to discipline (and may also be pedophiles or sexual perverts, ew...) etc. that often come along with the public school experience.

Furthermore, a parents teaching ability should not be determined by whether or not he or she has a degree in teaching. I for one would certainly not argue that a degree is a guarantee of great teaching ability, nor would I argue that not having a degree is a sign of lack of ability to teach. Parents have taught their work ethics and techniques to their own kids at home throughout all of history, and look where we are now; living in a free country with electricity, light bulbs, food, and in good health due to people like Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Tom Edison, George Carver and Clara Barton. Yes, they were all home schoolers at one point. Didnít you fellows do your history in public school?
Isaiah

Newville, PA

#20 Apr 19, 2008
Sorry, this comment section will not let me put everything in one post.:D

Education can most certainly be achieved in a home school environment, because the fact is education is not just getting high test scores, memorizing facts or regurgitating others ideas. Itís being able to achieve and excel in society, to expand on others ideas, and eventually coming up with ideas of your own. And quite frankly, public school does not always provide the kind of environment and teaching that is needed for that kind of growth. Itís just not able to ensure that education is well-rounded and not just based on their test and curriculum scores.

To sum it all up to personal experience; I do junior counseling at a local camp three weeks out of the summer, each of those weeks with different kids. One of those weeks we had a group of kids from an area where home/private school is a prominent form of education. The next week we had a group of kids that came from an area where public school is prominent. Considering your mentality, you would find the differences in self-conduct, maturity, and knowledge hard to believe. During the public school week, I and other counselors had to break up multiple physical and oral fights, tell kids to watch their language and behavior on numerous occasions, and literally teach them how to read. The other weeks were quite the opposite; the kids were polite and friendly, didnít fight each other to the point of fisticuffs, and knew how to read. Of course we had bad apples in both groups, but you get the picture. In case you are wondering, they were both from the same age groups; 6-8.

I am going back this summer, and if anyone wants me to record this information to exacts through polls etc. let me know and I will be happy to do so, because I know that I am likely to come out with the same results as stated.

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