Is Watertown Better or Worse since Ft...

Is Watertown Better or Worse since Ft.Drum came?

Created by He Made So Many on Jan 24, 2010

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He Made So Many

Ithaca, NY

#1 Jan 24, 2010
I don't know about everybody else but before Ft.Drum came there were no crack houses. There were no drug murders. Our rents are alot higher. What good has Ft.Drum really done for Watertown?

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#2 Jan 30, 2010
higher cost of living and more welfare
He Made So Many

Ithaca, NY

#3 Jan 31, 2010
dominke wrote:
higher cost of living and more welfare
Bingo
None

New Albany, IN

#4 Feb 6, 2010
I thought the military bases were supposed to make communities safer?
none of ur business

Saint Johnsville, NY

#5 Feb 12, 2010
what does the military have any thing to do with the crack houses? or drug murders? most soldiers don't do drugs while there are some that do.... but u cant blame the military for the normal druggies that are around and for ppl who want more money for rent, i mean come on. blame the people who are actually selling the drugs and 96% they r not military!!!
He Made So Many

Ithaca, NY

#6 Feb 14, 2010
none of ur business wrote:
what does the military have any thing to do with the crack houses? or drug murders? most soldiers don't do drugs while there are some that do.... but u cant blame the military for the normal druggies that are around and for ppl who want more money for rent, i mean come on. blame the people who are actually selling the drugs and 96% they r not military!!!
Listen here somebody NOT from Watertown. I was was born and raised here and graduated from Watertown High etc.etc. Thing is before Ft. Drum came there were no crack houses. NO bad side of town and the most violence we had here were bar fights. Now there are murders and shootings and crack everywhere you look. I know what Watertown WAS and what it is no longer. I try not to be racist but Watertown was better off when it was 99.9% white. The Rents are DOUBLED because the military can pay them and we who live off the economy cannot. Watertown was better before Ft. Drum came. And if it left tomorrow I will be glad.
none of ur business

Lake Luzerne, NY

#7 Feb 15, 2010
Look, Now I am trying to see it from your point of view, if you took a look around - the world is getting worse, places where there were no drugs at 1 time are popping up, everywhere. I know my town was fine till everybody from pittsburgh came up. Then it began to be drug infested. But they were already drug dealers. people know ppl and it spreads. I do agree their are some druggies in the military but they are getting stricter and kick out more ppl than u realize for doing drugs. I see what you are saying about the rent being doubled, but i dont think the military is the reason for drugs or the murders. Rationally, the ppl who get caught or killed have nuthin really to do with military. but i understand what u are saying. I would feel the same as you if I was in your shoes.
He Made So Many

Ithaca, NY

#8 Feb 15, 2010
none of ur business wrote:
Look, Now I am trying to see it from your point of view, if you took a look around - the world is getting worse, places where there were no drugs at 1 time are popping up, everywhere. I know my town was fine till everybody from pittsburgh came up. Then it began to be drug infested. But they were already drug dealers. people know ppl and it spreads. I do agree their are some druggies in the military but they are getting stricter and kick out more ppl than u realize for doing drugs. I see what you are saying about the rent being doubled, but i dont think the military is the reason for drugs or the murders. Rationally, the ppl who get caught or killed have nuthin really to do with military. but i understand what u are saying. I would feel the same as you if I was in your shoes.
I just miss Watertown the way it was. Not all soldiers are druggies I agree. I was one once. It's just that the town I grew up in is gone and replaced by crack and heroin and murders and racial violence. I miss the old days
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Lake Pleasant, NY

#9 Feb 15, 2010
I really do understand that. It is a shame how such a good town anywhere can end up so bad. It's not to safe around for kids to play anymore. The other day a complete stranger I didn't even know threw a rock thru a window outside to the family room in the same room my 3 and 4 yr old were playing. Large rock, lots of glass.
He Made So Many

Ithaca, NY

#10 Feb 15, 2010
none of ur business wrote:
I really do understand that. It is a shame how such a good town anywhere can end up so bad. It's not to safe around for kids to play anymore. The other day a complete stranger I didn't even know threw a rock thru a window outside to the family room in the same room my 3 and 4 yr old were playing. Large rock, lots of glass.
Sad.
Watertown Native

United States

#11 Feb 17, 2010
What bugs me about Ft Drum is all the noise we heard about all the jobs and $$$ it would bring. Well, most of the new gov't jobs on Ft Drum went to military spouses (they get preference) and a LOT of the construction companies are from down south. Military personnel get a housing allowance that makes them able to pay higher rent and prices for housing, so the housing market is priced above most local folk's income. My daughter is a teacher and can't afford to rent her own place in the area; the same is true of most of her friends who are entry level professionals.

Maybe some day W'town will develop enough to attract some viable industry beyond those that surround military bases every where, but until then...

Now the state, which is supposedly bankrupt, is building a road from 81 to Ft Drum, at Fort Drum's convenience. The cheaper, faster, safer route would have been near exit 47, but Ft Drum wanted the northern route. So they get it. Largely at the expense of the NYS taxpayers, not the Feds.
blah blah

United States

#12 Feb 17, 2010
before fort drum was here the schools were alot safer,the rent was lower, the prices for houses were lower,not as much crime in the area,there as always been drugs but not all the main stream drugs that are here now.you may seam that it didnt come from the military but it did from there families and friends that moved up here with them or gis that got out and stayed here.
He Made So Many

Ithaca, NY

#13 Feb 17, 2010
blah blah wrote:
before fort drum was here the schools were alot safer,the rent was lower, the prices for houses were lower,not as much crime in the area,there as always been drugs but not all the main stream drugs that are here now.you may seam that it didnt come from the military but it did from there families and friends that moved up here with them or gis that got out and stayed here.
Exactly
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Saint Johnsville, NY

#14 Feb 18, 2010
i think im getting to see the point more now.
far from home

Wichita, KS

#15 Mar 9, 2010
Man, I understand what you mean on seeing your home town going to the dumps. My home town in Arkansas is going to sh*% because of meth and illegals. I was up at Drum for three years and boy I tell you I sure miss Watertown. We are now at Ft. Riley Kansas ( Junction City) and this place is DISGUSTING! I would give my right pinkie toe to go back to Watertown. I really like it there ( duh except for Febuary & March...snow when the flowers are "supposed" to be up for me anyhow) I miss the Northcountry :(.
Nice

Potsdam, NY

#16 Mar 9, 2010
Im amazed at how so many of you think that Ft.Drum has brought all the bad! It is not so, first of the rent is up everywhere not just here. And military does get a housing allowance,but that is as if it was part of their pay.( Military does not earn a lot of money)
But for the ignorant people that accuse any base on bringiing bad, that is uncalled for. And I salute the Military Soldiers!! Thank you so very much for our Freedom!Im glad to live here and not in some country where things could be worse. So stop complaining and enjoy your freedom!!
ghostrnd

United States

#17 Mar 10, 2010
I am a Watertown native and I currently serve as a Soldier stationed on Fort Drum. I remeber back when Fort Drum used to be Camp Drum. During that time there was no Salmon Run Mall or any of the many stores that fill the Plazas on Arsenal Street. The goverment of New York has doen an excellent job or running out any industry that was here in the past. High Taxes and a crappy economy is to blame not Fort Drum or the Soldiers stationed there. If it were not for Fort Drum and the welfare system in NY the local population would not survie.

“United”

Since: Jun 07

England

#18 Mar 10, 2010
He Made So Many wrote:
<quoted text>I just miss Watertown the way it was. Not all soldiers are druggies I agree. I was one once. It's just that the town I grew up in is gone and replaced by crack and heroin and murders and racial violence. I miss the old days
Fort Drum has been there since 1908... You must be quite old.
ghostrnd73

United States

#19 Mar 10, 2010
Sblime wrote:
<quoted text>
Fort Drum has been there since 1908... You must be quite old.
No dummy. Fort Drum has not been here since 1903. It was known as CAMP Drum until 1974 when it was renamed FORT Drum.

“United”

Since: Jun 07

England

#20 Mar 11, 2010
ghostrnd73 wrote:
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No dummy. Fort Drum has not been here since 1903. It was known as CAMP Drum until 1974 when it was renamed FORT Drum.
Oh wow, it had a name change. Actually, it's had 3 names. Stupid pratt!!!

Look it up for yourself.

Without Fort Drum, Watertown and the surrounding areas would be nothing. Retailers, housing, restaurants, motels...etc...thrive from Fort Drum.

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