Two Teenage Boys Arrested in Georgia Baby Shooting Death

Mar 23, 2013 | Posted by: _-_Nope_-_ | Full story: gma.yahoo.com

Two teenage suspects, one as young as 14, have been arrested in the shooting death of a 1-year-old Georgia boy, who was killed as his mother pushed him in a stroller, police announced today.

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Sorry, but no one is speaking about 'white people' in this story.
Own it. Was two black young boys. Period. Face that!
That was a baby in a stroller. A baby! Got that?
When blacks stop getting everything handed to them, maybe then they will learn to respect themselves.
I normally don't speak out like this with this profile, but you friggin' pissed me off.
Own this: you just accused an entire race of people of having no self-respect and linked it to a horrifying murder.

Do you see the flaw in that logic? Where do you make the connection between your opinion that blacks have everything handed to them and the murder of a baby? Because I can see no logic in that statement.

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In following the comments here I notice that we are being subjected to the usual left-liberal garbage about how poverty in the Black community leads them to acts of violence against Whites. First of all, since when does poverty lead you to shoot a baby? Since when does poverty lead you to murder White people and sometimes to torture White people to death?
"Leftists"??

Low or poor education correlates with poverty. Poverty correlates with crime. This is not new news. It is not shocking information. EVERYONE knows this. It is a *fact*.

How often do you see people from a middle-to-upper class background shooting convenient store clerks or robbing gas stations? You only do that sort of thing out of desperation. Living in poverty is a desperate situation. A lot of us who are no living in poverty cannot understand that feeling. We are active participants in society. We are respected. We have a little money. We do not have very many worries about where our food is going to come from next month. And we assume we will be taken seriously and treated with respect.

When you come from a family that has nothing you do not have that same sense of place in the world. You lack that sense of being invested, being respected, being a contributor to society. You lack any sort of deep investment in your education or your future. And *that* is one of the drivers of crimes of opportunity, violent and otherwise.

The race issue is only relevant insofar as we have a history of racial disparity. When you map poverty and correlate it with race you find that blacks are disproportionately poorer than whites. And *that* is why you see a difference in the opportunistic crime rates between the races. And that sort of in-the-moment crime is the bulk of crime.

There's nothing "leftist" about these facts. They might be inconvenient for a person who prefers a nice crisp black/white reality but inconvenience is not a factor that reality cares to consider.

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Texas has a much lower crime rate than the states that don't execute....just sayin. Yea these little bastards need to be punished to death.
Where are you getting your information? Texas seems pretty typical, actually. It is not the lowest state by far, nor is it the highest.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-...

Most states have seen a pretty dramatic drop in murder since the 90s. This could be in part due to the affect of legalized abortion. 18-24 years after abortion became legal we started to see a drop in violent crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_aborti...

Non-death penalty states have lower murder rates in general. The differences aren't jaw-dropping in every case, but they are pretty clear and consistent. So that, to me, indicates the death penalty is not a very effective deterrent to violent crime.

Couple that with the fact that innocent people have been executed many times in the past and the fact that capital punishment is expensive and I'd argue that we don't need it.

It has nothing at all to do with having sympathy for murderers. I'd sooner see the murderer in this case be put to sleep than anything else. But we need to think about how to reduce crime, not how to punish people.
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The last three posts are the same specious arguement that liberal manipulators have been selling for years. There are elements of truth but there are also obese low income or poor folks in America
With WIC, welfare, food stamps and every other government hand out, hunger comes from neglect, not a lack of provision. Education is rejected in favor of "taking" from the white man.
Liberal politicians are happy to have it so as long as the own that block of voters.

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"Leftists"??
Low or poor education correlates with poverty. Poverty correlates with crime. This is not new news. It is not shocking information. EVERYONE knows this. It is a *fact*.
How often do you see people from a middle-to-upper class background shooting convenient store clerks or robbing gas stations? You only do that sort of thing out of desperation. Living in poverty is a desperate situation. A lot of us who are no living in poverty cannot understand that feeling. We are active participants in society. We are respected. We have a little money. We do not have very many worries about where our food is going to come from next month. And we assume we will be taken seriously and treated with respect.
When you come from a family that has nothing you do not have that same sense of place in the world. You lack that sense of being invested, being respected, being a contributor to society. You lack any sort of deep investment in your education or your future. And *that* is one of the drivers of crimes of opportunity, violent and otherwise.
The race issue is only relevant insofar as we have a history of racial disparity. When you map poverty and correlate it with race you find that blacks are disproportionately poorer than whites. And *that* is why you see a difference in the opportunistic crime rates between the races. And that sort of in-the-moment crime is the bulk of crime.
There's nothing "leftist" about these facts. They might be inconvenient for a person who prefers a nice crisp black/white reality but inconvenience is not a factor that reality cares to consider.
You present the same old lectures about the correlation between poverty and crime that we have heard all along. Yet cause and effect are never as clear and obvious as the "liberals" think. Remove the poverty, remove the disparities, and you have harmony and peace, right? Wrong. It is precisely this kind of narrative that is being promulgated all over the country, influencing the minds of students to think that it is all the fault of some alleged quality known as "White privilege." That is why Nkosi Thandiwe shot three White women, killing one, paralyzing another.
That is only one case, but the pattern was established long ago. The Left has always believed that utopia was just around the corner. They believed this already three hundred years ago, after the scientific revolution. Just figure out the rules of Physics 101 and we can cure all human problems. Then, when things turn out to be far more complicated, they look for someone to blame. In the French Revolution, the culprits were the Catholics, who were murdered by the thousands. Later it was the Jews, or the peasants, and we know where that led. Today it is "rich people," or "rich White people," and the same search for simple answers leads to the same results. So we see the slaughter of White people, ostensibly to avenge past wrongs, while the MSM does everything they can to conceal the facts.
This one case is too egregious to be concealed, but the pattern remains. Poverty does not lead to mass murder, at most it will lead to the occasional robbery. But poverty does not lead to mass murder, or the kind of atrocity we saw in Knoxville a few years ago. And Knoxville is just one case, there are many more, not all as gruesome, but equally tragic. What leads to mass murder is the constant repetition of the same simple narratives that lead to resentment against people who are seen as being "privileged" in some way. It is not about a nice crisp black and white reality. It is about discovering the whole truth, and the truth is always far more complicated than we think.

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Own this: you just accused an entire race of people of having no self-respect and linked it to a horrifying murder.
Do you see the flaw in that logic? Where do you make the connection between your opinion that blacks have everything handed to them and the murder of a baby? Because I can see no logic in that statement.
Exactly, I did just that.

Don't you think white people living in America today get tired of hearing.. they owe black people an apology for something they hadn't any control of?(slavery)

Do you think it right that if a white person speaks out or jests about the blacks they should lose their job, their livelihood?

Do you think white people should,'own it!'?

There isn't anything wrong with my logic. I am not making any other connection, but to show how it feels for white people.

All humans are born, and all humans die. There is not one human better than the other under the sun.
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Could this have been a gang initiation?
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Could this have been a gang initiation?
Reasonable thought, but with what we know it looks like a random attempted robbery.

What's odd about so many of these acts is the violence that's inflicted even when the victims comply.
Did any of you see the video of the large black man beating the little 80 year old white woman with his fists in the stairwell.
It was security camera footage but he delivered a prolonged beating to this little lady for no good reason. Extremely brutal.
I haven't seen that footage in awhile. That stuff usually disappears pretty quick. Of course it's racist to notice that he was black and she was white.

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This thing just doesn't add up! I bet in the end the mother and/or boyfriend did it. They supposedly shoot and kill a baby who can't ID them and not the mother who can! They shot the mother in the leg, and ear tip, but the ear tip wound has a scab!
And now the mother is trying get out of town, the father doesn't hate or blame the boys for supposedly killed his baby son.
Here ya go bro....any questions?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Teen-murder-susp...

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You present the same old lectures about the correlation between poverty and crime that we have heard all along. Yet cause and effect are never as clear and obvious as the "liberals" think. Remove the poverty, remove the disparities, and you have harmony and peace, right? Wrong. It is precisely this kind of narrative that is being promulgated all over the country, influencing the minds of students to think that it is all the fault of some alleged quality known as "White privilege." That is why Nkosi Thandiwe shot three White women, killing one, paralyzing another.
That is only one case, but the pattern was established long ago. The Left has always believed that utopia was just around the corner. They believed this already three hundred years ago, after the scientific revolution. Just figure out the rules of Physics 101 and we can cure all human problems. Then, when things turn out to be far more complicated, they look for someone to blame. In the French Revolution, the culprits were the Catholics, who were murdered by the thousands. Later it was the Jews, or the peasants, and we know where that led. Today it is "rich people," or "rich White people," and the same search for simple answers leads to the same results. So we see the slaughter of White people, ostensibly to avenge past wrongs, while the MSM does everything they can to conceal the facts.
This one case is too egregious to be concealed, but the pattern remains. Poverty does not lead to mass murder, at most it will lead to the occasional robbery. But poverty does not lead to mass murder, or the kind of atrocity we saw in Knoxville a few years ago. And Knoxville is just one case, there are many more, not all as gruesome, but equally tragic. What leads to mass murder is the constant repetition of the same simple narratives that lead to resentment against people who are seen as being "privileged" in some way. It is not about a nice crisp black and white reality. It is about discovering the whole truth, and the truth is always far more complicated than we think.
I agree with your very last sentence. But that's about it.

For one thing...who ever said *anything* about utopia?? I said poverty correlates with crime. And it does. And we have never eliminated poverty. So what are you going on about?

Are you telling me that you prefer a world in which some people live in poverty and are uneducated? You enjoy a world where those people, when they lack that basic feeling of being invested in society, go out and rob a gas station and maybe shoot the clerk?

Because I don't like that world. I'd like to improve that world.

Exactly what mechanism do you propose to put in place to change it? Killing people for crime and ignoring the problem that caused it in the first place?
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it will probably be found that they are subnormal intelligence. probably the whole family. life without parole

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Exactly, I did just that.
Don't you think white people living in America today get tired of hearing.. they owe black people an apology for something they hadn't any control of?(slavery)
Do you think it right that if a white person speaks out or jests about the blacks they should lose their job, their livelihood?
Do you think white people should,'own it!'?
There isn't anything wrong with my logic. I am not making any other connection, but to show how it feels for white people.
All humans are born, and all humans die. There is not one human better than the other under the sun.
No one has ever told me I owe them something for slavery. I'm white and male. Pretty much in the sweet spot of privilege, except I'm not also rich.

If you "jest" about blacks out of racial hatred or bigotry then sure, get fired. Good. If you meant to say it is wrong for people to lose their jobs for simply saying something innocuous then no that isn't right.

My problem with your post was that you labelled a race and you did it in relation to a heinous murder. I find that incredibly offensive and ignorant. And not helpful.

This murder happened and it can't be taken back. The guilty should be punished. But let's not saddle an entire subset of Americans with the crime. There are plenty of white people who commit heinous murders too.
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What was it that the AG said? Americans are cowards when it comes to discussing race.

There have been grevious injustices done to black folks in this country. We've worked hard in this country to right wrongs and make progress. The problem is now that we have gone too far in what was meant to be a good thing and have created a whole new set of problems.
Maybe we are at a tipping point where we can realize what has happened and with one more social correction actually level the playig field.

But, that's all wishful thinking on my part because the dems will never release these folks from the system that they've created in order to control and manipulate these poor people.
No, they'll keep them broke, stupid, with their hand out and voting democrat.
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Mother, her sister who is the 17 year old's aunt are incarcerated for lying to police by attempting to provide an alibi for the 17 year old shooter.
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How many more white children are we willing to sacrifice to keep up the lies of multiculturalism - which in truth is white genocide.

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I am editing this quote to illustrate a point:
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<quoted text>... bunch of stuff... Remove the poverty, remove the disparities, and you have harmony and peace, right? Wrong. <ERROR> It is precisely this kind of narrative that is being promulgated all over the country, influencing the minds of students to think that it is all the fault of some alleged quality known as "White privilege." That is why Nkosi Thandiwe shot three White women, killing one, paralyzing another... bunch of unrelated stuff ...
Right there where you see <ERROR> is where you went wrong. Now, if you could go back and provide some information to support your claim, we can continue with the discussion.
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Dear Lord.
I send my prayers to the mother. May God walk with her, because she isn't on an easy road right now.

You'll have to pardon me for not reading every reply in this thread, yet why is race even being discussed? Anyone from any race can be good or bad. Skin tone is not a factor.

Again, God bless.
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I've been watching this unfold and I want to know why the mother hasn't been hauled down to the station and questioned at length. Other "innocent" people have gone through numerous interrogations when something like this happens.

I cannot for the life of me believe that if these boys did the shooting, they were put up to it. Out of all the young black males in Glynn County, they just happened to be in a photo lineup, she just happened to pick them out, they just happened to have done it.

Her actions are NOT THAT OF A MOTHER WHO JUST WATCHED HER BABY DIE. There is so much more here than is being brought to light. Please tell me that they're just giving her enough time and rope to hang herself.

And for the record, I'm a staunch conservative, white female, CCW toting gun owner. I have no dog in this fight other than mother's intuition telling me that something's not kosher.

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No one has ever told me I owe them something for slavery. I'm white and male. Pretty much in the sweet spot of privilege, except I'm not also rich.
If you "jest" about blacks out of racial hatred or bigotry then sure, get fired. Good. If you meant to say it is wrong for people to lose their jobs for simply saying something innocuous then no that isn't right.
My problem with your post was that you labelled a race and you did it in relation to a heinous murder. I find that incredibly offensive and ignorant. And not helpful.
This murder happened and it can't be taken back. The guilty should be punished. But let's not saddle an entire subset of Americans with the crime. There are plenty of white people who commit heinous murders too.
I was making a point. As I am not against black or white, although both are known to get on my bad side.

Correct, my post was labeling a race, and correct it was in relation to a heinous murder. I meant it to sound offensive. I can only hope it was helpful. As I want to show some blacks how it feels to the whites when one thing goes wrong, they yell..'RACIST, UNFAIR'. Then they burn the town down, or riot in the streets. Why would they?

Was just a point being made. I am fully aware of what whites do. And when done to a black, the whole country is aware.

Am I using this thread to make that point, yes, I am.

My bad for offending you. There are so many times I am offended as well. But I would end up writing a tome to explain. Which I need not.

Will say this one time....something needs to be done with our children and how they are being raised. This is getting out of hand.

We need to revamp our school systems as well as welfare.

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