Wis. man accused of sex assault on wo...

Wis. man accused of sex assault on woman who passed out

There are 142 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 20, 2008, titled Wis. man accused of sex assault on woman who passed out. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

A Fond du Lac man is accused of sexually assaulting a woman who was passed out at a party in Waupun.

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HFU

Minneapolis, MN

#1 May 20, 2008
Too bad you're not an athlete, you might get into trouble being an average Joe..
Tom of Shakopee

United States

#2 May 20, 2008
Next this guy will be hanging out at the lock Fond Du Lac Cemetary looking for ideal candidates. How terrible is this. As for the woman, she should have more sense than to drink to a point of passing out. Both parties should assume blame to varying degree.
BTH

Hopkins, MN

#3 May 20, 2008
why go all the way to the cemetery when there is plenty of roadkill deer. I've read that they're into that type of stuff in that area.
jillhill

Kyle, TX

#4 May 20, 2008
What a PIG...Bet his mama is proud of him!
Kevin

Denver, CO

#5 May 20, 2008
Basically this story can be summed up as :

He is an a-hole
She is a dumbass

Both sets of parents can be proud of their spawn.

Consistent

Since: Mar 08

Zimmerman, MN

#6 May 20, 2008
Was he drinking too?

Was the " Alleged" assault after a "Ladies Night" at the local Pub?(You know..Ladies Night where the generous bar owners honor women with drink specials, because they care so much about them!
Or where the bar owners get the ladies in, loosen' them up with alcohol, make them more susceptable to a mans proposition, thus drawing in more men hoping to get "lucky").

If he was drinking, and she was drinking....why is his behavior criminal and not excused by his intoxication. But her behavior is excused because of her intoxication?

She cannot make a choice by law, because she was intoxicated. He will be Punished by law because intoxication is no excuse.

I want tosay double standard, but a standard needs to exist before it can be judged double!
employer

Eau Claire, WI

#7 May 20, 2008
Cut His Weenie Off,
phantom

Sacramento, CA

#9 May 20, 2008
In my utopia, the law is an eye for an eye. The punishment for this crime: Have a life term inmate assault him while he's passed out from intoxication.
Matt

Saint Paul, MN

#10 May 20, 2008
Does this woman have no friends? Talk about not looking out for one another.

What if she passed out while they were doing it? What if she was so drunk that she pulled him in here...

Just trying to stir up some conversation... I'm sure he was in the wrong.
Suburban Mom

Cottage Grove, MN

#12 May 20, 2008
Consistent wrote:
Was he drinking too?
Was the " Alleged" assault after a "Ladies Night" at the local Pub?(You know..Ladies Night where the generous bar owners honor women with drink specials, because they care so much about them!
Or where the bar owners get the ladies in, loosen' them up with alcohol, make them more susceptable to a mans proposition, thus drawing in more men hoping to get "lucky").
If he was drinking, and she was drinking....why is his behavior criminal and not excused by his intoxication. But her behavior is excused because of her intoxication?
She cannot make a choice by law, because she was intoxicated. He will be Punished by law because intoxication is no excuse.
I want tosay double standard, but a standard needs to exist before it can be judged double!
She got drunk, he got drunk, but he is not charged with drinking. He was charged with sexual assault. Just because it was done under the influence (his and/or hers) doesn't make it OK.

We need to stop talking about "no" and start talking about "yes." It's time to make it clear to young men that the right to have sex with a woman does not happen if she doesn't say "no" but only when she does say "yes."
Del Capslock

Cresco, IA

#13 May 20, 2008
This is Wisconsin where a "man" was charged with having sex with a dead deer. Wisconsin: home of Ed Gein.
Is there anything unnatural in Wisconsin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein
Penny

Madison, WI

#14 May 20, 2008
This would never be charged in MN. The girl would be to blame for getting drunk while in the company of a male. Have been told as much by a local PD. It's the old story of a guy using whatever means at his disposal to get what he wants. Afterall it's just a young man acting out his fantasies like he's entitled to do. We live in a very perverse society when people really think this is okay. I don't. If she was not conscious enough to participate, then it is sexual assault. He would have done the same if it were a mentally incompetent or physically handicapped individual - same argument.
Consistent ExWife

Saint Paul, MN

#15 May 20, 2008
Consistent wrote:
Was he drinking too?
Was the " Alleged" assault after a "Ladies Night" at the local Pub?(You know..Ladies Night where the generous bar owners honor women with drink specials, because they care so much about them!
Or where the bar owners get the ladies in, loosen' them up with alcohol, make them more susceptable to a mans proposition, thus drawing in more men hoping to get "lucky").
If he was drinking, and she was drinking....why is his behavior criminal and not excused by his intoxication. But her behavior is excused because of her intoxication?
She cannot make a choice by law, because she was intoxicated. He will be Punished by law because intoxication is no excuse.
I want tosay double standard, but a standard needs to exist before it can be judged double!
Did you think this up all by your lonesome?
If you have time to think up things like this, you have time to work and send the check. The children are hungry and I'm tired of making excuses for you. As a parent, you have responsibility. Stop worrying about frat boys and young bimbos. Be a man.

And if you don't want to be a man, at least return my clothes.
Sarah

Saint Paul, MN

#16 May 20, 2008
Consistent wrote:
Was he drinking too?
Was the " Alleged" assault after a "Ladies Night" at the local Pub?(You know..Ladies Night where the generous bar owners honor women with drink specials, because they care so much about them!
Or where the bar owners get the ladies in, loosen' them up with alcohol, make them more susceptable to a mans proposition, thus drawing in more men hoping to get "lucky").
If he was drinking, and she was drinking....why is his behavior criminal and not excused by his intoxication. But her behavior is excused because of her intoxication?
She cannot make a choice by law, because she was intoxicated. He will be Punished by law because intoxication is no excuse.
I want tosay double standard, but a standard needs to exist before it can be judged double!
Con, a man who has to wait until a woman is unconscious in order to get sex is pretty much a loser.

That you're defending him says a lot about you.
Edd

Sheridan, WY

#17 May 20, 2008
Probably a Packer fan!
laughing

Minneapolis, MN

#18 May 20, 2008
Sarah wrote:
<quoted text>
Con, a man who has to wait until a woman is unconscious in order to get sex is pretty much a loser.
That you're defending him says a lot about you.
Anything to twist it around so it's the woman's fault, you know. It's all part of that whole "evil feminists constantly victimizing men" idea that he espouses.

Since: Apr 08

Saint Paul, MN

#19 May 20, 2008
Penny wrote:
This would never be charged in MN. The girl would be to blame for getting drunk while in the company of a male. Have been told as much by a local PD. It's the old story of a guy using whatever means at his disposal to get what he wants. Afterall it's just a young man acting out his fantasies like he's entitled to do. We live in a very perverse society when people really think this is okay. I don't. If she was not conscious enough to participate, then it is sexual assault. He would have done the same if it were a mentally incompetent or physically handicapped individual - same argument.
it still has to be proven beyond a reaonable doubt that she did not consent in any way.
AndrewEss

Waupun, WI

#20 May 20, 2008
The deer around these parts look awfully pretty compared to the women. You know we do a lot of illegal deer baiting in male groups, and it is not because we like being at home with the fox that turned into a cow.
As for the charge, sadly I believe an even better law being bubbletested which is the 5 second rule, withdraw on 'no' or it's rape, and that is without the alcohol. With the women around here this may lead to an awful lot of men being charged due to the fact that after slapping the flab at the base for the ride of the wave to the pleasure zone, men might be hard pressed to stop the waterbed effect, maybe we can invent an ejector method, or abort mechanism. On second thoughts women can do that anytime they want and still get paid. Heck they can even name any dad they want. The younger ones around here can't even remember how many or who, that would be interesting in court, now then young lady asks the judge, which one of these 50 men is the culprit. I don't know your honor, I would need a bag over my head to recognise them.
AndrewEss

Waupun, WI

#21 May 20, 2008
PS. The definition of rape by the newer VAWA is pretty broad and undefined, and due to the amount of money that can be made by the state it is in and of itself interesting. I believe even shouting or looking with interpreted intent can be considered rape, that is if the newer PC laws become effective.
Alt

Byron, MN

#22 May 20, 2008
Over here they have a saying,"Candy is dandy liqueur is quicker", kind of like in Wisconsin.

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