Who will win Republican County Commis...

Who will win Republican County Commisioner primary

Created by County Voter on Oct 29, 2009

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Pittman

Liefer

Jerry

Malvern, AR

#61 Nov 10, 2009
Barack wrote:
Unions are all-take, no give. They negotiate solely for the benefit of the workers that pay dues, not for the betterment of the companies they work for. When's the last time a Union gave up something in their contract without wanting to have something equal or better take its place? "If we do this, then we get this in return". I've never seen it the other way around.
They simply slow down the pace of business and protect lazy and/or unqualified workers.
I believe they played a major role in the collapse of the auto industry. Employees leaving work orders on their desk all week while doing nothing, then coming in on Sunday to finish it and make triple time pay. Seen it a bunch...
I believe it's already been posted but the UAW's employees made BIG concessions trying to save the car industry. Many lost their jobs.
Voter

Waterloo, IL

#62 Nov 10, 2009
At least we agree on the Reitzs. I personally don't think there is a more self serving person then Pittman. Just my opinion.
Barack

Waterloo, IL

#63 Nov 10, 2009
Jerry wrote:
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I believe it's already been posted but the UAW's employees made BIG concessions trying to save the car industry. Many lost their jobs.
You mean the buyouts and $20,000 new car vouchers? It's not like they were fired. There were given pretty nice packages to leave. That just goes to show how much it costs to keep a union employee around if the Big 3 were willing to spend so much to let them go.
Johnny Tractor

Waterloo, IL

#64 Nov 10, 2009
Vote for neither one both are idiots and uneducated
Monroe voter

United States

#65 Nov 11, 2009
Pittman has a Master's Degree in Business Administration and a Master's Degree in Counseling.
Hardly uneducated.
Mary

Waterloo, IL

#66 Nov 11, 2009
It doesn't matter what kind of education they have, the most important issue is, Pittman has the Christian Coalitions support and we will get him elected.
citizen kane

Waterloo, IL

#67 Nov 11, 2009
Voter wrote:
At least we agree on the Reitzs. I personally don't think there is a more self serving person then Pittman. Just my opinion.
Then you don't know him. I know a local lady who was in need and he helpe dout way beyond what anybody else I know would. I'll call her and see if shee will post something here so you know the truth.
bought and paid for

United States

#68 Jan 7, 2010
Saw Liefer signs on Rt.3 near Schnucks. Liefer must be bought and paid for by Jay Hutch, George Obernagle and the others in the courthouse mafia...That's enough to make me vote Pittman.
Xxxx

New York, NY

#69 Jan 7, 2010
Hey xwat, I bet the top 5% make over 85% of the money in this country.
An American

Waterloo, IL

#70 Jan 8, 2010
Now back to the original question "Who will win republican county commissioner primary". When this great nation was established our forefathers figured into a plan where not all citizens where to run this government. So they set up a election system where we vote representatives to take THE MAJORITY of our ideas and causes and opinions to Washington. Through letters, communication, to our elected official and most important through our RIGHT TO VOTE.

The elected officials must set aside their personal view and honor and work for the MAJORITY of the people they represent. No three people Democrat or Republican should ever take this right away from us. If we were intelligent enough to vote these men into office then we should be intelligent to vote on important issues. Our soldiers fought and died and we the tax payers funded this privilege.

I personally feel there was something greater at stake with the levy tax. I firmly believe that the commissioners were under pressure THIS TAX MUST NOT FAIL that is why three men decided our fate. I am not a fan of Mr.Pittman at all. Hopefully this will be a valuable lesson to the Republic and Democrat parties here in Monroe County. The Democrat commissioner is not innocent of this at all so he is next to get out.
An American Also

Waterloo, IL

#71 Jan 8, 2010
What a bunch of baloney. The levy tax is a sales tax and will only cost me a few dollars a year at most. It is nothing compared to the tax increase Pittman supported as a member of the Waterloo District 5 School Board. Had he not supported and campaigned for the increase my taxes would not of gone up so much these past two years.
Voted

United States

#72 Jan 8, 2010
At least the scholl referendum was voted on and passed the the citizens...that's a lot more than i can say for the levee tax. And NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE LEVEE COST IS GOING TO BE! At least the school board had a budget before they started and stayed on budget. I'm voting for Pittman.
Just the facts

Columbia, IL

#73 Jan 8, 2010
Pittman personally and professionally pays the same taxes as the rest of us. He doesn't like paying taxes any more than anyone else. He employs Monroe Countians at his business and they do, too. We NEEDED a new school that is just the truth. It doesn't go away because you want it to and our kids deserve it. The community as a whole agreed, because they VOTED for it. If you haven't noticed our community is growing. My child graduated from the old W'loo HS and they could barely get through the halls, it was desperate. Expenses grow...taxes grow. Are you paying the same for ANYTHING that you purchase compared to 5 or 10 years ago. NO. He believes that smart business growth is the county will relieve the rest of us of the burden. He is darn smart and knows what he is talking about. Have you spoken to him yourself? I doubt it. Talk to him he is very approachable...I have spoken to both candidates. No comparison. My vote and everyone I talk to is voting for Mr. Pittman. Ask current board members what business they have brought to the county. I think it is zero.
Sold out

Columbia, IL

#74 Jan 8, 2010
The current commissioners will tell you one thing and do another. Pittman gets my vote
Agreed

Waterloo, IL

#75 Jan 8, 2010
Sounds like Pittman hired some people to post on here. The guy has no shame.
Just the facts

Columbia, IL

#76 Jan 9, 2010
Not in a million years. I posted on my own because I know both candidates. I guess if yours is looking inadequate, there must be a reason... other than his own shortcomings. It may be hard to believe, but the man, Pittman, that is has a lot of integrity. It really does still exist.
Oaktree

Waterloo, IL

#77 Jan 9, 2010
Pittman has my vote too. As others have mentioned, at least I was able to vote for the school taxes. My voice was not heard nor welcomed for the levy tax. All three commissioners were asked to let the citizens vote on the levy tax. These three chose to make their own decision instead of letting the voters decide. Well, now it is my turn to decide and I plan to vote Liefer out. In addition, at least I have something for my money in the form of a school that benefits thousands and all my taxes stay HERE instead of supporting some levy in St. Clair County!
Agreed

Waterloo, IL

#78 Jan 9, 2010
The levy tax is something that is extremely important. Will it take one of the levy's to breech for people to realize that they need repair?? Do people have to lose their lives before it becomes important? Pittman has very little experience. And if we are going to continue to discuss the school, take a look at Liefer's 10+ year school board record. I do not know either one of them personally, but I do my research before forming an opinion.
Reality Bites

Waterloo, IL

#79 Jan 10, 2010
xwat wrote:
<quoted text> Again all you Pro-Union people -do you really know what agenda your Union-Chiefs are pushing ???? When they spend and spend the union workers dues on Democratic Liberal politicians what are they pushing.Not just pro-union work related ideas.But also Pro-Abortion, ProGay marriage, Pro-Immigration, More Government, Higer taxes. So when the Dems get elected they are actually taking away any gains in their union contracts thru HIGHER TAXES. I worked a union job and now the Union -NOT ME controls my pension.Think it thru-don't let the Union Cronie(CHIEFS) feed you B.S.. If you don't like a job you can always switch.Don't expect a company to owe you everything-they only need to be fair and honest.With a union the bad worker gets paid the same as a good one. Is that fair ?????
This post is so full of lies and half-truths, I almost don't know where to begin. First off, Unions are forbidden by law from spending dues money on political campaigns. Most Unions use other means to raise political contribution money, usually through participatory events that are not compulsory for members. Unions support politicians that support working people, including some Rebublicans who don't toe the Union-hating RNC line.
Non-Union workers in right-to-work (for less) states make less than their non-union counterparts in Closed-Shop states. Union scale props up the wages of everyone and Unions are esponsible for the seatablishment AND maintenance of every pro-worker law that protects EVERY worker including OSHA and DOL. Union reps spend a lot of time holding government bureaucrats' feet to the fire and make them do their jobs. The executive branch of any State of Federal Government is free to enforce what laws they see fit and let other die on the vine by lack of financial support. Illegal immigration, for example. Before the current recession, there were over 20 million illegals in The U.S. and 1800 ICE agents to rack them down and enforce the law. Can you imagine a city of 20 million with only 1800 police officers? St. Louis has more than that at around 1/10 of the number of humans. So it's not a matter of how much tax money is collected, it's what that money is used for.
Unions have absolutely no stake in the abortion issue and in 35 years of Union membership I have not heard abortion mentioned ONCE at a meeting or in ANY Union- information. The same can be said for gay marriage, so your inclusion of these issues in a discussion about Union agendas is either ignorant or an out-and-out lie, much like Rudy Guliani's recent assertion that there were no terror attacks on domestic soil during the W admin, and Dick Cheney's lie that the Obama admin. is soft on terrorism when the worst attack in our history ocurred while he sat on his hands in an "undisclosed location" So take any political stand you feel comfortable with, but quit spreading lies and half-truths. It just makes you look like another ignorant bumpkin.
Reality Bites

Waterloo, IL

#80 Jan 10, 2010
Barack wrote:
Unions are all-take, no give. They negotiate solely for the benefit of the workers that pay dues, not for the betterment of the companies they work for. When's the last time a Union gave up something in their contract without wanting to have something equal or better take its place? "If we do this, then we get this in return". I've never seen it the other way around.
They simply slow down the pace of business and protect lazy and/or unqualified workers.
I believe they played a major role in the collapse of the auto industry. Employees leaving work orders on their desk all week while doing nothing, then coming in on Sunday to finish it and make triple time pay. Seen it a bunch...
Unions by law and by nature are charged with negotiating for their members, but the fallout generally benefits even those not represented. The old media image of "I'm in the Union , I don't have to produce, and you can't get rid of me" is a fantasy and those who believe it are liars or deluded. The UAW played a part in the collapse of the auto industry, but equal amounts of blame should go to the manufacturers themselves and the free-marketers who first open up our shores to competition who pays nowhere nearly as well and is not subject to the same laws and protections domestic makers are. Who cares if a plant in Korea dumps billions of gallons of PCBs into their water supply. Certainly not the Americans who think they are smart by buying Korean cars.
As far as Unions giving concessions, your statement is simply untrue. Many Union contracts in many industries have been re-negotiated to help employers compete. Smart Unions know they are in the same boat as their employers and negotiating in good faith with all cards on the table can assure neither the workers or the company gets screwed. If you put your employers out of business, who do you work for then? It's true some Unions have not acted wisely and bear responsibility for the current situation economics-wise. But to paint all Unions with the same brush is as short-sighted as painting all politicians or all religion as the same.

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