Way to many cops in Waterloo
No name

Galatia, IL

#103 Apr 22, 2012
To also add to my last post.

Marijuana may not cause people to get up and start brawling, but it is linked to other crimes. We fail to look at the people that steal to support their marijuana habits, are involved in shootings over pot, or breaking into other people's houses over pot. I have seen all of the above. I don't think that is a problem around Monroe County, but in bigger areas it is a problem. Unfortunately Monroe County is a very small population compared to others.
ahem

Brainerd, MN

#104 Apr 22, 2012
People steal to pay their cable bill, cigarettes, and gasoline too, they shoot each other over property lines and women, and break into houses to steal art, jewelry, and electronics. They beat each other up at sporting events, beat their kids just for being there, they steal cars, alcohol, and cell phones, and they steal from work to take smoke breaks. Man that's a long list just to get warmed up outlawing things people do wrong to each other over, and once you ban those things you created a whole host of underground criminal activites where its much harder to police them from the start and have a criminal element running them(and fighting over them) instead of above-board businesses paying taxes and following regulation. Any of this sound familiar?
No name

Galatia, IL

#105 Apr 22, 2012
ahem wrote:
People steal to pay their cable bill, cigarettes, and gasoline too, they shoot each other over property lines and women, and break into houses to steal art, jewelry, and electronics. They beat each other up at sporting events, beat their kids just for being there, they steal cars, alcohol, and cell phones, and they steal from work to take smoke breaks. Man that's a long list just to get warmed up outlawing things people do wrong to each other over, and once you ban those things you created a whole host of underground criminal activites where its much harder to police them from the start and have a criminal element running them(and fighting over them) instead of above-board businesses paying taxes and following regulation. Any of this sound familiar?
That is true, but more commonly theft related crimes, especially burglary, is to support their drug habits. Trust me from experience on this.
No name

Galatia, IL

#106 Apr 22, 2012
If we're going to compare and contrast though, let's look at things that are illegal, that show no potential danger.

A lot of pain killers show no real health hazards, but we need a prescription to take most. I guess we should leagalize them, some argue cocaine and crack have no serious effects unless taken in extremely high doses, owning a gun without a license, the legal age to have sex. A lot of these list things that "technically" are not dangerous and have no hazard. Should all of these be changed, absolutely not.

My point overall is the law must be obeyed, whether one agrees or not. I read an article not long ago over a CA University being raided of all marijuana. The university was supposedly in compliance and license to grow marijuana. If that's the case I completely disagree with the raid. Am I against pot, yes. Why, because it's illegal. I don't think bad of people who smoke pot, I just say it's illegal and enforce it. We can argue all day, but a crack head will have the same arguments for crack as people who smoke marijuana.
Prohibition creates crime

United States

#107 Apr 22, 2012
No name wrote:
If we're going to compare and contrast though, let's look at things that are illegal, that show no potential danger.
A lot of pain killers show no real health hazards, but we need a prescription to take most. I guess we should leagalize them, some argue cocaine and crack have no serious effects unless taken in extremely high doses, owning a gun without a license, the legal age to have sex. A lot of these list things that "technically" are not dangerous and have no hazard. Should all of these be changed, absolutely not.
My point overall is the law must be obeyed, whether one agrees or not. I read an article not long ago over a CA University being raided of all marijuana. The university was supposedly in compliance and license to grow marijuana. If that's the case I completely disagree with the raid. Am I against pot, yes. Why, because it's illegal. I don't think bad of people who smoke pot, I just say it's illegal and enforce it. We can argue all day, but a crack head will have the same arguments for crack as people who smoke marijuana.
The same arguements for crack and pot? I don't think so.

You are being paid to keep a closed mind on this subject, I understand. You have to rationalize what you do.

Again, look at the number of deaths per year for all drugs, there is no comparison. Pot doesn't kill.
Pain killers have no side effects?

You might want to look again at Jack Herer.com , or maybe Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.

You can lead a mind to knowledge, but you can't make it think.

Prohibition causes corruption, like Hilary said, "We can't legalize drugs, there's to much money in it."
Question is, to much money for who?

Pot doesn't create crime, the prohibition of pot creates crime.

Get pot off the street, regulate it.

No name

Galatia, IL

#108 Apr 23, 2012
Prohibition creates crime wrote:
<quoted text>
The same arguements for crack and pot? I don't think so.
You are being paid to keep a closed mind on this subject, I understand. You have to rationalize what you do.
Again, look at the number of deaths per year for all drugs, there is no comparison. Pot doesn't kill.
Pain killers have no side effects?
You might want to look again at Jack Herer.com , or maybe Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
You can lead a mind to knowledge, but you can't make it think.
Prohibition causes corruption, like Hilary said, "We can't legalize drugs, there's to much money in it."
Question is, to much money for who?
Pot doesn't create crime, the prohibition of pot creates crime.
Get pot off the street, regulate it.
I have given several credible sites stating the dangers of marijuana. I did not say crack doesn't kill, it does. So does marijuana. I said that a crackhead will say the same things for crack, that a pothead says for pot. The funny thing is I mentioned earlier that violence is associated with marijuana, then ahem replied well it's associated with several other things too. Let me just state this, I have arrested numerous people (not a few but a lot) that steal to support their marijuana habits. Next, I as well as many other officers around the country, have arrested pot dealers carrying guns. Obviously there are some problems associated with it. Most people don't see these problems around Monroe County, because it is a good area.

I am not trying to be close minded, but I am also not going to blindly listen to people that won't look at it from the other side. Monroe County is one of the most closed minded areas ever. Nobody realizes there is life outside of Monroe County. Lastly, calling me closed minded is not close to accurate. If you say a crackhead is wrong for saying crack is dangerous while you say marijuana is safe, that is closed minded. You as well as they have their arguments.

I'm about done posting on this. The topic was initially there were too many cops in Waterloo. That is obviously not the case. Then it turned to cops write bs tickets. My response was don't break the law and you won't get the ticket. Now it's pot should be legal. It is an opinion, and I for say am against it. I used to say pot should be legal until I, first hand, saw what it does.

Prohibition creates crime

United States

#109 Apr 23, 2012
No name wrote:
<quoted text>
I have given several credible sites stating the dangers of marijuana. I did not say crack doesn't kill, it does. So does marijuana. I said that a crackhead will say the same things for crack, that a pothead says for pot. The funny thing is I mentioned earlier that violence is associated with marijuana, then ahem replied well it's associated with several other things too. Let me just state this, I have arrested numerous people (not a few but a lot) that steal to support their marijuana habits. Next, I as well as many other officers around the country, have arrested pot dealers carrying guns. Obviously there are some problems associated with it. Most people don't see these problems around Monroe County, because it is a good area.
I am not trying to be close minded, but I am also not going to blindly listen to people that won't look at it from the other side. Monroe County is one of the most closed minded areas ever. Nobody realizes there is life outside of Monroe County. Lastly, calling me closed minded is not close to accurate. If you say a crackhead is wrong for saying crack is dangerous while you say marijuana is safe, that is closed minded. You as well as they have their arguments.
I'm about done posting on this. The topic was initially there were too many cops in Waterloo. That is obviously not the case. Then it turned to cops write bs tickets. My response was don't break the law and you won't get the ticket. Now it's pot should be legal. It is an opinion, and I for say am against it. I used to say pot should be legal until I, first hand, saw what it does.
Violence is associated with PROHIBITION.

One of the sites you suggested is a rehab webpage.

Where are the people that die from marijuana? You must be talking about the ones targeted by the swat teams.

Sugar kills many more people, and does more damage, than pot.

Get pot off the street, Regulate, where is the problem with that?
Swat This

Waterloo, IL

#110 Apr 23, 2012
Prohibition creates crime wrote:
<quoted text>
Violence is associated with PROHIBITION.
One of the sites you suggested is a rehab webpage.
Where are the people that die from marijuana? You must be talking about the ones targeted by the swat teams.
Sugar kills many more people, and does more damage, than pot.
Get pot off the street, Regulate, where is the problem with that?
Keep talking maybe you will one day believe what your saying yourself right now "you" do not EVEN REALLY believe it. Something has f----d with your thinking bad breast milk from mommy, sugar, or pot? Who knows ...... and no enough cops in Waterloo need more.
Rob

United States

#111 Apr 23, 2012
Eventually it is time to grow up and realize that you are the reason you are getting pulled over. Cops aren't out to get anyone, just people that are breaking the law. If you are paranoid, or ridingI dirty, then there is a reason to think there are too many cops lol
ahem

United States

#112 Apr 23, 2012
Marijuana doesn't kill. That's absolute bullshit. Someone stupid enough to operate intricate heavy equipment or handle electricity while they're too stoned maybe, but there's not a single documented case of marijuana overdose. Allergic reaction, maybe, but that's not an argument. Saying crack kills then saying weed kills shows just how diconnected someone is from reality and how little true insight they have. This guys either arguing for arguings sake(pretty much what all topix conversations are anyway) with a locked tight mind or running an investgtion through topix servers.
No name

Galatia, IL

#113 Apr 23, 2012
ahem wrote:
Marijuana doesn't kill. That's absolute bullshit. Someone stupid enough to operate intricate heavy equipment or handle electricity while they're too stoned maybe, but there's not a single documented case of marijuana overdose. Allergic reaction, maybe, but that's not an argument. Saying crack kills then saying weed kills shows just how diconnected someone is from reality and how little true insight they have. This guys either arguing for arguings sake(pretty much what all topix conversations are anyway) with a locked tight mind or running an investgtion through topix servers.
You're obviously not hearing what I was saying. I was saying I know crack heads that spill the same argument. I'm showing that people who use a drug do not believe it is dangerous. I do know crack kills. I have yet to find a case of someone overdosing on steroids, but I still believe they should be illegal. I doubt anyone knows the actual reasons pot was banned (except for those that voted). I'm not a locked tight mind, if I was shown some evidence as to why it should be legalized I'd be willing to change my mind. From what I've seen it does have it's dangers. There are several reasons pot could have been made illegal, 1) It's a performance enhancer (speaking with former athletes it is), 2)A majority of people wanted it banned, etc.

My point from the beginning is something is illegal for a reason. This thread started bashing police for prohibition of pot. It's the government you should tell your grievances to.
Redneck

Waterloo, IL

#114 Apr 23, 2012
Arguing with a cop over legalizing weed is like arguing with a fat girl about choosing a salad over the triple burger with cheese. You'll never get anywhere.

Course Sheriff Merle Justice over there in St. Clair county has gone on record about his agreement that weed should be legalized. His comments went something like this:

"I've been in law enforcement for XX years (like 40+) and I can say that I have never been, nor have any of my officer ever been, to break up a fight between a bunch of pot heads. On the other hand, if you were to ask me how many drunken brawls my officers and I have had to break up over the years, it would be an enormously high number".

So what does THAT tell you?
Buford Justice

Waterloo, IL

#115 Apr 23, 2012
Rob wrote:
Eventually it is time to grow up and realize that you are the reason you are getting pulled over. Cops aren't out to get anyone, just people that are breaking the law. If you are paranoid, or ridingI dirty, then there is a reason to think there are too many cops lol
I 100% agree there.. "you got trouble comin .. Big trouble" "breaker breaker"... "My handle is Smokey the Bear" .. and I deal with this "one s--- at a time."
quotes from "Smokey and the Bandit"
ahem

United States

#116 Apr 23, 2012
I'm not someone who blames you for prohibition, my complaint was originally that too many officers at a routine stop turn it into the spanish inquisition, they do. Safety is one thing, gangraping turnsignal shirkers is another. My arguments aren't from jack herer(wide ranged propaganda designed to meet government and corporate sponsored propaganda). He hurts the cause more than helps it and people who spout him are mostly hippies. The debate isn't about hemp, even though hemp is what U.S. lumber and synthetic fiber producers want kept outlawed, and pay for skewed research to keep that way. Nor is it about medicinal marijuana, kept outlawed through the same kind of back door big pharma funded research designed to highlight the minimal dangers(they want to make billions with risky synthetics that poorly mimic it). That the medical industry in general isn't legally allowed to even discuss it with patients is an injustice that costs thousands of lives each year. This debate, to keep it real and un blurred, is about recreational marijuana. The only research worth reading for any truth is independant, non-interest funded, health and societal impact study, performed by nuetral parties without a dog in the race, and aimed at ADULT use, because almost nobody is arguing kids should have it. Government has an interest, they get paid by several industries to vote against it. Officers jobs revolve, in part, and some more than others, around it. Pots the easiest to target, it smells, its bulky, its the most common, so its seen as a stepping stone to keep a constant loop of snitching that accomplishes very little except creating dangerous sentiment, criminal records, and notches on officers records. The war on drugs could be won if the snitch and plea was exchanged for confiscate and prosecute. But where's the steady stream of cash flow to buy better surveillance equipment and hire more and more cops in that? Comparing marijuana to any synthesized chemical is like compairing a beer to a quart of moonshine or rubbing alcohol. And steroid overdoses may be rare, but a whole host of very serious and deadly side effects are very well known, not the least of which is roid rage. I've seen it, its like pcp. And cops load with it all the time, then go work out before duty, no doubt that's how little old ladies get tazered as often as not. You've been civil, even though you've been attacked quite a bit(sorry for that, what of its from me), that's admirable, but a lot of your arguments are government issue, and while its your job to uphold them, a little self education outside of dealing with the degenerates you encounter would serve you well. There's a whole world between shwagheads and hoodlums, and government issue text, and ITS the average, and its hard to see without looking. Next time you read a study, find who funded the study. If its government, see what politicians supported it, then look at who their biggest campaign contributors are, and what stock they own(the result will always be what the supporters want it to be, or the research will be unfunded and results buried). The truth is there, I've seen it. Then again, I care, the truth has always been important to me, and my mind is curious and analytical, so digging past the surface of ANYthing comes natural. Lastly, a little attack; there aren't any functional crackheads arguing to legalize crack, and people who think across the board drug legalization would work are nuts. Decriminalization of posession of small amounts for personal use would help addicts get help, but prison for dealing them instead of snitch and plea then go back to dealing would work wayyyyyy better.
ahem

United States

#117 Apr 23, 2012
Legalization of marijuana would come with standardized testing for contaminants, developed testing to determine actual intoxication, not use 2 or 3 weeks ago(that means weed dui would stick instead of getting tossed 8 out of 10 times), regulation of trade, wiping out the mexican cheap crap trade and some of the heads on fence posts, and the tax, omigod the revenue, the employment a whole new trade would offer, and the complete eradication of chemical sprayed pottpouri sending idiots to emergency rooms. Just think how many crack addicts and heroin junkies would never develope because their dope never got past the international travel hubs because of the extra manpower weed tax woud enable combined with the freed manpower from unnecessary long term undercover operations set up to create that steady flow of snitches. Tobacco kills literally hundreds of thousands of people a year, directly, but its an existing industry that gives massive amounts to campaigns, so its there. Ever see a tobacco seed? Its extremely difficult to grow without special knowledge and conditions, that's why its not growing in back yards, and that's how it became a successful industry. Pots a weed, it not only grows well, its difficult to eradicate where it proliferates, that made it a bit harder to capitolize on, coupled with low interest during the industrialization of the modern world. Now, modern methods have given it better flavor, power, and its developed a following, so its a threat to both alcohol and tobacco, so they support campaigns and lobby against it. That's not in governent and police agency publications because it shows the bias and favoritism that politicians don't want publicized. Let's se what happens in missouri, where the people get the say and politicians dont. California narrowly missed legalization, but that's because its become a mecca for people who's lives revolve around it, that's brought more dregs looking for fast cash and a party lifestyle than average people who smoke the way the average casual drinker drinks. California is full of it for that reason, it caused an outcry, even by smokers, against the influx and a perceived even bigger coming one, otherwise it would've passed, pot would be legal by popular demand in one state, and we know how the ball bounces.
ahem

United States

#118 Apr 23, 2012
There. I've said it all. If I could get in front of congress I could compile thousands of pages of documents referencing and supporting everything I've said that they couldn't refute without showing THEIR closemindedness and inability or unwillingness to consider the truth and their constituents(the REAL ones, not just the extremely well paying ones) interests. No doubt the evidence they would counter with would already be in my pile, stamped "biased", with footnotes explaining that bias and its proveable origin(again, to their public embarrassment). The truth is out there. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
Prohibition creates crime

United States

#119 May 6, 2012
ahem wrote:
I'm not someone who blames you for prohibition, my complaint was originally that too many officers at a routine stop turn it into the spanish inquisition, they do. Safety is one thing, gangraping turnsignal shirkers is another. My arguments aren't from jack herer(wide ranged propaganda designed to meet government and corporate sponsored propaganda). He hurts the cause more than helps it and people who spout him are mostly hippies. The debate isn't about hemp, even though hemp is what U.S. lumber and synthetic fiber producers want kept outlawed, and pay for skewed research to keep that way. Nor is it about medicinal marijuana, kept outlawed through the same kind of back door big pharma funded research designed to highlight the minimal dangers(they want to make billions with risky synthetics that poorly mimic it). That the medical industry in general isn't legally allowed to even discuss it with patients is an injustice that costs thousands of lives each year. This debate, to keep it real and un blurred, is about recreational marijuana. The only research worth reading for any truth is independant, non-interest funded, health and societal impact study, performed by nuetral parties without a dog in the race, and aimed at ADULT use, because almost nobody is arguing kids should have it. Government has an interest, they get paid by several industries to vote against it. Officers jobs revolve, in part, and some more than others, around it. Pots the easiest to target, it smells, its bulky, its the most common, so its seen as a stepping stone to keep a constant loop of snitching that accomplishes very little except creating dangerous sentiment, criminal records, and notches on officers records. The war on drugs could be won if the snitch and plea was exchanged for confiscate and prosecute. But where's the steady stream of cash flow to buy better surveillance equipment and hire more and more cops in that? Comparing marijuana to any synthesized chemical is like compairing a beer to a quart of moonshine or rubbing alcohol. And steroid overdoses may be rare, but a whole host of very serious and deadly side effects are very well known, not the least of which is roid rage. I've seen it, its like pcp. And cops load with it all the time, then go work out before duty, no doubt that's how little old ladies get tazered as often as not. You've been civil, even though you've been attacked quite a bit(sorry for that, what of its from me), that's admirable, but a lot of your arguments are government issue, and while its your job to uphold them, a little self education outside of dealing with the degenerates you encounter would serve you well. There's a whole world between shwagheads and hoodlums, and government issue text, and ITS the average, and its hard to see without looking. Next time you read a study, find who funded the study. If its government, see what politicians supported it, then look at who their biggest campaign contributors are, and what stock they own(the result will always be what the supporters want it to be, or the research will be unfunded and results buried). The truth is there, I've seen it. Then again, I care, the truth has always been important to me, and my mind is curious and analytical, so digging past the surface of ANYthing comes natural. Lastly, a little attack; there aren't any functional crackheads arguing to legalize crack, and people who think across the board drug legalization would work are nuts. Decriminalization of posession of small amounts for personal use would help addicts get help, but prison for dealing them instead of snitch and plea then go back to dealing would work wayyyyyy better.
I was gonna say that but, I'm afraid to discuss it with anyone, for fear of getting busted. Follow the money.
So Many Jerks

Columbia, IL

#120 May 6, 2012
Why so many cops in Waterloo? Because there are so many jerks dealing drugs, sealing, and other- wise breaking the laws - that is why there are so many cops in Waterloo. Any more questions.
Ben

Florissant, MO

#121 Jun 8, 2012
Annoying wrote:
There are like 59 cops just for Waterloo and it seems that that county cops just stay in Waterloo
Just curious. What were arrested and charged for?
whatuwant

Waterloo, IL

#122 Jun 9, 2012
the bad thing is all u ever see them doing is parking somewhere and just sitting there talking to each other

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