Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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You it is your actions, which is why you have been called on it so many times by so many different people
I attack hypocrisy. Most opponents of SSM on this thread are much less hypocritical than supporters of SSM on this thread. Except me!

I support true marriage equality, You do not.
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Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>They said this instead: From the California Supreme Court's May 15 ruling:
We emphasize that our conclusion that the constitutional right to marry properly must be interpreted to apply to gay individuals and gay couples does not mean that this constitutional right similarly must be understood to extend to polygamous or incestuous relationships.
Clear enough?
Sure. They're saying it's not intended to legalize poly, which is already illegal.

They said we'll let SSM slip by but no way poly! They liked the "A" part of "a man and a woman" but not the gender part. Just like you!

I don't think either part is fair.

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That's what the fools said about SSM not long ago, Just a few short years.
Are you a fool too?
Did you read the post about the Cali. Supreme court and polygamy????? Frank, read it
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I attack hypocrisy. Most opponents of SSM on this thread are much less hypocritical than supporters of SSM on this thread. Except me!
I support true marriage equality.
Really? Do you think children should have marriage equality?

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YUK!YUK!YUK! Giggling Joe Biden!
Biden would boost the ratings of all the late night shows
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<quoted text>Really? Do you think children should have marriage equality?
No, do you?

I'll be sure to specify adults more often than I have been in the future so you don't try to use it as an argument against true marriage equality again.
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Sure. They're saying it's not intended to legalize poly, which is already illegal.
They said we'll let SSM slip by but no way poly! They liked the "A" part of "a man and a woman" but not the gender part. Just like you!
I don't think either part is fair.
Tough, ain't it?
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<quoted text>Did you read the post about the Cali. Supreme court and polygamy????? Frank, read it
Sure, they wanted to make damn sure they weren't legalizing polygamy.

Did you read prop 8?
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No, do you?
I'll be sure to specify adults more often than I have been in the future so you don't try to use it as an argument against true marriage equality again.
What's "true" about it if it excludes certain groups?

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Sure, they wanted to make damn sure they weren't legalizing polygamy.
Did you read prop 8?
Why yes I did, that is why I posted the Supremes thoughts.
The voter initiative was clearly tailored to exclude gay couples. Given that Polygamy has not been legal for more than a century, and the laws regarding it are intact. Little can be said to change it. Again, Same sex marriage was legal, Prop 8 was designed to remove that law. Can you say discrimination?

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Future Battle: Slippery Slope To Polygamy?
Some legal analysts feel that judicial action to legalize same-sex marriage will create precedent that could lead to the overturn of polygamy laws. Justice Scalia once stated, in a dissent to a case striking down a sodomy law, that following that decision all morals legislation was vulnerable to attack: first homosexual sex, then “fornication, bigamy, adultery, adult incest, bestiality, and obscenity.”
However, due to the way the California Supreme Court has classified sexual orientation, there is a significant difference between the same-sex marriage and polygamy. In deciding In Re Marriage Cases, the court declared that laws based on sexual orientation would receive “strict scrutiny” review, meaning that such laws must be narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling government interest. As polygamists are not a protected class, like homosexuals, they do not enjoy that level of review. Instead, the government may limit polygamy by proving simply that such laws are a rational method of achieving a legitimate government interest. The method need not be the least restrictive method of achieving that interest. The government interests in prohibiting polygamy that are often asserted are: the danger of statutory rape associated with polygamy; the danger of incest; and the subjugation and abuse of women in such relationships. These are legitimate interests and a ban on polygamy is generally seen as a rational means of accomplishing those ends.
Sexual Orientation? Heterosexual, homosexual , and bisexual..... so if people can marry according to their orientation....
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What's "true" about it if it excludes certain groups?
Everyone understands marriage is not for children. Even prop 8 said man and woman. That excludes children, Miss Thing. No one is arguing for marriage of children, calm down.

Is that your best argument? It's really desperate.
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<quoted text>Tough, ain't it?
Yep. That's how bigots roll, they rub defeat in good when they can. Just like they did in the earlier days of SSM.

Let's cut through your bullsh!t. Tell us why you are against poly marriage.

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No, do you?
I'll be sure to specify adults more often than I have been in the future so you don't try to use it as an argument against true marriage equality again.
If you are for true equality in marriage, why should 12 year old kids be omitted? It seems that its allowed in other countries that allow polygamy.

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Sure, they wanted to make damn sure they weren't legalizing polygamy.
Did you read prop 8?
Hell, did YOU? It nowhere mentions polygamy.
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Everyone understands marriage is not for children. Even prop 8 said man and woman. That excludes children, Miss Thing. No one is arguing for marriage of children, calm down.
Is that your best argument? It's really desperate.
Then stop making statements you don't mean.
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Yep. That's how bigots roll, they rub defeat in good when they can. Just like they did in the earlier days of SSM.
Let's cut through your bullsh!t. Tell us why you are against poly marriage.
Tell us why you think Prop 8 has anything to do with polygamy, when the California Supreme Court says it does not.
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Hell, did YOU? It nowhere mentions polygamy.
What don't you understand about "Marriage is a man and a woman only"?

Does it say "men and women only"?
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<quoted text>Then stop making statements you don't mean.
I often specify adults. I figured by now it was understood. So sue me.

You're grasping at straws.
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What don't you understand about "Marriage is a man and a woman only"?
Does it say "men and women only"?
What don't you understand about: "...does not mean that this constitutional right similarly must be understood to extend to polygamous or incestuous relationships."

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