Foes of casino smoking vow to keep fighting

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Catalyst

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Feb 11, 2007
 
To say that smoking and gambling (or smoking and drinking) go "hand in hand" is strange. How do you explain smokers who don't drink or gamble, or drinkers who don't smoke or gamble, or gamblers who don't smoke or drink?

The idea that smoking bans cause businesses to fail is just junk accounting/bookkeeping. How do you explain businesses that failed without a smoking ban, and how do you explain businesses, after a smoking ban, that continued to thrive?
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Feb 11, 2007
 
maybe they all will use one of their ballrooms on a different floor, might be easier than transforming the whole casino floorplan.
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Feb 12, 2007
 
Catalyst wrote:
To say that smoking and gambling (or smoking and drinking) go "hand in hand" is strange. How do you explain smokers who don't drink or gamble, or drinkers who don't smoke or gamble, or gamblers who don't smoke or drink?
The idea that smoking bans cause businesses to fail is just junk accounting/bookkeeping. How do you explain businesses that failed without a smoking ban, and how do you explain businesses, after a smoking ban, that continued to thrive?
Smokers are just grasping at straws trying to find anything, ANYTHING that will make it so they dont have to walk 20 feet and smoke outside. They are selfish and dont care about non-smokers.

They dont want to be inconvenienced JUST so the non-smoker does not get cancer.
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Feb 12, 2007
 
I saw the light, I had my first cigarette last night and it was GREAT. All this crap about how bad it is IS total garbage. Even the second hand smoke smelled Great. Why would anyone want to stop people from smoking. REPEAL THE SMOKING BAN TODAY.
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Feb 12, 2007
 
Catalyst wrote:
To say that smoking and gambling (or smoking and drinking) go "hand in hand" is strange. How do you explain smokers who don't drink or gamble, or drinkers who don't smoke or gamble, or gamblers who don't smoke or drink?
The idea that smoking bans cause businesses to fail is just junk accounting/bookkeeping. How do you explain businesses that failed without a smoking ban, and how do you explain businesses, after a smoking ban, that continued to thrive?
With your thinking how do you explain thousands of people living to 80-90 years old and smoked all their life??? DAH
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Feb 12, 2007
 
non smoker wrote:
I saw the light, I had my first cigarette last night and it was GREAT. All this crap about how bad it is IS total garbage. Even the second hand smoke smelled Great. Why would anyone want to stop people from smoking. REPEAL THE SMOKING BAN TODAY.
Way to go non smoker, I knew you would come around..
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Feb 12, 2007
 
Freedomfighter wrote:
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With your thinking how do you explain thousands of people living to 80-90 years old and smoked all their life??? DAH
They are rare/lucky people that gambled and won. All non-smokers are asking for is to not be forced to take the same risks as smokers just because a smoker is too lazy to go outside to smoke. Selfish lazy smokers.

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Feb 12, 2007
 
Hey Non Smoker, I am a smoker and I do respect non-smokers, I am not lazy, and have no problem walking outside to smoke. And I always try to respect non smokers. I have friends who don't smoke, when we go out together, lunch, diner, shopping, yard sales, I always walk ahead or behind them while smoking, do not smoke in their cars or homes. But why should the goveremnt pick on smokers? Why should we be forced to smoke outside or a different room. why don't you non-smokers leave the room? You know we all know smoking is bad for our health, but so isn't drinking. I don't drink and one thing I can't stand is a drunk that destroys my evening. Or worry about the druk driving home and killing innocent people. So maybe they need to stop selling alcholic beverages in all resturants, casinos, close all the bars, and make it illegal to to consume alchol. Or do the same tax the heck out of beer, wine, whiskey etc... and make it where you can only drink in your home. Drunks cause more problems then smokers. They fight, argue, yell, scream, cry, vomit all over the place, domestic fights, blow their paychecks, or someones elses money on the habit, abuse their children either by voice or hand and the worse driving and killing innocent people. And maybe they need to worry about getting the drug dealers off the streets and stop spending so much precious time on us smokers and taking our rights away, why the drunks and drug dealers are running free doing their thing in public, killing our kids and innocent people. If you don't like the smell of smoke then you leave. Next thing thwy will do is ask women not to use perfumes becasue some people are allergic to it and you could kill me with your high price perfume if you were standing in a grocery line beside me. I thought we lived in AMERICA, the home of brave and freedom for all, NOT ANY MORE!!!!!!!!perhaps you are one of the selfish lazy drunks who disrupt the room when you drink by being mouthy, and nasty to nice people.
non smoker, They are rare/lucky people that gambled and won. All non-smokers are asking for is to not be forced to take the same risks as smokers just because a smoker is too lazy to go outside to smoke. Selfish lazy smokers
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Feb 13, 2007
 
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They are rare/lucky people that gambled and won. All non-smokers are asking for is to not be forced to take the same risks as smokers just because a smoker is too lazy to go outside to smoke. Selfish lazy smokers.
And ALL the smokers are asking for is a Segragated place to enjoy a smoke. And all the non-smokers will NOT be forced to go there. I do not understand why it would be a problem with anyone that ONE BAR in each town could be for smokers only. who are they hurting other than themselfs? If that is the way they want to die GO FOR IT. I am going to die in Bed with a hot blond, and she can have a smoke when she is done.
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Feb 13, 2007
 
we can all talk about this til we are blue in the face, but face it, the ban will go on and the smokers will have their smoking areas and the non smokers can breathe cleaner air, etc etc.
unfortunately, half of the now non smokers who will stay in the non smoking area, it is too late to do a study to see who is more healthier with the ban because, 80% of these people smoked long ago and for whatever reasons had to stop but the damage is there already. so to take a survey after the ban takes effect, wont do too much good.
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Feb 13, 2007
 
Debbie D wrote:
Hey Non Smoker, I am a smoker and I do respect non-smokers, I am not lazy, and have no problem walking outside to smoke. And I always try to respect non smokers. I have friends who don't smoke, when we go out together, lunch, diner, shopping, yard sales, I always walk ahead or behind them while smoking, do not smoke in their cars or homes. But why should the goveremnt pick on smokers? Why should we be forced to smoke outside or a different room. why don't you non-smokers leave the room? You know we all know smoking is bad for our health, but so isn't drinking.
Yes drinking is bad for your health, but I dont have to worry about 2nd hand alcohol when I am at a restaraunt or bar.

You say "why can't the non-smokers leave the room".

That's ridiculous. First of all, smokers fill entire bars and restaraunts with smoke, thereby forcing their smoke on everyone 100% of the time they are their.
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Feb 13, 2007
 
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With your thinking how do you explain thousands of people living to 80-90 years old and smoked all their life??? DAH
Exactly, FFighter. How do you explain that?

How do you explain smokers who developed emphysema in their 40s? How do you explain spouses of smokers who developed lung cancer?

How do you explain businesses that continued to thrive after smoking bans? How do you explain business that failed in the absence of any smoking bans?

How?
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Feb 13, 2007
 
When NYC and others have proposed smoking bans in restaurants, for instance, there was always an uproar beforehand about how the businesses would lose money and fail.

Now it has been done. What are the follow-up results? DID bars and restaurants go out of business because smokers refused to go there? These are solid numbers available for someone less lazy than myself to look up and publish here. It seems relevant to the claims of the casino owners that people addicted to both gambling and cigarettes will not come to one of the few places where they can at least indulge one.
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Feb 13, 2007
 
fin wrote:
When NYC and others have proposed smoking bans in restaurants, for instance, there was always an uproar beforehand about how the businesses would lose money and fail.
Now it has been done. What are the follow-up results? DID bars and restaurants go out of business because smokers refused to go there? These are solid numbers available for someone less lazy than myself to look up and publish here. It seems relevant to the claims of the casino owners that people addicted to both gambling and cigarettes will not come to one of the few places where they can at least indulge one.
It's truly amazing how smokers will bail on their favorite watering holes when a state or local smoking ban is enacted, something the owners of said watering holes never wanted in the first place.

They say something like, "Well, if they can't accommodate me, I won't go there anymore."

Too bad they didn't practice that philosophy when the airlines went smoke free. Of course, smokers have a choice--they could either drive or take a boat to their destination but they take smoke-free planes anyway.

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Feb 13, 2007
 
To me it isn't really about the smoking bans, it is about taking more of my rights away. Like I posted earier, I do respect non-smokers and have no problem what so ever going outside to smoke. I do not drink, and I do not go to casino's and gamble my money away either. It's like I said, about MY RIGHTS. It seens like the smokers are always getting taxed, kicked out of places etc... So if they are using the excuse about HEALTH, then lets include the drinkers who destroy more lives then smokers will. To Non Smoker, yeah they might not emit 2nd hand smoke, but they get drunk, cause fights, but worse they DRIVE on our roads, wreck and kill or mame innocent people. Drinkers destroys marriages, so most times we pay for their childrens needs because the single parent getting the kids usually gets on welfare. And anyone knows that if you are addicted to gambling, you will still go and throw away your money with ot without the benefits of smoking. As for the business not failing after smoking bans that is because the non-smokers came back and must smokers don't mind eating out when they are finished eating , they pay their bill and leave, while walking to their cars they light up. No big deal. So to all you non-smokers, you might be happy about these new non smoking bans, and that is ok, but watch out because one day they will start taking your rights away from you, perhaps they will get smart and start taxing each beer and drink $5.00 plus the normal cost of your drink, to start paying for all the law suits for the drunks killing and injuring so many people. And then the casino's will start charging large cover charges to enter their buildings. I think they should charge $50.00 to get in the doors. Do you know how many families have been destroyed because of a spouse addicted to gambling? So remember to me it isn't about not smoking, it's about the beginning of taking our rights away from each of us, for our habits!
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Feb 13, 2007
 
Debbie:

If you don't like the taxes associated with cigarettes, you don't have to buy cigarettes. You have a choice. It's that simple.

No smoking is being kicked out of any place. All smokers are welcome in nonsmoking bars--they just can't smoke in them.

You may think that drinkers destroy marriages, but smokers do the same thing--by leaving their cigarettes unattended and burning down their homes, and also by forcing one or both parents, depending on who smokes, to spend anywhere between $2,000 and $6,000 a year on cigarettes, for 2 packs per day. If the mortgage is due (or if the children need food and clothing) and one spouse wants cigarettes, where do you think the money is going to go to?

"Perhaps they will get smart and start taxing each beer and drink $5.00 plus the normal cost of your drink, to start paying for all the law suits for the drunks killing and injuring so many people."

Then I'll exercise my choice not to buy beer.

"And then the casino's will start charging large cover charges to enter their buildings. I think they should charge $50.00 to get in the doors."

Then I'll exercise my choice not to go into that casino.
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Feb 14, 2007
 
well, whats going to happen when and if the indians from ct. along with mirage put up their proposed casino near the borgata> will they have to have a smoking ban? indians are exempt from most laws. maybe the smokers will have their very own smoking casino to look forward to.

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Feb 14, 2007
 
Smoke contains 4,000 chemicals, but 3,950 of them are measurable only in nanograms and picograms.

Know how big a picogram is?
A single grain of salt weighs 100 MILLION picograms.
A lot of those smoke "chemicals" are present as only a few SINGLE picograms or less.

Our diet subjected to the same level of analysis yields TEN thousand chemicals!

Secondhand smoke IS worse than firsthand smoke, but ONLY if you snort it through a straw right from the burning end of a cigarette.

A non-smoker in a decently ventilated area with smokers will usually inhale far less than 1/100th or even 1/1000th of a cigarette per hour.

The Class A carcinogen alcohol as evaporated vapor from drinks is over 500 times as concentrated in an average bar as Class A smoke carcinogens.

Learn the Facts and Defend Your Freedoms!

There's a giant foundation that grants funds for research, that is with the goal to show the results they want. Funds come in from pharmacutical companies for funding as they have their goals. There's good in nicotine and they want it for prescriptions. www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton/other/nicoti ...

Meanwhile, over 30 years ago, fudged reports began coming out from main stream organizations to slowly manuver the population into believing tobacco was bad. Those reports are funded thru the foundation that has population agendas and tobacco is far from the only subject.

Follow the money (who makes it with the no-smoking products to who would gain if nicotine went into prescriptions, who owns the big blocks of pharma stocks, who is funded by who with political donations, ect) and you'll uncover more than you can dream of concerning deceit to we the people.
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2006/01/w ...

Next it will be alcohol and it appears it's already begun when you consider the current closings of bars in this country.

There is evidence on the web but it has to be searched for.
Some facts: www.heartland.org/Article.cfm...

We ALL have been duped for a long time. Stop the bans now because you are opening the legal door to more than you can conceive at this time.
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Feb 14, 2007
 
History Buff wrote:
Smoke contains 4,000 chemicals, but 3,950 of them are measurable only in nanograms and picograms.
Know how big a picogram is?
A single grain of salt weighs 100 MILLION picograms.
A lot of those smoke "chemicals" are present as only a few SINGLE picograms or less.
Our diet subjected to the same level of analysis yields TEN thousand chemicals!
Secondhand smoke IS worse than firsthand smoke, but ONLY if you snort it through a straw right from the burning end of a cigarette.
A non-smoker in a decently ventilated area with smokers will usually inhale far less than 1/100th or even 1/1000th of a cigarette per hour.
The Class A carcinogen alcohol as evaporated vapor from drinks is over 500 times as concentrated in an average bar as Class A smoke carcinogens.
Learn the Facts and Defend Your Freedoms!
There's a giant foundation that grants funds for research, that is with the goal to show the results they want. Funds come in from pharmacutical companies for funding as they have their goals. There's good in nicotine and they want it for prescriptions. www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton/other/nicoti ...
Meanwhile, over 30 years ago, fudged reports began coming out from main stream organizations to slowly manuver the population into believing tobacco was bad. Those reports are funded thru the foundation that has population agendas and tobacco is far from the only subject.
Follow the money (who makes it with the no-smoking products to who would gain if nicotine went into prescriptions, who owns the big blocks of pharma stocks, who is funded by who with political donations, ect) and you'll uncover more than you can dream of concerning deceit to we the people.
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2006/01/w ...
Next it will be alcohol and it appears it's already begun when you consider the current closings of bars in this country.
There is evidence on the web but it has to be searched for.
Some facts: www.heartland.org/Article.cfm...
We ALL have been duped for a long time. Stop the bans now because you are opening the legal door to more than you can conceive at this time.
How about naming the 50 chemicals that are greater than a picogram? Suprisingly that's the number of chemicals that cause cancer. Coincidence?
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Feb 14, 2007
 
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How about naming the 50 chemicals that are greater than a picogram? Suprisingly that's the number of chemicals that cause cancer. Coincidence?
Your a HOOT!

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