Restaurant sales hurt little by smoking ban

Jul 7, 2012 Full story: Wausau Daily Herald 13

When Wisconsin enacted a workplace smoking ban in 2010, the state's hospitality industry worried the move would drive away customers.

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Jeroma

Sussex, WI

#1 Jul 8, 2012
People already didnt smoke in most restaurants, so you article is pointless...

Since: Jun 12

London, Canada

#2 Jul 8, 2012
Jeroma wrote:
People already didnt smoke in most restaurants, so you article is pointless...
Very good point many chain restuarants such as McDonalds I have not seen smoking in them for one long time they are grab and goes with little time for a smoke and reason to. Many of them are drive through with smokers in the cars anyways. There are complaints of cars idleing in the lines causing pollution though some places also have a 5 minute idle law plus fine.

Yes Jeroma the article is pointless like so many on Topix but they get paid to feed their B.S. to the public something that should be banned.

Since: Jun 12

London, Canada

#4 Jul 8, 2012
HUH wrote:
<quoted text> Coming from a B.S. EXPERT like yourself I'd say you have it right.
Thanks very much, you can keep the B.S. you have earned it.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#5 Jul 8, 2012
Need A Light wrote:
<quoted text>
Very good point many chain restuarants such as McDonalds I have not seen smoking in them for one long time they are grab and goes with little time for a smoke and reason to.
FYI:
"In Staron, et al. v. McDonald’s Corporation (1993),9 plaintiffs brought an action in federal court in Connecticut under the American with Disabilities Act, arguing that the presence of tobacco smoke in the defendant’s restaurants prevents the plaintiffs from having the opportunity to benefit from the defendant’s goods and services. The plaintiffs, all of whom have adverse reactions when in the presence of smoke, also allege that the defendant’s restaurants are places of public accommodation under 42 U.S.C. 12181. They sought an injunction against smoking in the defendant’s restaurants,“thereby giving the plaintiffs equal access to said restaurants”. However, a district court judge dismissed the case.
"On 4 April 1995, the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit reversed the judgments of the district court, ruling that “we find that plaintiffs’ complaints do on their face state a cognizable claim against the defendants under the Americans with Disabilities Act”. The court noted:“the determination of whether a particular modification is ‘reasonable’ involves a fact-specific, case-by-case inquiry that considers, among other factors, the effectiveness of the modification in light of the disability in question and the cost to the organization that would implement it... We see no reason why, under the appropriate circumstances, a ban on smoking would not be a reasonable modification.” The Staron lawsuit was filed in March 1993; within a year, McDonald’s had announced its decision to ban smoking in all of its corporately owned restaurants."
http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/13/supp...
confederate1989

Hardinsburg, KY

#6 Jul 9, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
<quoted text>
FYI:
"In Staron, et al. v. McDonald’s Corporation (1993),9 plaintiffs brought an action in federal court in Connecticut under the American with Disabilities Act, arguing that the presence of tobacco smoke in the defendant’s restaurants prevents the plaintiffs from having the opportunity to benefit from the defendant’s goods and services. The plaintiffs, all of whom have adverse reactions when in the presence of smoke, also allege that the defendant’s restaurants are places of public accommodation under 42 U.S.C. 12181. They sought an injunction against smoking in the defendant’s restaurants,“thereby giving the plaintiffs equal access to said restaurants”. However, a district court judge dismissed the case.
"On 4 April 1995, the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit reversed the judgments of the district court, ruling that “we find that plaintiffs’ complaints do on their face state a cognizable claim against the defendants under the Americans with Disabilities Act”. The court noted:“the determination of whether a particular modification is ‘reasonable’ involves a fact-specific, case-by-case inquiry that considers, among other factors, the effectiveness of the modification in light of the disability in question and the cost to the organization that would implement it... We see no reason why, under the appropriate circumstances, a ban on smoking would not be a reasonable modification.” The Staron lawsuit was filed in March 1993; within a year, McDonald’s had announced its decision to ban smoking in all of its corporately owned restaurants."
http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/13/supp...
OSHA standard for indoor air quality for respirable particulate (not otherwise specified) for nuisance dusts and smoke. That standard is 5000 ug/m3 on a time-weighted average (8 hours a day, 5 days a week) and is intended to be protective of health over an average working life of 30 years!

Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)...It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded." -Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting Sec'y, OSHA

The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between secondhand smoke exposure and odor annoyance.

Source: http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library ....

If you actually read the surgeon generals report it used mostly "The evidence is suggestive but not sufficient to infer a causal relationship" and even then if you read page 21 they admit that the use of meta-analysis on observational studies is not a widely accepted and controversial practice and yet they do it anyway.

Accomodation for non-smokers were made it was called non-smoking sections.........prohibition isnt a cure its an agenda!

Since: Jun 12

London, Canada

#7 Jul 9, 2012
Jass in your brief case do you have numbers on the places with drive through's like McDonalds, as to who is responsible for litter on the highways and it's problems. Will you be protecting non- smoking children from this costly and dirty habit ???

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#8 Jul 9, 2012
Need A Light wrote:
Jass in your brief case do you have numbers on the places with drive through's like McDonalds, as to who is responsible for litter on the highways and it's problems. Will you be protecting non- smoking children from this costly and dirty habit ???
Maybe we should make littering illegal.

Oh wait!!! It already is. Mostly because of the filthy smokers who think the world is their ashtray.
Gene Autry

Frederick, MD

#9 Jul 9, 2012
I DO NOT SMOKE wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe we should make littering illegal.
Oh wait!!! It already is. Mostly because of the filthy smokers who think the world is their ashtray.
Maybe you should shut your filthy trap.

Oh wait!!! There are no maybe's about it. You really should shut your filthy tap.

You should also pull your fist out of your butt so that your brain can have a healthier CH4/O mix.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#10 Jul 9, 2012
Gene Autry wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you should shut your filthy trap.
Oh wait!!! There are no maybe's about it. You really should shut your filthy tap.
You should also pull your fist out of your butt so that your brain can have a healthier CH4/O mix.
Well, we can tell YOU are a smoker. How does it feel to suck on a paper tube filled with a poisonous weed with a fire at one and and an idiot at the other?
Gene Autry

Thiensville, WI

#11 Jul 9, 2012
Gene Autry wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you should shut your filthy trap.
Oh wait!!! There are no maybe's about it. You really should shut your filthy tap.
You should also pull your fist out of your butt so that your brain can have a healthier CH4/O mix.
Pull my butt out of my but with my fist!! RAGH!!! FFFSSDSSSSTTTTT!!!!!

Since: Jun 12

London, Canada

#13 Jul 9, 2012
Gene Autry wrote:
<quoted text> Pull my butt out of my but with my fist!! RAGH!!! FFFSSDSSSSTTTTT!!!!!
Hey Gene your back in the saddle again. out wher the ....
When you gonna let Champion have a talk with Jass & Frisbee ?
Gene Autry

Thiensville, WI

#17 Jul 10, 2012
Butthead wrote:
<quoted text> Gene's a girl's name.
So is Butthead!
LiveFreeOrDie

Yakima, WA

#18 Oct 14, 2012
Don't like cigarette smell, but am more worried about our constitution being diluted every day.

Fun how the "experts" can come up with such a rapid conclusion so quickly in certain cases. While if it is about putting down a pipe-line that coluld create 50K well paying jobs, the "environmental impact" studies need to be studied first by making studies over those by students studying to get another PhD and then walk into a push university job.

hmmmm, another example of government manuifacturing consensus and showing it down the sheeple's throat. Unfortunatwly, wayyy to many fools swallowed this bait in order to stick it to the smokers.

This time it was smoking, next time..... We will see. Shame on the mindless selfish fools who agitated for another small step towards a police state.

Ron Paul 2012

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