Gun lessons for US schoolchildren

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Saturday, February 02, 2008 WASHINGTON: West Virginia is considering a bill to teach schoolchildren how to handle a gun and hunt safely its proponent hopes will increase state revenues from hunting licenses, a ... via The News

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Montague

Mineral Point, WI

#256 Nov 16, 2008
Sensible in WV wrote:
Cops aren't stupid.
Yea they are, otherwise their legal representation wouldn't be a law school graduate called a city attorney/state prosecutor/attorney general.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#257 Nov 16, 2008
feedup wrote:
<quoted text>
So why would you be against teaching kids how to be safe, and the proper way to handle a gun?
Because that could save lives, and that could hinder the antigun people from convincing govt that guns are inherently dangerous.
cat eter

Manchester, KY

#258 Nov 16, 2008
tats rite
Deng

Chengdu, China

#259 Jul 9, 2009
Children in the United States and elsewhere should be taught at an early age to turn their parents guns over to the police.
usancswolf111

Charlottesville, VA

#260 Jul 9, 2009
hows the riot going in china?how many dead from it.clean up your own.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#261 Jul 9, 2009
Deng wrote:
Children in the United States and elsewhere should be taught at an early age to turn their parents guns over to the police.
So then, you believe in Hitler youth? Or would that be 'Mao youth?'
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Teaching children to violate the trusts of their elders, is the quintessence of a sociopathic mental aberration.
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Presumably you are a follower of Pol Pot as well?
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Deng

Chengdu, China

#262 Jul 9, 2009
Highlander wrote:
<quoted text>
So then, you believe in Hitler youth? Or would that be 'Mao youth?'
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Teaching children to violate the trusts of their elders, is the quintessence of a sociopathic mental aberration.
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Presumably you are a follower of Pol Pot as well?
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Gun owernship fits the sociapath label, as below:

Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV-TR)
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV, currently DSM-IV-TR), a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15vc, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
reckless disregard for safety of self or others
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#263 Jul 9, 2009
Deng wrote:
<quoted text>
Gun owernship fits the sociapath label, as below:
Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV-TR)
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV, currently DSM-IV-TR), a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15vc, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
Do tell: Precisely ~how~ would it be —according to yourself— that owning a projectile tool, qualifies one to be diagnosed with your proffered 'disorder' you mention above?
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You'll tell us all about that, won't you?
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Deng wrote:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure impulsivity or failure to plan ahead irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults reckless disregard for safety of self or others
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
Well, all of that is ~certainly~ interesting, but all you've done is quote an excerpt which has not a thing to do with the ownership of a particular tool.
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Rather it describes ~possible~ personality traits associated with antisocial behavior.
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From the appearances of things, you seem in intent upon pursuing the invidious, that is, you resort to making accusations about things for which you have no valid basis or founding, if only to provoke ill feelings. That in itself says quite a lot about you.
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Now, having said all of that, you should be aware that the source from which you quoted has absolutely =ZERO= credibility when faced with an actual medical diagnosis, inasmuch that virtually no psychological diagnosis has =EVER= been proved medically, being as they are based purely upon subjective observations.
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So now, here we have you pretending to play pseudo-doctor while reading from an entry of an at best questionable source, and thence pretending to declare something about someone whom you've never met.
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Taken in total then, it would appear that it is >YOURSELF< whom is all the more fitting of the description you proffered above.
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“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#264 Jul 10, 2009
Deng wrote:
Children in the United States and elsewhere should be taught at an early age to turn their parents guns over to the police.
My kid would then lose his guns too.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#265 Jul 10, 2009
Not every sociopath will use a gun to murder. Gacy and Dahmer and McVeigh. People don't need guns to murder. Large males especially don't need guns to kill their spouses or kids. If I were to murder, a firearm would not be the first choice of weapon. It makes a loud (give-away) explosion. The ideal weapon for self defense may be the gun, but it is not the ideal weapon for murder, nutjob.
Deng wrote:
<quoted text>
Gun owernship fits the sociapath label, as below:
Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV-TR)
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV, currently DSM-IV-TR), a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15vc, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
reckless disregard for safety of self or others
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
You're describing the police? They own guns.

Seriously, 80 million Americans own guns.

One obvious sign of a sociopath is their failure to capitalize the first word of each sentence.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#266 Jul 10, 2009
Tory II wrote:
[——snip for brevity——]
One obvious sign of a sociopath is their failure to capitalize the first word of each sentence.
Nah. That's just a sign of the inveterate laziness common to all antis.
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You know: They toss out accusation after accusation without ever checking the facts.
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That bleeds over into their daily life, where they sloppily neglect to do things right.
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Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#267 Jul 10, 2009
Deng wrote:
<quoted text>
Gun owernship fits the sociapath label, as below:
Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV-TR)
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV, currently DSM-IV-TR), a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15vc, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
reckless disregard for safety of self or others
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
hmm....Deng.....

I think it aptly gives the antithesis of a lawful gun owner in America.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#268 Jul 10, 2009
Deng wrote:
Children in the United States and elsewhere should be taught at an early age to turn their parents guns over to the police.
Why?
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“Veritas vincit. Truth Conquers”

Since: Mar 07

Nunquam redono. Never give up

#270 Jul 10, 2009
Deng wrote:
Children in the United States and elsewhere should be taught at an early age to turn their parents guns over to the police.
You are a fruit cake.
Deng

Chengdu, China

#271 Jul 11, 2009
Individual Gun ownership in the United States for personal protection should be considered a social and personal behavioral disorder. Nowhere in History in any serious social discourse are individual weapons for personal protection given any credence for the social organization of a particular group of people. In fact, they are scorned upon as a reflection of something out of the normal, as uncivil, as a sign of chaos, as non-conformity and a general lack of a rational social organization.

In the modern society people go about their tasks without any concern for their general welfare, like someone doing them bodily harm or any other threatening behavior. In a modern society people should feel safe and their well being insured by the social principles that govern each and every individual in this social situation.

It’s easy to translate the advanced social behavioral diseases that manifest themselves from the lack of social norms to the Psychosis of the individual to the overall behavior of society in general. An example of psychotic behavior is where an individual has a firearm in their possession for “protection,” this firearm is more likely to kill a family member than someone who may be a threatening force to the person, something the Gun Lobbyists don’t like to talk about.

Individual Gun Ownership is only a symptom of something seriously wrong with the general overall social thinking. The key is why do people act why they do act? Are the leaders facing the social situation squarely? Is the philosophy for governing sound? Do we know where the future lies, in the sense where do we go from here, as a society? Is there Democracy, so individual guns are unnecessary?

In China we’ve seen what’s happening in the United States many, many times in our history. In a directionless social philosophy that doesn’t work anymore and an old ossified leadership whose only interest is to cling to power, even as the social manifestations all point to the future as a general decline into a chaotic social situation, the answer is not in individual protection but as a general social recognition of contradictions that manifest themselves into an unsocial and uncivil behavioral situation..

That is the answer.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#272 Jul 11, 2009
Deng wrote:
Individual Gun ownership in the United States for personal protection should be considered a social and personal behavioral disorder....

In China we’ve seen what’s happening in the United States many, many times in our history. In a directionless social philosophy that doesn’t work anymore and an old ossified leadership whose only interest is to cling to power, even as the social manifestations all point to the future as a general decline into a chaotic social situation, the answer is not in individual protection but as a general social recognition of contradictions that manifest themselves into an unsocial and uncivil behavioral situation..
That is the answer.
There are estimates that Mao murdered 50 million unarmed, disarmed Chinese peasants while experimenting with communism.

According to you it was done in an orderly and civil fashion, and makes it ok.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#273 Jul 11, 2009
Deng wrote:
Individual Gun ownership in the United States for personal protection should be considered a social and personal behavioral disorder.
Non sequitur — it DOES NOT follow: YOUR FACTS are NOT in order!
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Since nations are a DIRECT extension of the individual citizen residing thereat, and if the nation has seen fit to arm itself against possible external invaders, then your remarks amount to TREASON in China, in that you are accusing China's leaders of psychological aberrations.
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Feeling safe?
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No free nation would harbor ~any~ angst regarding the citizens arming themselves, inasmuch that for the nation to be remarked of as 'free,' then the People MUST have the ability to decide for themselves what is right and proper for themselves.
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Deng wrote:
Nowhere in History in any serious social discourse are individual weapons for personal protection given any credence for the social organization of a particular group of people.
Nowhere? Really? You don't know your history, and you are a FOOL for making that remark!
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Let's see: The Roman Republic, Athens, Sparta, England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, and pre-Columbian America. You know: The Indians.
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And that's just to name a few.
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Your credibility is hanging by the merest thread now. Let's see what follows:
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Deng wrote:
In fact, they are scorned upon as a reflection of something out of the normal, as uncivil, as a sign of chaos, as non-conformity and a general lack of a rational social organization.
I expected such a remark, coming as it does from someone who resides in a completely oppressed country.
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The word here —IN THE UNITED STATES— is: LIBERTY. You know, freedom of choice. We get to CHOSE for ourselves.
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Do you have a problem with that arrangement?
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Deng wrote:
[——snip entirely illogical rant——]
Your credibility went OUT THE WINDOW with that.
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Now, you ~might~ think that you'll 'influence' someone with that, but you know? Most Americans simply aren't buying your line of crap.
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Neither are the Swiss, who happen to be in possession of MORE arms per household then Americans.
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“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#274 Jul 11, 2009
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>
There are estimates that Mao murdered 50 million unarmed, disarmed Chinese peasants while experimenting with communism.
According to you it was done in an orderly and civil fashion, and makes it ok.
Our little Deng boy will announce that it was necessary to murder so many people.
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After all: Mao was always right, even when he was wrong he was right to be wrong, but he was still right.
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Got that?

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#275 Jul 11, 2009
And, Deng?
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Why have you not addressed my question in POST# 263?
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You'll get back on that, won't you?
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Right?
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Law

Omaha, NE

#276 Jul 11, 2009
Deng wrote:
Individual Gun ownership in the United States for personal protection should be considered a social and personal behavioral disorder. Nowhere in History in any serious social discourse are individual weapons for personal protection given any credence for the social organization of a particular group of people. In fact, they are scorned upon as a reflection of something out of the normal, as uncivil, as a sign of chaos, as non-conformity and a general lack of a rational social organization.
In the modern society people go about their tasks without any concern for their general welfare, like someone doing them bodily harm or any other threatening behavior. In a modern society people should feel safe and their well being insured by the social principles that govern each and every individual in this social situation.
It’s easy to translate the advanced social behavioral diseases that manifest themselves from the lack of social norms to the Psychosis of the individual to the overall behavior of society in general. An example of psychotic behavior is where an individual has a firearm in their possession for “protection,” this firearm is more likely to kill a family member than someone who may be a threatening force to the person, something the Gun Lobbyists don’t like to talk about.
Individual Gun Ownership is only a symptom of something seriously wrong with the general overall social thinking. The key is why do people act why they do act? Are the leaders facing the social situation squarely? Is the philosophy for governing sound? Do we know where the future lies, in the sense where do we go from here, as a society? Is there Democracy, so individual guns are unnecessary?
In China we’ve seen what’s happening in the United States many, many times in our history. In a directionless social philosophy that doesn’t work anymore and an old ossified leadership whose only interest is to cling to power, even as the social manifestations all point to the future as a general decline into a chaotic social situation, the answer is not in individual protection but as a general social recognition of contradictions that manifest themselves into an unsocial and uncivil behavioral situation..
That is the answer.
More dung from deng.

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