REALLY

United States

#936 Mar 20, 2010
You would think someone that was a foster parent for 20 years could find an expert witness
happy grandma

Pittsburgh, PA

#937 Mar 20, 2010
I posted some info. on this Forum last night concerning my nightmares with CYS Washington County and the corrupt Judicialo System and would like to know why O/R chose to not publish it. Is'nt this censorship? Please explain O.R.
Saraminks

United States

#938 Mar 20, 2010
Cathy J Harmon wrote:
<quoted text>Court Orders? Have Saraminks post the court order put in place by a washington county judge to protect her first born so we the people can see the lack of respect that officer Paul Rock has for the washington county judges and court orders and the safty of our children,
What are you talking about. What court orders. Whose first born.Who is officer Rock.
Frustrated

Monongahela, PA

#939 Mar 20, 2010
REALLY wrote:
You would think someone that was a foster parent for 20 years could find an expert witness
Well it is like this, In this state, unless you are wealthy it is very difficult to have a expert testify because the expense is ridiculous. Just to ' LOOK OVER ' the files was $1,200.00 to come to court could cost up to $5,000.00. depending where they are coming from. a phone deposition is as much as $2,000.00. put it all together YOU COULD be paying as . much as 3to 6 th0usand dollars or a single hearing. May be you can aford that but most people that CYS targets can't.We can find them we can't aford the ones we find.If you would like to lend it, fine.
Jan

Washington, PA

#940 Mar 21, 2010
someone with facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Jan,
Jan, have you been involved with CYS? Have you worked at CYS? Do you know what happens a daily basis at CYS? DO you know how difficult is is to remove a child from a home as a caseworker, it is a high stress job and no credit is given? and another thing, if you were involved with CYS WHY ISN'T YOUR COURT ORDER POST FROM THE MERIT HEARING? Lets not hide anything here lets see why you were involved, if you were, with CYS!!!!! If your a parent, treat your child the way the child must and should be treated, NOT they way you would treat a dog. When you have worked for CYS and see the terrible and horrible things that happen to children then you can comment on the removal of child, if you haven't worked their then you do not know what happens on a daily basis.
By the way, since YOU DO NOT KNOW' there are many success stories of reunification of children and their parents/parent, but YOU do not report that it is only the families who have children removed and place outside of the family home.
Mam, it seems to me you need to give US a break about the whining of some parents most who are drug users/dealers and are unfit to keep their children.
You're just confirming what I have been stating all along. That is: A police officer with a warrant has the right to enter your home. However, they have NO right to legal home entry without one.
Nevertheless, CPS frequently uses warrantless police presence to intimidate families into opening their homes.

There is absolutely NO reason that CPS cannot conduct interviews in their office or a neutral location. UNLESS their is substantial evidence to suggest that a home inspection should be required. In that event, gettting a warrant should be obtained immediately when collaborated by a licensed clinician along with any physical evidence that is present. CPS are the ones placing the children in danger by delaying legal entry into the home when they don't.

It is CYS's job to collect/prove abuse or negligence. It is not the parents responsibility to present/provide CPS with evidence.
IF you had taken the time to go back and read and the previous posts as I suggested. Then you would already know what my involvment with CPS has been.

You, however, continue to ignore the frivioulous cases that CPS accepts without one scintilla of exculpatory evidence other than what they twist out home visits and parents navie and innocent statements.

Are you suggesting that all the children that are placed under dependency are children of substance abusers and are being mentally and physically abused?????? You do realise that parents can have substance issues and not be derelict in their duties as a parent. There is a huge difference between a substance user and abuser. Why don't you remove kids from parents that use narcotics for the treatment of diseases........ oh wait, CPS already does that.

You haven't answered my question as to how "Frank' represents as Guardian Ad Litem 97% of the counties cases. BTW don't dispute the figure because that is directly from the horses mouth. The caseworkers are overloaded and overworked. Yet, good ole' "Frank' isn't complaining about his workload.

As for Walsh he represents CYS, the agency PERIOD. He could not careless about the children. Nor is it his job to.

Now if you go back and read my previous posts, then perhaps you can explain the exploding rates of families accepted for services and children being removed from homes in just the last few years.

Stop justifiying the destruction of innocent families on the heads of children who truly are abused and are in need of intervention. The former outnumbers the later by mind-boggling rates.
Jan

Washington, PA

#941 Mar 21, 2010
Frustrated wrote:
<quoted text>
Well it is like this, In this state, unless you are wealthy it is very difficult to have a expert testify because the expense is ridiculous. Just to ' LOOK OVER ' the files was $1,200.00 to come to court could cost up to $5,000.00. depending where they are coming from. a phone deposition is as much as $2,000.00. put it all together YOU COULD be paying as . much as 3to 6 th0usand dollars or a single hearing. May be you can aford that but most people that CYS targets can't.We can find them we can't aford the ones we find.If you would like to lend it, fine.
You can spend all that and more and the Judge can deny the admission of the testimony into the legal court record. Happens all the time..........

But it is generally not an issue with parents of modest means. That is why they are the favorite targets because they cannot present a vigorious defense.
Jan

Washington, PA

#942 Mar 21, 2010
Shasta8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Think there may be some exaggeration here about Cys showing up at dinner time. They only work till 4:00pm and are off on week-ends, not to mention the fact they usually call ahead of time to tell you they are coming. Please give us info on any case where children have been removed from their homes because there was coats or schoolbooks thrown around.
As far as getting out of Dodge. What would be the point since you want us to believe this is happening in every town in America. Are you suggesting everyone with children leave the country. Which country would you recommend?
Nonesense that they only work until 4pm. Precisely how do they see school children in the home enviroment once every 30 days during school session if that is true.

Getting out of Dodge helps because not all juridictions are as viscious AND you have to be placed under their radar again.
Jan

Washington, PA

#943 Mar 21, 2010
happy grandma wrote:
I posted some info. on this Forum last night concerning my nightmares with CYS Washington County and the corrupt Judicialo System and would like to know why O/R chose to not publish it. Is'nt this censorship? Please explain O.R.
I have had that happen frequently. I believe it is a system glich. Which is why I copy my test before hitting the "send" button. So that I can just paste and resend.
someone with facts

Washington, PA

#944 Mar 21, 2010
Jan wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical CYS case.
Don't count on them to do anything that will protect your child. You are going to have to do that yourself.
Jan,

That has been the MOST important thing you have stated. You you seeing the light??
someone with facts

Washington, PA

#945 Mar 21, 2010
happy grandma wrote:
I posted some info. on this Forum last night concerning my nightmares with CYS Washington County and the corrupt Judicialo System and would like to know why O/R chose to not publish it. Is'nt this censorship? Please explain O.R.
Dear Happy Grandma,

The Observer Distorter (that not a type o) was contacted when the investigation was done and completed at Wash Co CYS. But, their policy is if Wash. Co. Commissioners do not want to comment on the investigation they WILL NOT publish the investigation. SO much for freedom of the press. What needs to happen, is people wanting to know what went on is not go to the Commissioners meeting and address this in person, in a correct manner. Channel 2 news also was contacted and Marty Griffin was interested, but never followed up on the investigation. THIS INVESTIGATION NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP WHEN THE THREE COMMISSIONER'S RUN AGAIN FOR OFFICE.
someone with facts

Washington, PA

#946 Mar 21, 2010
Jan wrote:
<quoted text>
You're just confirming what I have been stating all along. That is: A police officer with a warrant has the right to enter your home. However, they have NO right to legal home entry without one.
Nevertheless, CPS frequently uses warrantless police presence to intimidate families into opening their homes.
There is absolutely NO reason that CPS cannot conduct interviews in their office or a neutral location. UNLESS their is substantial evidence to suggest that a home inspection should be required. In that event, gettting a warrant should be obtained immediately when collaborated by a licensed clinician along with any physical evidence that is present. CPS are the ones placing the children in danger by delaying legal entry into the home when they don't.
It is CYS's job to collect/prove abuse or negligence. It is not the parents responsibility to present/provide CPS with evidence.
IF you had taken the time to go back and read and the previous posts as I suggested. Then you would already know what my involvment with CPS has been.
You, however, continue to ignore the frivioulous cases that CPS accepts without one scintilla of exculpatory evidence other than what they twist out home visits and parents navie and innocent statements.
Are you suggesting that all the children that are placed under dependency are children of substance abusers and are being mentally and physically abused?????? You do realise that parents can have substance issues and not be derelict in their duties as a parent. There is a huge difference between a substance user and abuser. Why don't you remove kids from parents that use narcotics for the treatment of diseases........ oh wait, CPS already does that.
You haven't answered my question as to how "Frank' represents as Guardian Ad Litem 97% of the counties cases. BTW don't dispute the figure because that is directly from the horses mouth. The caseworkers are overloaded and overworked. Yet, good ole' "Frank' isn't complaining about his workload.
As for Walsh he represents CYS, the agency PERIOD. He could not careless about the children. Nor is it his job to.
Now if you go back and read my previous posts, then perhaps you can explain the exploding rates of families accepted for services and children being removed from homes in just the last few years.
Stop justifiying the destruction of innocent families on the heads of children who truly are abused and are in need of intervention. The former outnumbers the later by mind-boggling rates.
Jan,

Your wrong again! Yes they do. If the police department believe a child is in danger they have a right to enter a home and if there is a problem they CAN take protective custody of a child.

Second statements is wrong again. CYS may have been to the home but the parents my refuse to open the door or even come the the CYS office. That is why police is their (see above statement).

CYS has enough case on their desk. They ARE NOT out looking for cases. The caseworkers are overworked as it is.

If parents are using illegal substance or abusing prescribes medication that affect their parenting they take the chance of having their children removed from their home.

Frank is appointed to his position by the courts and the Wash Co Commissioners. Walsh represents CYS, you are correct, but the other statements are wrong. Walsh represents the case and the evidence that is presented to him. This evidence must be subject to the law as in any other case that is taken to court. YOU must have not read the post were Walsh does not agree with CYS all the time, GO FIGURE.
Jan

Washington, PA

#947 Mar 21, 2010
someone with facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Jan,
Your wrong again! Yes they do. If the police department believe a child is in danger they have a right to enter a home and if there is a problem they CAN take protective custody of a child.
Second statements is wrong again. CYS may have been to the home but the parents my refuse to open the door or even come the the CYS office. That is why police is their (see above statement).
CYS has enough case on their desk. They ARE NOT out looking for cases. The caseworkers are overworked as it is.
If parents are using illegal substance or abusing prescribes medication that affect their parenting they take the chance of having their children removed from their home.
Frank is appointed to his position by the courts and the Wash Co Commissioners. Walsh represents CYS, you are correct, but the other statements are wrong. Walsh represents the case and the evidence that is presented to him. This evidence must be subject to the law as in any other case that is taken to court. YOU must have not read the post were Walsh does not agree with CYS all the time, GO FIGURE.
Wrong again? You are a hoot. You do realise that we are discussing the use of warranteless police presence with regards to CPS only?????

The police can enter ANY residence where there is a reasonable belief that a crime is being committed. Refusal for admittance alone isn't by any stretch of the imagination a reasonable belief of a crime being comitted in a rational thinking mind.

IF a parent refuses to be inteviewed by CPS. Then a motion can be filed and a court order obtained to force them to submit to an interview. The police should NOT be used as intimidators when there is not even an allegation of a child in danger.

CPS routinely takes cases to court when parents have been interviewed. Despite no evidence having been obtained and refusing to voluntarily acccept CPS services. Then are then dragged to court in order to have the court force them through the CPS money making hoops. This is also how CPS circumvents the 60 day investigatory period in PA.

Thank you for pointing out that a parent with a chronic illness can be considered an unfit parent. Parent is accused. Parent is unable to work. Thus unable to afford to present a strong defense and bye bye kiddies. Likewise, CPS often sees chronically ill children as abused aswell.

Again, Waslsh's job is to defend CPS and not the children. He reivews CYS cases and argues their case. YOU must not have been present for the ridiculous cases that he passes on to the court that are an outright sinful waste of our community resources. Then again CPS does not need to collect evidence or meet the burden of proof like a ciminal court does. Walsh needs little or nothing to get a case to the Juvenile Courts. So when he turns down a case. One can only imagine how feeble it must be.

Now try to answer why 'Frank' who is vigoriously,diligent in his representation of the children isn't oveworked but the caseworkers are? While you're at it. Tell everyone where 'Frank's' paychecks come from.

It is pathetic that this county has been violating constitutional rights and circumventing due process for so long that they no longer care that is what they are doing.
happy grandma

Pittsburgh, PA

#948 Mar 22, 2010
Doe anyone know what happened to Joyce Hatfield? Was'nt she the Attorney for CYS when Felton was in Power? or did she get booted too.
Shasta8

Nyack, NY

#949 Mar 23, 2010
Jan

How do you know what goes on in the court cases involving CYS if those hearings are closed to the public.
Frustrated

Monongahela, PA

#950 Mar 23, 2010
Shasta8 wrote:
Jan
How do you know what goes on in the court cases involving CYS if those hearings are closed to the public.
The hearings are not always closed. In past experience, they usually only ask you to leave if you are a potential wittness, at least that has been what has happened when I have been in the court room with both the judge or the master.
someone with facts

Washington, PA

#951 Mar 24, 2010
happy grandma wrote:
Doe anyone know what happened to Joyce Hatfield? Was'nt she the Attorney for CYS when Felton was in Power? or did she get booted too.
Happy Grandma,

Joyce is still employed at the Wash Co CYS. She did not get booted from her job even though she has broken the rules of Juvenile Court, as per a directive from Felton.
someone with facts

Washington, PA

#952 Mar 24, 2010
Frustrated wrote:
<quoted text>
The hearings are not always closed. In past experience, they usually only ask you to leave if you are a potential wittness, at least that has been what has happened when I have been in the court room with both the judge or the master.
Frustrated,

All juvenile court proceedings are closed to "visitors". Being involved with CYS there is a confidentiality that must be protected for the family and the children. Providers are one of the only visitors permitted in the court.
Frustrated

Monongahela, PA

#953 Mar 24, 2010
I beg to differ with you, but i was just in a courtroom yesterday with a master presiding over a juvinile matter and there were many there that were not involved with the matter and some, when asked told the master that they were just there to observed a hearing to see what it was like.
happy grandma

Pittsburgh, PA

#954 Apr 3, 2010
someone with facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Happy Grandma,
Joyce is still employed at the Wash Co CYS. She did not get booted from her job even though she has broken the rules of Juvenile Court, as per a directive from Felton.
"someone with facts"..... how do you know Joyce Hatfield has broken the rules of Juvenile Court, as per a directive from Felton? Is this a fact, do you have proof? if you do you could be very helpful to me. thanks
happy grandma

Pittsburgh, PA

#955 Apr 3, 2010
Hi Folks, I am the one that brought you all the news of the crooked judges in Juvenile Court in Luzerne County many posts ago. Both Judges were jailed. Hurrah!!!!!!!Now listen to this it happened in Orange County Calif. 2007, CYS took away a woman's two daughters and accused her of Child Abuse, three Caseworkers were involved. She got herself a GOOD LAWYER and he and his partner sued Orange County and the three caseworkers individually. A Jury heard all about the lies and deceit and manipulation the caseworkers used to deprive this woman of her two daughters. Yet they did not have a scintilla of evidence of the abuse. Orange County had to pay the woman 4.1 million dollars and two of the caseworkers were ordered to pay her 1 million each, the third caseworker got off because she was new and doing what the others told her to do. This incident is true I have the name and phone numbers of the Attorneys. The names of the caseworkers, the name of the judge. How about that? Anyone interested in a Class Action?

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