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gunner

Waterloo, IL

#1 Jan 3, 2013
So will anyone in il. Reg. Your guns if they pass the new gun bill. I personally feel safer with guns. It seems that The gun free zones are where the mass shooting happen. I also think responsible teachers should be aloud to conceal and carry, there would fewer people shot at the schools.
gun owner

Waterloo, IL

#2 Jan 3, 2013
I have owned guns my entire life but I'm sorry, there is absolutely no use for these assault rifles or snub nose pistols other than shooting someone,. Assault rifles are useless for hunting and snub nose pistols aren't accurate at more than 10 feet. Although I love my weapons I believe firmly these should be banned. N o need for any fully automatic weapons, period.
Info

United States

#3 Jan 3, 2013
Assault rifles are already banned and have been. Fully automatic weapons are military/law enforcement and individuals that happen to get the strict licensing from the ATF. Assault rifles are not for public use period.

AR-15s, AK47 and such guns that the mislead public view as "assault weapons" do have purposes but just because you do not hunt with them or you do not target shoot ect... with them does not mean they are useless. There would not millions of them out there and demand for them if there was no use for them. Banning any said guns does absolutely NOTHING to halt or slow down gun violence. And why focus on the weapons that account for less than 2% of gun vilence? How about focusing on the useless garbage that commits those crimes? If you are a gun owner have you ever had a gun pick itself up and shoot something? Why would it be productive to dictate bans on the gun owners that follow the laws and purchase said guns LEAGALLY? Any banning would just be a knee jerk reaction in an attempt to calm the public...period!

Please tell me how a criminal with a 9mm with three 10rd clips is less dangerous than a criminal with two 15rd clips. Maybe you could stop him with your 6rd .38 special in the 2sec it takes him to reload!!! Makes absolutely no sense!

Can't imaging anyone that believes in our constitution would be for a government dictation the banning of their weapons. Where will it stop if you give them this chance?

People that agree with allowing the
beelzebub

Stockton, MO

#4 Jan 3, 2013
The constitution doesn't guarantee our second amendment rights for hunting and target shooting. It very clearly states that we have the right to "bear arms" and form militias to defend ourselves from enemies, both foreign AND domestic, and the tyranny of a corrupt government. No one can defend themselves against an already growingly tyranical leadership(as in new definitions for old,old, words, to make an unconstitutional law stick, and wanting to take guns in increments, the way every government with an eye towards subjugation of its populace has done in the last 2 centuries). Tossing this legislation avoided a statewide bloodbath at door to door time, and more federal intervention. I have no doubt obama pushed and worked on this as a model for federal legislation.
gunner

Waterloo, IL

#5 Jan 3, 2013
If this bill passes do you really think the thugs will turn in there guns or even follow the law and register them. History shows were ever guns were ban the crime rate was higher.
Lol

Columbia, IL

#6 Jan 3, 2013
gunner wrote:
If this bill passes do you really think the thugs will turn in there guns or even follow the law and register them. History shows were ever guns were ban the crime rate was higher.
I am curious how you, or anyone, knows who the bad people are. I would imagine, and this just might be me, but if we knew who the bad people were we make sure they didn't have guns. Then this argument would be obsolete because the bad people would already not be relevant. Then the argument could be who accidentally got shot. This is more of a bipartisan "cry about every single thing the government does" argument than anything else. You may not have voted fort the guy in there, but nearly half did vote for your party that isn't getting crap done.
Gun owner

Saint Louis, MO

#7 Jan 4, 2013
beelzebub wrote:
The constitution doesn't guarantee our second amendment rights for hunting and target shooting. It very clearly states that we have the right to "bear arms" and form militias to defend ourselves from enemies, both foreign AND domestic, and the tyranny of a corrupt government. No one can defend themselves against an already growingly tyranical leadership(as in new definitions for old,old, words, to make an unconstitutional law stick, and wanting to take guns in increments, the way every government with an eye towards subjugation of its populace has done in the last 2 centuries).
You nailed it brother!!

1911 Government in Turkey disarmed its citizens, and between 19151917 murdered 1.5 million Armenians.
1929 Government in Russia disarmed its citizens, and between 19291953 murdered 20 million Russians.
1935 Government in China disarmed its citizens, and between 19481952 murdered 20 million Chinese.
1938 Government in Germany disarmed its citizens, and between 19391945 murdered 16 million Jews, Hungarian Gypsies, Mentally disabled, physically disabled,...
1956 Government in Cambodia disarmed its citizens, and between 19751977 murdered 1 million Educated people, identified as those wearing glasses.
1964 Government in Guatamala disarmed its citizens, and between 19641981 and murdered 100,000 Mayan Indians.
1970 Government in Uganda disarmed its citizens, and between 19711979 and murdered 300,000 Christians.
fun owner also

Columbia, IL

#8 Jan 4, 2013
Gun owner wrote:
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You nailed it brother!!
1911 Government in Turkey disarmed its citizens, and between 19151917 murdered 1.5 million Armenians.
1929 Government in Russia disarmed its citizens, and between 19291953 murdered 20 million Russians.
1935 Government in China disarmed its citizens, and between 19481952 murdered 20 million Chinese.
1938 Government in Germany disarmed its citizens, and between 19391945 murdered 16 million Jews, Hungarian Gypsies, Mentally disabled, physically disabled,...
1956 Government in Cambodia disarmed its citizens, and between 19751977 murdered 1 million Educated people, identified as those wearing glasses.
1964 Government in Guatamala disarmed its citizens, and between 19641981 and murdered 100,000 Mayan Indians.
1970 Government in Uganda disarmed its citizens, and between 19711979 and murdered 300,000 Christians.
So the people that shouldn't had guns were the government right? There was this group of misfits in the late 1700s that opposed their government and started a revolution all because they had to pay taxes with representation..... This country became the United States of America.
gunner

Waterloo, IL

#9 Jan 4, 2013
Lol wrote:
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I am curious how you, or anyone, knows who the bad people are. I would imagine, and this just might be me, but if we knew who the bad people were we make sure they didn't have guns. Then this argument would be obsolete because the bad people would already not be relevant. Then the argument could be who accidentally got shot. This is more of a bipartisan "cry about every single thing the government does" argument than anything else. You may not have voted fort the guy in there, but nearly half did vote for your party that isn't getting crap done.


The ones that don't register guns or have the back round checks. The drug dealers the people that are on lots of meds. That probably didn't need them in the first place. So often when teachers or parents don't know how to deal with an active child they just put them on meds. You need to remember guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you don't like them don't buy them. It's in my right to own them. Families that shoot together stay together.
Deadmans Chamber

Marissa, IL

#10 Jan 4, 2013
gunner wrote:
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The ones that don't register guns or have the back round checks. The drug dealers the people that are on lots of meds. That probably didn't need them in the first place. So often when teachers or parents don't know how to deal with an active child they just put them on meds. You need to remember guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you don't like them don't buy them. It's in my right to own them. Families that shoot together stay together.
In the near future you may have to drop the whole "ones who don't register guns" because they where not criminals till the Government MADE them criminals. And there WILL be a whole lot of them!!
Deadmans Chamber

Marissa, IL

#11 Jan 4, 2013
gun owner wrote:
I have owned guns my entire life but I'm sorry, there is absolutely no use for these assault rifles or snub nose pistols other than shooting someone,. Assault rifles are useless for hunting and snub nose pistols aren't accurate at more than 10 feet. Although I love my weapons I believe firmly these should be banned. N o need for any fully automatic weapons, period.
Are you RETARDED? Full auto guns are already OUTLAWED!What they are calling "assault rifles" are NOT full auto and they are useful in hunting and self defense. Go across the river to Southern MO and learn about their feral hog problem. Then go to the Southwest US of A and checkout their feral illegal problem! We currently have a Government which ignores its citizens and protects criminals, violates the Constitution regularly, and refuses to ENFORCE the LAW. How would you like to be a citizen living there only to find out law enforcement has been instructed to ignore the problem? How would YOU and YOUR family like to be in danger on your own property? So YES a THOUSAND times we NEED military style medium powered semi- automatic firearms which accept multi round magazines NOW more than EVER!! And look who is trying to disarm the American citizen!!
gunner

Waterloo, IL

#12 Jan 4, 2013
Deadmans Chamber wrote:
<quoted text> In the near future you may have to drop the whole "ones who don't register guns" because they where not criminals till the Government MADE them criminals. And there WILL be a whole lot of them!!
Sorry I meant the criminals who don't register guns not the law bidding citizens who may own guns unregistered for one reason or another. I know I'll be slamed for the double stander but there are a lot of very good people who own unregistered guns.
citizen

Fairview Heights, IL

#13 Jan 4, 2013
gunner wrote:
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Sorry I meant the criminals who don't register guns not the law bidding citizens who may own guns unregistered for one reason or another. I know I'll be slamed for the double stander but there are a lot of very good people who own unregistered guns.
I read you're comments, tried to make sense out of what you said but the only conclusion I came to is, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
You are just one of these windbags on the forums with nothing useful to say. Just another idiot that thinks the government or police can protect you.
gunner

Waterloo, IL

#14 Jan 4, 2013
citizen wrote:
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I read you're comments, tried to make sense out of what you said but the only conclusion I came to is, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
You are just one of these windbags on the forums with nothing useful to say. Just another idiot that thinks the government or police can protect you.
I have news for you I can protect myself without a problem. We do not plan on the gov. To do anything we are totally self sufficient in more ways than one. We have everything we need to take care of our family and friends unlike most idiots that have to run to store because it might snow a little. Get a clue idiot and get prepared and learn to help yourself!!!
Gun owner

Waterloo, IL

#15 Jan 4, 2013
The purpose of police is to protect and uphold government laws, not to protect the citizenry. When the people realize this fact, owning the tools to protect ourselves (guns) will finally make sense.

Where are the cops when someone breaks into my home for underhanded reasons, where are the cops when someone tries to jack my car, where are the cops, when someone tries to kidnap or rape my women folk, etc, etc? Remember that cops are reactionary in regards to violations against people. They are proactive towards laws which will fund their paychecks, e.g. traffic violations. It's up to you to protect yourselves.
gunner

Waterloo, IL

#16 Jan 4, 2013
Citizen, why don't you read up both house bills 815 & 1263 and. Tell me why all the gun owners do not want them to pass. You can register your guns if you have any and rest of will move them out of state if were forced to.
Gun owner

Waterloo, IL

#17 Jan 4, 2013
It's only a couple more months until conceal and carry is legal in Illinois, finally. I'm sure the Chicago retards will make it difficult and expensive but still legal. Glock 27 it is.
Ed E Torial

Waterloo, IL

#18 Jan 5, 2013
Quinn and Rahm are going to introduce an amended SB2899 to the house on Sunday bieng amended by Acevedo when the house reconvenes. It's pretty much the same gun-grabbing bills that didn't get voted on in the senate. Don't ever let your guard down with these elected derelicts! We won't have anything to carry concealed with if this garbage gets passed.
beelzebub

Des Moines, IA

#19 Jan 5, 2013
Anyone surrendering legally purchased firearms deserves exactly what they get. Defend your FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS with your firearms if these bills ever pass and someone comes for your FEDERALLY PROTECTED PROPERTY. Talk to your friends, have a plan, steel yourself to fight physically for this RIGHT. Thousands of dead gun confiscating traitors on the steps of honest american patriots they tried to steal constitutionally guaranteed arms from will send a message illinois political scum can't ignore the way they have 9/10s of illinois for so many years. Let's start a petition to evict cook county from illinois.
citizen

Edwardsville, IL

#20 Jan 5, 2013
Gun owner wrote:
It's only a couple more months until conceal and carry is legal in Illinois, finally. I'm sure the Chicago retards will make it difficult and expensive but still legal. Glock 27 it is.
You brought up something I have been thinking about with the concealed carry law. In the past, just like now the lawmakers have tried every way they could to take away our firearms and refuse to give honest citizens the right to protect themselves.
Look at Chicago as an example of how well gun controls works. They weren't allowed to own handguns and in 2011 there were 505 murders, in 2012 it was 500. The criminals will always have firearms regardless of the laws.

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