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A 2004 critical review of research on firearms by a National Research Council panel also noted that academic studies of the assault weapon ban "did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence" and noted "due to the fact that the relative rarity with which the banned guns were used in crime before the ban ... the maximum potential effect of the ban on gun violence outcomes would be very small...."

In 2004, a research report submitted to the United States Department of Justice and the National Institute of Justice found that should the ban be renewed, its effects on gun violence would likely be small, and perhaps too small for reliable measurement, because rifles in general, including rifles referred to as "assault rifles" or "assault weapons", are rarely used in gun crimes. That study by Christopher S. Koper, Daniel J. Woods, and Jeffrey A. Roth of the Jerry Lee Center of Criminology, University of Pennsylvania found no statistically significant evidence that either the assault weapons ban or the ban on magazines holding more than 10 rounds had reduced gun murders.

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<quoted text> The ban on handguns in Chicago was thrown out in 2010. A quote for you from someone from Chicago. They might have more of a clue about gun violence since they have to witness it.ď'Thereís just way too many guns in this city,' Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said at a press conference last week.'Thereís way too many guns in the state of Illinois. And itís one of those situations that if we donít do something about it Ė and everything we do matters--if we donít do something about it, itís just going to continue at the rate that it is.'" Too many guns? Is that what he said? I thought no one had any guns there. I mean that's what I've been told by my NRA talking points memo. You are completely devoid of facts. All you have is rhetoric. You are a pussyboy. Go polish your big guns and dream of having a normal sized penis.
Thanks for proving my point. Guns laws are useless because criminals dont follow them. Now go back to your moms basement and cower in the corner waiting for the government to save you. Maybe we can ban shadows so you might leave your house? Grow a pair and stop being such a scared little sissy.
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<quoted text> You act like I am not concerned or aware of any of that. I do what I can. I donate not only money but time to many causes. The discussion was about an assault weapons ban. I would gladly engage in a conversation about saving lives around the world. Also, my first two sentences in the post you to which you replied were ambiguous. I wasn't saying ATVs murdered kids.
lol yeah, atvs cant murder people. i'm silly.

i think we should discuss worldly problems. and that's probably the most we can do to help solve those problems. Acknowledgment is the most i can do. i would love to move there and physically help, but i am poor, but what i can do is bring awareness,getting mainstream america to face and recognize, then maybe they will be moved to spread the word. hopefully someday when enough people care...boom!, our nation will wake up! We will say "oh this is unethical, we're jerkoffs for not helping sooner." (we can mobilize as a group and demand change,americans rule the world, it's our responsibility to seek justice.)
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lol yeah, atvs cant murder people. i'm silly.
i think we should discuss worldly problems. and that's probably the most we can do to help solve those problems. Acknowledgment is the most i can do. i would love to move there and physically help, but i am poor, but what i can do is bring awareness,getting mainstream america to face and recognize, then maybe they will be moved to spread the word. hopefully someday when enough people care...boom!, our nation will wake up! We will say "oh this is unethical, we're jerkoffs for not helping sooner." (we can mobilize as a group and demand change,americans rule the world, it's our responsibility to seek justice.)
screw the world stay home and take care of ourselves. you freaken moron mouth breather
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<quoted text>screw the world stay home and take care of ourselves. you freaken moron mouth breather
You forgot to say smoke dope while your staying at home!
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Jan 27, 2013
 
When is all this mess going to end?
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Jan 27, 2013
 
Assault weapon and any kind of bans on guns is a waste of time.
Law abiding citizens won't shoot anybody anyway and criminal killers do not give a crap about a ban.
If they are going to kill people it's not likely they care about liberals little freedom grabbing rules.

The problem is too many nutcases on the streets. Nutcases dont care about bans or restrictions.

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though some of what you said is true/ vaild -you seem to cherry pick only portions which serve your very singular/narrow view..believe it or not, the pie is bigger than just your slice..

the 2nd ammendment was also intended to protect the citizenry from tryanical govt-whether it's own govt or another intruding govt. One of the reasons America was founded in the first place escaping British tyranny/taxation/persecution,e tc

Hitler took all the guns out of prewar Germany-disarming the public. And, hid behind the children to spread his propagandic agenda-and even formed national socialists youth groups- where kids were programmed to rat on their parents if they disobeyed the fuhrers/emporers agenda. Nearly, the whole country became brainwashed by this propgand-because they, too, were promised free stuff-a volkswagon for everyone-Hiel Hitler! the sheeplike, unarmed population swooned over the mad man and his promises of shared economic prosperity.what a con?

Our govt will/has used lethal force on unarmed US citizens-Kent State-white college kids protesting VietNam. The city of Philadelphia swat team blew up nearly a city block of a black group for not cutting their grass and smoking too much weed..killing many innocent people

Its really easy to control people, even law abiding citizens who are not armed-even kill them-and then spread some factoid propaganda putting the blame on the un armed-as the govt largely controls the general media-if it wants to.

"The last refuge of scoundrels is to hide behind the children"

Taking law abiding citizens arms away is just another step closer to a more gradual slippage of govt abuse of the citizens...law abiding citizens are not the problem
People who should not have arms are the problem-nothing is 100% certain-but criminals and Mental cases should not have access to guns

That said I am in favor of background checks -to help keep the guns less easliy available to cons or mentally disturbed people,

Aotomobiles, injure and kill more people than guns ever do-Shouldwe ban cars??

Debate is good. It is what this site is about-name calling is so juvenile.
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Ignorant-in Fairmont=
though some of what you said is true/ vaild -you seem to cherry pick only portions which serve your very singular/narrow view..believe it or not, the pie is bigger than just your slice..
the 2nd ammendment was also intended to protect the citizenry from tryanical govt-whether it's own govt or another intruding govt. One of the reasons America was founded in the first place escaping British tyranny/taxation/persecution,e tc
Hitler took all the guns out of prewar Germany-disarming the public. And, hid behind the children to spread his propagandic agenda-and even formed national socialists youth groups- where kids were programmed to rat on their parents if they disobeyed the fuhrers/emporers agenda. Nearly, the whole country became brainwashed by this propgand-because they, too, were promised free stuff-a volkswagon for everyone-Hiel Hitler! the sheeplike, unarmed population swooned over the mad man and his promises of shared economic prosperity.what a con?
Our govt will/has used lethal force on unarmed US citizens-Kent State-white college kids protesting VietNam. The city of Philadelphia swat team blew up nearly a city block of a black group for not cutting their grass and smoking too much weed..killing many innocent people
Its really easy to control people, even law abiding citizens who are not armed-even kill them-and then spread some factoid propaganda putting the blame on the un armed-as the govt largely controls the general media-if it wants to.
"The last refuge of scoundrels is to hide behind the children"
Taking law abiding citizens arms away is just another step closer to a more gradual slippage of govt abuse of the citizens...law abiding citizens are not the problem
People who should not have arms are the problem-nothing is 100% certain-but criminals and Mental cases should not have access to guns
That said I am in favor of background checks -to help keep the guns less easliy available to cons or mentally disturbed people,
Aotomobiles, injure and kill more people than guns ever do-Shouldwe ban cars??
Debate is good. It is what this site is about-name calling is so juvenile.
Guns aren't cars. Cars serve a vital role in daily life. They are dangerous and we have a lot of laws regarding there use. I am so sick of the slippery slope argument. It isn't going to happen. We live in a new era. People 35 and younger think differently than the older population. Also, the Hitler stuff is complete nonsense. I couldn't say it any better than Alex Seitz-Wald from salon.org . http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_... Maybe it's generational. I hope we can get a lot done in the next 12 years. Obama's second term and Biden's two terms as well. Republicans are going the way of the Whigs. I'm Native American as well. So let's not be too mean to one another.
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Jan 27, 2013
 
Here's the top gun nut arguments so far, with my rebuttals...

2. "Obama (Congress, etc.) has armed guards!"

You are not the president of the United States. You're just a gun nut with delusions of adequacy. How bleeping stupid must one be before one is unable to understand that the most powerful office in the world merits extra protection, especially as more than a few presidents have been SHOT? Is fork in the face stupid sufficient or must one be super dense, black hole, singularity-type stupid?

3. "In Australia (or England, Sweden, insert your favorite country to hate here) crime went UP after guns were banned!"

This one is double dumb. First off, it's simply not true, which is why not one of these nuts can provide any kind of citation to any such thing. Second, none of the favorite gun nut target countries banned guns.

4. "Chicago!(or NYC, LA, Detroit, etc.)

Gun nuts are too ignorant to know bringing up Chicago disproves their own argument. The fact is Chicago banned hand guns in 1982. Beginning in 1983 and continuing for 28 years, the murder rate trended consistently down, falling every year except 2.

In 2010 the Supreme Court overturned Chicago's ban. Once again cheap hand guns were easy to come by. Guess what happened? The murder rate skyrocketed.

As to comparing large states with large urban areas to empty rural states, what, are you gun nuts really THAT bleeping stupid?

5. "Mexico has strict gun laws and it's still flooded with drug gangs using illegal guns!"

Good point! Yes, Mexico is suffering terrible problems at the hand of drug cartels. Drug cartels that supply the American market using guns they bought legally in Texas, then smuggled into Mexico. IOW, our taste for drugs and our gun culture are in large part responsible for Mexico's troubles.

6. "Cars kill more people than guns!"

They do, which is why we require drivers to be licensed, which requires passing proficiency tests every few years. We require all vehicles to be registered with the state and pass inspections at regular intervals. We require liability insurance. We tax all vehicle sales, retail and private. By all means, yes, let's treat guns just like we treat cars.

7. "Hitler disarmed the Jews. If the Jews had guns, there would have been no holocaust!"

Yes, Hitler disarmed German Jews in 1938, long after the Nazis had consolidated total power and long after they had subjugated German Jews, taking not just their guns, but their citizenship, businesses, livelihoods homes, possessions...

Not to mention, Jews in Warsaw, Paris, Prague, etc., were not banned from owning guns until after Hitler had conquered their nations. Six million died. Fat lot of good their guns did them against the Nazi war machine.

8. "Criminals don't obey the law, so gun laws won't work!"

Following this toy train of logic to its inevitable flaming wreck, because some people will break the law, we shouldn't have any laws at all.

9. "You can't stop every tragedy!"

No, you can't, but it's stupid to argue that since we can't stop all tragedies we shouldn't try to stop any. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

10. "Banning weapons won't work!"
Learn to read. Nobody has suggested any such thing. Stop listening to those voices in your head.
11. "Israel and Switzerland have lots of guns and low crime rates!"
Both Israel and Switzerland have extremely strict gun laws, duh. Thanks ever so much for proving my point that gun control, does, indeed, reduce violent crime.
12. "The assault weapons ban didn't work!"

Nonsense. The rate of mass shooting during the ban was MUCH lower than before or after.-- http://everythingpossiblehappens.blogspot.com...
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Jan 27, 2013
 
Top arguments with rebuttals
2. "Obama (Congress, etc.) has armed guards!"

You are not the president of the United States. You're just a gun nut with delusions of adequacy. How bleeping stupid must one be before one is unable to understand that the most powerful office in the world merits extra protection, especially as more than a few presidents have been SHOT? Is fork in the face stupid sufficient or must one be super dense, black hole, singularity-type stupid?

3. "In Australia (or England, Sweden, insert your favorite country to hate here) crime went UP after guns were banned!"

This one is double dumb. First off, it's simply not true, which is why not one of these nuts can provide any kind of citation to any such thing. Second, none of the favorite gun nut target countries banned guns.

4. "Chicago!(or NYC, LA, Detroit, etc.)

Gun nuts are too ignorant to know bringing up Chicago disproves their own argument. The fact is Chicago banned hand guns in 1982. Beginning in 1983 and continuing for 28 years, the murder rate trended consistently down, falling every year except 2.

In 2010 the Supreme Court overturned Chicago's ban. Once again cheap hand guns were easy to come by. Guess what happened? The murder rate skyrocketed.

As to comparing large states with large urban areas to empty rural states, what, are you gun nuts really THAT bleeping stupid?

5. "Mexico has strict gun laws and it's still flooded with drug gangs using illegal guns!"

Good point! Yes, Mexico is suffering terrible problems at the hand of drug cartels. Drug cartels that supply the American market using guns they bought legally in Texas, then smuggled into Mexico. IOW, our taste for drugs and our gun culture are in large part responsible for Mexico's troubles.

6. "Cars kill more people than guns!"

They do, which is why we require drivers to be licensed, which requires passing proficiency tests every few years. We require all vehicles to be registered with the state and pass inspections at regular intervals. We require liability insurance. We tax all vehicle sales, retail and private. By all means, yes, let's treat guns just like we treat cars.

7. "Hitler disarmed the Jews. If the Jews had guns, there would have been no holocaust!"

Yes, Hitler disarmed German Jews in 1938, long after the Nazis had consolidated total power and long after they had subjugated German Jews, taking not just their guns, but their citizenship, businesses, livelihoods homes, possessions...

Not to mention, Jews in Warsaw, Paris, Prague, etc., were not banned from owning guns until after Hitler had conquered their nations. Six million died. Fat lot of good their guns did them against the Nazi war machine.

8. "Criminals don't obey the law, so gun laws won't work!"

Following this toy train of logic to its inevitable flaming wreck, because some people will break the law, we shouldn't have any laws at all.

9. "You can't stop every tragedy!"

No, you can't, but it's stupid to argue that since we can't stop all tragedies we shouldn't try to stop any. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

10. "Banning weapons won't work!"

Learn to read. Nobody has suggested any such thing. Stop listening to those voices in your head.

11. "Israel and Switzerland have lots of guns and low crime rates!"

Both Israel and Switzerland have extremely strict gun laws, duh. Thanks ever so much for proving my point that gun control, does, indeed, reduce violent crime.

12. "The assault weapons ban didn't work!"

Nonsense. The rate of mass shooting during the ban was MUCH lower than before or after.
Http://everythingpossiblehappens.blogspot.com...
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Ignorance wrote:
Top arguments with rebuttals
2. "Obama (Congress, etc.) has armed guards!"
You are not the president of the United States. You're just a gun nut with delusions of adequacy. How bleeping stupid must one be before one is unable to understand that the most powerful office in the world merits extra protection, especially as more than a few presidents have been SHOT? Is fork in the face stupid sufficient or must one be super dense, black hole, singularity-type stupid?
3. "In Australia (or England, Sweden, insert your favorite country to hate here) crime went UP after guns were banned!"
This one is double dumb. First off, it's simply not true, which is why not one of these nuts can provide any kind of citation to any such thing. Second, none of the favorite gun nut target countries banned guns.
4. "Chicago!(or NYC, LA, Detroit, etc.)
Gun nuts are too ignorant to know bringing up Chicago disproves their own argument. The fact is Chicago banned hand guns in 1982. Beginning in 1983 and continuing for 28 years, the murder rate trended consistently down, falling every year except 2.
In 2010 the Supreme Court overturned Chicago's ban. Once again cheap hand guns were easy to come by. Guess what happened? The murder rate skyrocketed.
As to comparing large states with large urban areas to empty rural states, what, are you gun nuts really THAT bleeping stupid?
5. "Mexico has strict gun laws and it's still flooded with drug gangs using illegal guns!"
Good point! Yes, Mexico is suffering terrible problems at the hand of drug cartels. Drug cartels that supply the American market using guns they bought legally in Texas, then smuggled into Mexico. IOW, our taste for drugs and our gun culture are in large part responsible for Mexico's troubles.
6. "Cars kill more people than guns!"
They do, which is why we require drivers to be licensed, which requires passing proficiency tests every few years. We require all vehicles to be registered with the state and pass inspections at regular intervals. We require liability insurance. We tax all vehicle sales, retail and private. By all means, yes, let's treat guns just like we treat cars.
7. "Hitler disarmed the Jews. If the Jews had guns, there would have been no holocaust!"
Yes, Hitler disarmed German Jews in 1938, long after the Nazis had consolidated total power and long after they had subjugated German Jews, taking not just their guns, but their citizenship, businesses, livelihoods homes, possessions...
Not to mention, Jews in Warsaw, Paris, Prague, etc., were not banned from owning guns until after Hitler had conquered their nations. Six million died. Fat lot of good their guns did them against the Nazi war machine.
8. "Criminals don't obey the law, so gun laws won't work!"
Following this toy train of logic to its inevitable flaming wreck, because some people will break the law, we shouldn't have any laws at all.
9. "You can't stop every tragedy!"
No, you can't, but it's stupid to argue that since we can't stop all tragedies we shouldn't try to stop any. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
10. "Banning weapons won't work!"
Learn to read. Nobody has suggested any such thing. Stop listening to those voices in your head.
11. "Israel and Switzerland have lots of guns and low crime rates!"
Both Israel and Switzerland have extremely strict gun laws, duh. Thanks ever so much for proving my point that gun control, does, indeed, reduce violent crime.
12. "The assault weapons ban didn't work!"
Nonsense. The rate of mass shooting during the ban was MUCH lower than before or after.
Http://everythingpossiblehappens.blogspot.com...
can we discuss child slavery/starvation now? this gun stuff is getting boring.

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Ignorance wrote:
Top arguments with rebuttals

12. "The assault weapons ban didn't work!"
Nonsense. The rate of mass shooting during the ban was MUCH lower than before or after.
Http://everythingpossiblehappens.blogspot.com...
Show me some evidence mass shootings were MUCH lower during the ban? Fact is you cant because it is a lie. I posted the DOJ and a Penn study as sources, you post some wackos "blog". LOL Most of the other crap you posted is complete BS also. Can always tell when someone doesnt have a leg to stand on, they resort to lies and posting links to radical "blogs" and call it the truth.
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Ignorance wrote:
Top arguments with rebuttals
2. "Obama (Congress, etc.) has armed guards!"
You are not the president of the United States. You're just a gun nut with delusions of adequacy. How bleeping stupid must one be before one is unable to understand that the most powerful office in the world merits extra protection, especially as more than a few presidents have been SHOT? Is fork in the face stupid sufficient or must one be super dense, black hole, singularity-type stupid?
3. "In Australia (or England, Sweden, insert your favorite country to hate here) crime went UP after guns were banned!"
This one is double dumb. First off, it's simply not true, which is why not one of these nuts can provide any kind of citation to any such thing. Second, none of the favorite gun nut target countries banned guns.
4. "Chicago!(or NYC, LA, Detroit, etc.)
Gun nuts are too ignorant to know bringing up Chicago disproves their own argument. The fact is Chicago banned hand guns in 1982. Beginning in 1983 and continuing for 28 years, the murder rate trended consistently down, falling every year except 2.
In 2010 the Supreme Court overturned Chicago's ban. Once again cheap hand guns were easy to come by. Guess what happened? The murder rate skyrocketed.
As to comparing large states with large urban areas to empty rural states, what, are you gun nuts really THAT bleeping stupid?
5. "Mexico has strict gun laws and it's still flooded with drug gangs using illegal guns!"
Good point! Yes, Mexico is suffering terrible problems at the hand of drug cartels. Drug cartels that supply the American market using guns they bought legally in Texas, then smuggled into Mexico. IOW, our taste for drugs and our gun culture are in large part responsible for Mexico's troubles.
6. "Cars kill more people than guns!"
They do, which is why we require drivers to be licensed, which requires passing proficiency tests every few years. We require all vehicles to be registered with the state and pass inspections at regular intervals. We require liability insurance. We tax all vehicle sales, retail and private. By all means, yes, let's treat guns just like we treat cars.
7. "Hitler disarmed the Jews. If the Jews had guns, there would have been no holocaust!"
Yes, Hitler disarmed German Jews in 1938, long after the Nazis had consolidated total power and long after they had subjugated German Jews, taking not just their guns, but their citizenship, businesses, livelihoods homes, possessions...
Not to mention, Jews in Warsaw, Paris, Prague, etc., were not banned from owning guns until after Hitler had conquered their nations. Six million died. Fat lot of good their guns did them against the Nazi war machine.
8. "Criminals don't obey the law, so gun laws won't work!"
Following this toy train of logic to its inevitable flaming wreck, because some people will break the law, we shouldn't have any laws at all.
9. "You can't stop every tragedy!"
No, you can't, but it's stupid to argue that since we can't stop all tragedies we shouldn't try to stop any. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
10. "Banning weapons won't work!"
Learn to read. Nobody has suggested any such thing. Stop listening to those voices in your head.
11. "Israel and Switzerland have lots of guns and low crime rates!"
Both Israel and Switzerland have extremely strict gun laws, duh. Thanks ever so much for proving my point that gun control, does, indeed, reduce violent crime.
12. "The assault weapons ban didn't work!"
Nonsense. The rate of mass shooting during the ban was MUCH lower than before or after.
Http://everythingpossiblehappens.blogspot.com...
can we discuss child slavery/starvation now? this gun business is getting boring.

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MindlessFoxBot wrote:
A 2004 critical review of research on firearms by a National Research Council panel also noted that academic studies of the assault weapon ban "did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence" and noted "due to the fact that the relative rarity with which the banned guns were used in crime before the ban ... the maximum potential effect of the ban on gun violence outcomes would be very small...."
In 2004, a research report submitted to the United States Department of Justice and the National Institute of Justice found that should the ban be renewed, its effects on gun violence would likely be small, and perhaps too small for reliable measurement, because rifles in general, including rifles referred to as "assault rifles" or "assault weapons", are rarely used in gun crimes. That study by Christopher S. Koper, Daniel J. Woods, and Jeffrey A. Roth of the Jerry Lee Center of Criminology, University of Pennsylvania found no statistically significant evidence that either the assault weapons ban or the ban on magazines holding more than 10 rounds had reduced gun murders.
See, actual sources with evidence, not some weirdos blog. LOL
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Jan 27, 2013
 
Anonymous has declared online war against the government.

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2013/01/27/transcrip...

this link has the released statement as well as the transcript.
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Jan 27, 2013
 
I saw something on Topix recently that reminded me of these guys. All these 'studies'. For decades I kept trying to find out - who is really funding things like - Heritage, Cato, Hometown, Reason etc etc. I couldn't find much about their funding but I always saw them as "sources" when others posted.
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<quoted text> Guns aren't cars. Cars serve a vital role in daily life. They are dangerous and we have a lot of laws regarding there use. I am so sick of the slippery slope argument. It isn't going to happen. We live in a new era. People 35 and younger think differently than the older population. Also, the Hitler stuff is complete nonsense. I couldn't say it any better than Alex Seitz-Wald from salon.org . http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_... Maybe it's generational. I hope we can get a lot done in the next 12 years. Obama's second term and Biden's two terms as well. Republicans are going the way of the Whigs. I'm Native American as well. So let's not be too mean to one another.
This country is still governed by the authority of the US Constitution, regardless of what you pansy a$$ commies want. What part of shall not be infringed dont you understand? Cars may play a vital role in daily life, but boats, ATV's, swimming pools, and jet skis dont. They are also not Constitutionally protected, but yet we still have them. Banning them all would save thousands of lives, but I dont hear the rally to outlaw them. Could that be because this is America, not China, were we are a free country? We dont need some commie nancy pants telling us what we can eat, read, drive, watch. It already appears the ban will fail. Glad there are still freedom loving Americans who respect the Constitution still left among our politicians. God Bless America!
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Ignorance wrote:
Here's the top gun nut arguments so far, with my rebuttals...
2. "Obama (Congress, etc.) has armed guards!"
You are not the president of the United States. You're just a gun nut with delusions of adequacy. How bleeping stupid must one be before one is unable to understand that the most powerful office in the world merits extra protection, especially as more than a few presidents have been SHOT? Is fork in the face stupid sufficient or must one be super dense, black hole, singularity-type stupid?
3. "In Australia (or England, Sweden, insert your favorite country to hate here) crime went UP after guns were banned!"
This one is double dumb. First off, it's simply not true, which is why not one of these nuts can provide any kind of citation to any such thing. Second, none of the favorite gun nut target countries banned guns.
4. "Chicago!(or NYC, LA, Detroit, etc.)
Gun nuts are too ignorant to know bringing up Chicago disproves their own argument. The fact is Chicago banned hand guns in 1982. Beginning in 1983 and continuing for 28 years, the murder rate trended consistently down, falling every year except 2.
In 2010 the Supreme Court overturned Chicago's ban. Once again cheap hand guns were easy to come by. Guess what happened? The murder rate skyrocketed.
As to comparing large states with large urban areas to empty rural states, what, are you gun nuts really THAT bleeping stupid?
5. "Mexico has strict gun laws and it's still flooded with drug gangs using illegal guns!"
Good point! Yes, Mexico is suffering terrible problems at the hand of drug cartels. Drug cartels that supply the American market using guns they bought legally in Texas, then smuggled into Mexico. IOW, our taste for drugs and our gun culture are in large part responsible for Mexico's troubles.
6. "Cars kill more people than guns!"
They do, which is why we require drivers to be licensed, which requires passing proficiency tests every few years. We require all vehicles to be registered with the state and pass inspections at regular intervals. We require liability insurance. We tax all vehicle sales, retail and private. By all means, yes, let's treat guns just like we treat cars.
7. "Hitler disarmed the Jews. If the Jews had guns, there would have been no holocaust!"
Yes, Hitler disarmed German Jews in 1938, long after the Nazis had consolidated total power and long after they had subjugated German Jews, taking not just their guns, but their citizenship, businesses, livelihoods homes, possessions...
Not to mention, Jews in Warsaw, Paris, Prague, etc., were not banned from owning guns until after Hitler had conquered their nations. Six million died. Fat lot of good their guns did them against the Nazi war machine.
8. "Criminals don't obey the law, so gun laws won't work!"
Following this toy train of logic to its inevitable flaming wreck, because some people will break the law, we shouldn't have any laws at all.
9. "You can't stop every tragedy!"
No, you can't, but it's stupid to argue that since we can't stop all tragedies we shouldn't try to stop any. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
10. "Banning weapons won't work!"
Learn to read. Nobody has suggested any such thing. Stop listening to those voices in your head.
11. "Israel and Switzerland have lots of guns and low crime rates!"
Both Israel and Switzerland have extremely strict gun laws, duh. Thanks ever so much for proving my point that gun control, does, indeed, reduce violent crime.
12. "The assault weapons ban didn't work!"
Nonsense. The rate of mass shooting during the ban was MUCH lower than before or after.-- http://everythingpossiblehappens.blogspot.com...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2012/...

let's talk about this^^ instead of guns. it's more intertwined into your life, how much of your stuff do you think has been made by their little enslaved hands?
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Beckley, WV

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Anonymous has declared online war against the government.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2013/01/27/transcrip...
this link has the released statement as well as the transcript.
I don't have time to look things over tonight but perhaps this is related to that guys (Arron Swartz - spelling) suicide. I know they were upset at that. It really gets me that I haven't seen much discussion about how those copyrighted articles often come from governmental funded studies. It does seem to me in those cases it should be public domain.

Same thing gets me on drug companies - much of their research comes from NHI (government that spends tons more than them), but the drug companies take that research for free and charge us an arm and a leg.

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