Pennsylvania farmers to get new equip...

Pennsylvania farmers to get new equipment rules soon

There are 96 comments on the Public Opinion story from Feb 23, 2010, titled Pennsylvania farmers to get new equipment rules soon. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

Soon after Monday, Pennsylvania farmers will be subject to some of the federal rules that regulate commercial trucking -- jeopardizing the age-old practices of having neighbors help during harvest or younger family members drive on the farm.

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Bill Smith

Charleston, SC

#88 Feb 24, 2010
Really wrote:
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More than likely smoke it too, by the comments you make.
Yet another pathetic ad hominem.

I'm self sufficient and you try to insult me for it.
UNALIENABLE

Whitehall, PA

#89 Feb 24, 2010
Do I have the RIGHT to live? YES. Do I have the right to have a job to be able to live ? YES. Do I have the right to compete and move up in my job? YES. Do I have the right to travel to get to my job? Yes. Do I have the right to travel in order to get supplies for my house or to get medical attention? YES. in order to accomplish this I HAVE to be able to use my automobile to do this. It is a neccessity and a right, not a priveledge. When this country was formed we used horses to travel. We no longer use horse to travel by the ordinary means of travel. We’ve always had the right to travel by other means than walking. Just imagine if you were living in 1745 and the British government said we are no longer allowed to travel by horse unless we paid taxes on the horse to be able to travel. It’s stupid! Not only that it’s criminal to take someones horse because we NEEDED it in order to live and make a living the same way we now NEED automobiles in order to live and make a living. The constitution doesn’t come right out and say we have the right to drive but with many cases from the supreme court it shows that our most basic right is the right of liberty. The constitution also doesn’t come right out and say we are allowed to have guns. It says we have the right to bare arms. The people who wrote the constitution were not stupid. They left it open to interpretation because they knew that there would be advancements in how guns and other weapons were made. Otherwise they would have written into the constitution that we have the right to bare musketts ( specific). We also have the right to travel to other countries by way of airplane which the supreme court says. This means we have the right to use technology and engineering to advance our rights.
Path Valley

Pittsburgh, PA

#90 Feb 24, 2010
And where are all the Amish/Mennonites in this with the young kids driving buggies, wagons, machinery on the roads and never moving over. Time to have the Amish have some age rules, drivers tests and above all a license, along with a manure scoop. If you drop it you stop and clean it up!!!!!
Embarrassed

Minneapolis, MN

#91 Feb 25, 2010
Wow, I'm not sure were to start. How about this? You brought it on yourselves. No, I don't mean all farmers. It is the age old problem. A few bad apples ruined it for the rest. The modern, big business farmer has, for too long, taken advantage of the privleges that the farming families have enjoyed for decades. For instance, they take mamoth sized liquid fertilizer trucks all over the county, driving miles from their location blocking traffic completely as the trucks take almost both lanes. Then as they exit a field, they fail to turn the equipment off in time to stop the s*** from covering a quarter mile of public road in additition to the miles of mud chunks. This, by the way, illegal. And in turn it causes people to have to spend time and money cleaning up their cars, many times right after just doing the same. Then there is the grain trucks that run uncovered and deposite dust and debris. This is also illegal. The point in all of the above is that you use and abuse the roads but think you shouldn,t have to help pay for them. Aren't you special? Then there is the guy that waves you pass but low and behold, he almost side swipes you as you pass because he can't control the swaying of his either old and unmaintaned equipment or is pulling two and three wagons at once. As for license, other businesses have to have it and so should you. As for working so hard, so do many other business owners that work from sun up to sun down and after trying to keep their business afloat. And the families that hold down two and three thankless, low paying jobs to make ends meet. And on and on; all of whom must pay taxes and licensing fees to do so. Screw your crying "talk with your mouth full, you'll starve without us bull. You'll drown in garbage if the sanitation people quit. You'll freeze, your equipment won't run and anything plastic will not be available to you if the fuel people don't work. Your job is important but just like the teacher's claim, you are not any better than the rest of us hard working people that have to pay our way and follow the rules. Get off your high horse and stop expecting special treatment like the lefties you so like to ridicule. A lot of us are sick of it.
Embarrassed

Minneapolis, MN

#92 Feb 25, 2010
And now my latest rant, the milk truck driver. Again, I realize it is a few bad apples, not all. I was almost killed by a milk truck recently and wouldn't you know the very same guy about caused me to wreck a few days later. The first time he was traveling passed the Target DC on Guilford coming over the bridge. He had to be doing at least sixty if not more. It is a blind area and the DC's exit is right after the bridge. This is where I was cautiously looking both ways several times before pulling out. It is a must. He actually had to swerve and about lost control of his truck. If that were not bad enough, as he came to the stop light, he had to slam the brakes and slid to avoid going through the light. The second time he was parked along the creek on Loop road. He pulled out without ever looking. I was less than a car length away. Talk about evasive maneuvers. He proceded to head across the bridge and toward the houses were you go straight through at the stop sign. In both cases, he never blinked an eye or stopped to say sorry or ask if I was ok. By now, you or someone here knows who you are. I could have easily turned him in, I'm not sure why I didn't come to think of it. Maybe I still have a bit of that "it's a farmer, let him go" indoctrination stuck in my head. Well, no more. You got lucky this time. This is another example of why things are being changed. Thank guys like this.
Embarrassed

Minneapolis, MN

#93 Feb 25, 2010
Before the hate mail and crying starts; yes, I grew up farming on several locale farms here and in Carlisle. I will also agree that this particular bill most likely has too much garbage in it. However, it is about time you all pay your fare share as far as license, tax and road responsiblity goes. So your excuses and "way back when" rhetoric don't fly with me. Been there, done that. Things change, times change, populations grow, traffic increases and we all have to adjust. Deal with it. Whew! I feel better now. Besides that, thanks to all the hard working, honest and conscientious farmers out there, as well as, thanks to all who work hard to keep this world ticking. It takes many people and jobs to make the world turn, not just one.
George

Sterling, VA

#94 Feb 25, 2010
UNALIENABLE wrote:
“The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived.” Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.
(the big one)
“The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.
“The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment.” Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.
“The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right.” Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.
This is the part of the new rules that I kind of agree with. Nobody is preventing the farmer from transporting his goods to market, but they are requiring him to meet the same standards any other person transporting his goods have to meet. If a farmer has to get out on Route 30 with a dump truck, animal trailer, or flatbed truck to take his product to market, wouldn't you rather know that he has checked the equipment to verify it is safe to be out on Route 30 and he knows how to drive it? I see that as a matter of public safety. However, making him fulfil those rules for moving his machinery around on back roads and amongst his fields is off limits, IMO.
Barbara

Ephrata, PA

#95 Feb 25, 2010
Applying commercial trucking regulations to farm equipment is ridiculous. Commercial truckers need to be medically certified, inspect their rigs, and keep logs because they travel 100s of miles for hours at a time. The farm vehicles and tractors that belong to family farms are almost exclusively local. This is just one more regulation designed to put small farms at a disadvantage to big businesses that promote these type of regulations to destroy any competition for the consumer dollar.
Another example is the recently canceled National Animal ID System that they are looking to resurrect under a different name because of fierce opposition from small farms, private livestock owners and organic consumers who understood that it only benefited international exporters.
Bill Smith

Charleston, SC

#96 Feb 25, 2010
Barbara wrote:
Applying commercial trucking regulations to farm equipment is ridiculous. Commercial truckers need to be medically certified, inspect their rigs, and keep logs because they travel 100s of miles for hours at a time. The farm vehicles and tractors that belong to family farms are almost exclusively local. This is just one more regulation designed to put small farms at a disadvantage to big businesses that promote these type of regulations to destroy any competition for the consumer dollar.
Another example is the recently canceled National Animal ID System that they are looking to resurrect under a different name because of fierce opposition from small farms, private livestock owners and organic consumers who understood that it only benefited international exporters.
People never consider the unintended consequences of fascist laws.
Pa Farmer

Chambersburg, PA

#97 Feb 26, 2010
It is my opinion that this Pa state government sold out a long time ago to out of state big AG! These regulations are just another example of an ongoing effort of our state government driving out all of the competition (Independent Local Family Farmers) for the benefit of those out of state corporations that contribute large sums of money to buy and to get those crooks we call our state government elected. Just go and look at our state legislators that run the Ag committees, then look at who contributes the most to their election campaigns. It is all on the net. When you add it all up, the local family farmer is losing more and more everyday! Not because they work any less, but because all of these regulations added up makes for a slow death! Come each election, vote them all out of office! Take back our rights to live our lives locally without outsiders stealing it away from us! Pa. is not DC, it is not even Harrisburg... it a Commonwealth!
Think about it! Do you think any farmer is going to put their family member or for that matter anyone in harms way by letting someone run equipment they can not handle! If one would, we already have laws to take care of the results! We don't need more regulations stealing even more pennies out of every dollar we try to make to survive!
Pa Farmer

Chambersburg, PA

#98 Feb 26, 2010
Here's for all of you cotton pickin regulations...
http://www.deere.com/en_US/ProductCatalog/FR/...
Go buy one of these and let your 4 year old drive it down the road! Yea Right. Get real and leave us alone. No more regulations!
More Farmer Welfare

United States

#99 Feb 26, 2010
These farmers have gone beyond the bucolic tranquil farming of decades past. They are now concentrated mini industrial operations that terrorize the local community with smells, pests, dragging of mud and dirt on roads, etc.... It is time that they start to compete like all business and be treated the same. The last time I had smells coming from my business, I had to abate them.
George

United States

#100 Feb 26, 2010
More Farmer Welfare wrote:
These farmers have gone beyond the bucolic tranquil farming of decades past. They are now concentrated mini industrial operations that terrorize the local community with smells, pests, dragging of mud and dirt on roads, etc.... It is time that they start to compete like all business and be treated the same. The last time I had smells coming from my business, I had to abate them.
Please tell us how you are "terrorized" by a little bit of mud and dirt on the roads. AWWWWW, did your clean car get a speck of dust on it, so you have to wash it again? Most family farmers are using tractors that are at least 20 years old (if not 40 years old), and they spend all their "free" time keeping those tractors maintained and running because they can't afford a new $100K tractor.

The small farmer is not a "mini industrial operation", and you know it. Certainly you can't be THAT clueless.
I Feel Your Pain

Landisburg, PA

#101 Feb 26, 2010
George wrote:
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Please tell us how you are "terrorized" by a little bit of mud and dirt on the roads. AWWWWW, did your clean car get a speck of dust on it, so you have to wash it again? Most family farmers are using tractors that are at least 20 years old (if not 40 years old), and they spend all their "free" time keeping those tractors maintained and running because they can't afford a new $100K tractor.
The small farmer is not a "mini industrial operation", and you know it. Certainly you can't be THAT clueless.
Obviously he/she can. As far as smells, what do you expect when you move in next to a farm that has been there for a hundreed years or more? I'd rathere smell a little natural manure than the sewage plant in Chambersburg all the time. Or car exhaust. Tht stuff tears up my sinuses. That's why I don't move in town. I don't need to have something to whine about. If the methods that bring you food to your table don't please you, don't eat.
Embarrassed

Minneapolis, MN

#102 Feb 26, 2010
George wrote:
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Please tell us how you are "terrorized" by a little bit of mud and dirt on the roads.

That was a bit dramatic, however, I live on Crottlestown Rd. There are times when Shatzer, Crottlestown and Twin Bridge road is literaly turned to dirt. Not exagerating, you can't see pavement for miles. However, these local small farmers are correct when it comes to who the problem comes from, big AG. It is not the small local farmer that causes all the frustrations that we all get sick of, instead it is the big operations that take advantage of the priviledges that local small farms have enjoyed for years. Now, they are going to pay the price for it. Thanks again big business for your selfish greed and total lack of respect for this country and it's people.
Gary neal

Salt Lake City, UT

#103 Jul 27, 2011
Is there are rule anywhere that farmers have to start switching their equipment over to natural gas engines? I heard that somewhere and I was wondering if it was true. Anyone have any thoughts, ideas? http://compressionsource.com

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