CYS/Court Corruption - Support Group
paula j

AOL

#366 Nov 9, 2008
Been reading threw alot of these post. Jan I think you may be looking threw some rose colored glasses. Just from what I read I can see why CYS may have got a call about some of these families and we are not getting the whole picture here. Heaven knows what goes on behind clothes doors.

If you are not involved with a CYS case and you just know families that are and they say these court hearings are closed then how would you know why Judge Mascara rules the way he does.You may be hearing only one side.

Haven't seen anything in the paper about any protest yet.
Jan

Washington, PA

#367 Nov 9, 2008
Well Paula, sadly most people will not believe what these rogues are doing until they or someone they know is victimized. I used to hold a similiar attitude.


There are many ways to find out what is going on behind closed doors. Expert Witnesses, Lawyers, Defendants, Advocates and Transcripts. Not to mention the tens of thousands of families that have been witness to, and/or victimized by this system nationwide.

There are hundreds of thousands of now adult children who have stories to tell. This is not limited to Washington County. None of these people know each other, yet, their stories are all similiar.

It is not necessary to take mine or anyone elses word for what is going on and why. Conduct your own research by following the money trail. I suggest that your start by looking at the service providers and how they get licensed and how and from where they are compensated. Then take a look at the careers of lawyers that were destroyed for daring to speak out.

I cant fault you for your for attitude because it is very common and quite frankly; I am participating on this board to hear other peoples stories, not to convince others that this is what is going on. Im here to let people that are going through the system know what they can expect. Im here to speak out for those who have too much at stake to speak out for themselves.

My children are grown with no children of their own. Therefore, I do not have to fear the retaliation that many others have experienced for speaking out.

Christy is a good example of a very, very brave individual that is risking quite a bit to give others a glimpse of how the system works.

More and more legislators are becoming acutely aware of the injustices going on and my goal is to have the legislature rewrite these laws to protect all parties involved.
Jan

Washington, PA

#368 Nov 9, 2008
I would really like to hear what you and/or anyone thinks they would do if a complaint was made against you. Then Ill tell you exactly what you can expect, regardless of how you respond.
Sean

United States

#369 Nov 9, 2008
The majority of these parents not all, are the cause of the parents. It's not the system, it's the people whinning that the system doesn't work. If this issue was so wide spread, why haven't we hear about this in the media.
Poppy John

AOL

#370 Nov 10, 2008
Christy 'S children were abused in every sense of the word. Physically, mentally amd sexualy. She should spend her every waking hour trying to fix the wrong she has done. She should start listening to her lawyer only and not his and the family. His mom has one objective to keep her boy out of jail and with her.If she knew what they say behind her back she would be one mad hornet.

If you read the transcripts from this trail you would see the story changes everytime, sometimes in five muinutes.
Sean

United States

#371 Nov 12, 2008
Poppy John wrote:
Christy 'S children were abused in every sense of the word. Physically, mentally amd sexualy. She should spend her every waking hour trying to fix the wrong she has done. She should start listening to her lawyer only and not his and the family. His mom has one objective to keep her boy out of jail and with her.If she knew what they say behind her back she would be one mad hornet.
If you read the transcripts from this trail you would see the story changes everytime, sometimes in five muinutes.
Poppy are you close to this situation? How do you know so much?
Poppy john

Los Angeles, CA

#372 Nov 14, 2008
Sean, why do you want to know?
Sean

Leechburg, PA

#373 Nov 14, 2008
Poppy, I don't want you to reveal any information. I just have been reading this board and I notice that it seems to be one sided. The cys system is corrupted. Is this a fact or are people saying that to try to justify why there children are in the system. No system is without fault, but the majority of the posting are against the cys system. my question are you close is to find out the truth about the system not any information pertaining any case.
molinar0

Concord, CA

#374 Nov 18, 2008
Sean wrote:
<quoted text>
Poppy are you close to this situation? How do you know so much?
More like a wolf in sheeps clothing.
molinaro

Concord, CA

#375 Nov 18, 2008
I really get a good laugh on here,honestly I do.For anybody who wishes to print my name on here ...I'd like you to look up libel and what it means.See I am listening to my attorney and he told me about this wonderful thing called libel and the intentional infliction of mental distress.Oh and how I spend every waking minute of my life is nobody's concern....well it should be some people's concern.How does the saying go....hmmm something like if you live in glass house.
molinaro

Concord, CA

#376 Nov 18, 2008
oh yeah I;m already one mad hornet...just not sure who to sting first.
Sean

United States

#377 Nov 18, 2008
molinar0 wrote:
<quoted text>
More like a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Molinaro

If the statements that are being made about you are false and causing you distress then report them to the moderator of this site.

You shouldn't have to take any abuse on this site.

I was just wondering if the person had a personal interest in this matter, but it doesn't sound like it.
The Man

Coraopolis, PA

#378 Nov 19, 2008
Don't expect any form of real government from the legal system. Most judges are corrupt throughout the Western District of PA including but not limited to the US Attorney's office and also Tom Corbett himself. Just look at the facts concerning the casino money and the Vegas ties there.

Disalle has ties to organized crime as well as several police officers who randomly engage in kidnappings which ties in with Allegheny County and their Sheriff's department. Also keep in mind that most of the corrupt attorneys all work together. It's a RICO enterprise that even the FBI can't keep up on.
Steve

Spotsylvania, VA

#379 Nov 21, 2008
Yeah everyone is in on it.

Want to ask you all. Was there any truth what's so ever in the complaint CYS received on you? Or did they just bring a swat team, bust down your door and remove your children without any complaint.Why are they going through all this trouble to remove kids when parents are dropping them off under the safe haven laws?

No rally yet. I know someone tried to get a permit but that person is in on it also.
Poppy John

Los Angeles, CA

#380 Nov 21, 2008
Jan, Lets pretend you are a case worker. It should not be too hard for you to imagine. You seem like you want to help families. Of course you may lack your degree or maybe you do have one in social work.
but let us just use good common sense, Do you have that?

You get a report that someone has sexually molested a child. You are sent out to investigate. The child says yes they were molested.The child tells of the drug use involved and the domestic violence. The perv confesses and drug test are positive.What would you do?
chris

Whitehall, PA

#381 Nov 21, 2008
I think cys is trying to take our children (why)
I dont know why There is no reasoning !!!!
PLEASE HELP US. THIS WOULD DISTROIE THESE KIDS.
We went to a lawyer in our town and he was no help he said he cant help til thay take them.
Robin

Philadelphia, PA

#383 Nov 26, 2008
Jan wrote:
<quoted text>
How I obtained a copy of the CYS manual is irrevelant. As to why, I dont put in online should be glaringly obvious.
No, it does not make sense for a caseworker to close cases or find them unfounded. CYS is not much different than any other business ( yes it is a business. Evaluations are given and one doesnt demonstrate their worthiness by closing cases as unfounded. Higher wage scales are not paid out to CYS workers who merely close before running a family through the system.
It is no coincidence that child abuses cases have quadrupled over the past decades. It is a very fair question to ask why the term *child abuse* now covers every aspect of parenting.
Jan, you have a copy of the Pa CYS manual? Is there any way I could get a copy from you? I'm willing to pay for a copy. My little 3 year old boy was taken from us this October because of a spanking (with a hand on the butt) that happened in March.. The stupid CYS workers thought we were hitting him and burning him with cigarettes too because of marks on his legs from a skin infection that he was taken to the doctor for and treated. When we could present medical records, they flew off the handle about the spanking. We were pretty much denied appeals and the caseworker lied about notifying us about the hearing when the judge put him in CYS custody....we have documentation to prove that he lied about it. This jerk went in front of the judge and told him that my husband is suspected of substance abuse (there is absolutely no indication or history of that) and that I stated "I would rather work with dead people than be home with my son." (I'm sure I would open up my heart that much to someone I hate). There was nothing in the paperwork about a dirty house or not feeding my child. His foster mom even comments on what a polite, wonderful little boy he is... He doesn't understand why he can't go home with mommy and daddy. And by the way...I was NOT the one who spanked him, so I can't possibly understand why he was taken from me. I don't do drugs, he's never left alone, I go to school full time and work part time... I'm a good mother, these monsters will pay for what they did to our family.

This caseworker is now refusing to release any files and doing his best to prevent my lawyer from doing his job. This man called today to notify us that the hearing where we were to start the process of getting our son back was moved back another month....no Christmas with my baby boy. He said he notified the lawyer...another lie. Our lawyer is now working on this...he is filing paperwork for the case cause CYS refuses to release anything in our file.
I hope the people defending CYS one day have the pleasure of dealing with them and have the feeling of only being allowed to see their child for 2 hours a month, locked in a tiny room with no toys and a CYS caseworker staring at you from a 2 way mirror. I hope they get to hear their young child's cries and begging to go home while the foster mother drags them away. My son is NOT abused, NEVER was abused and was ripped from a LOVING family. The CYS workers are liars and try to intimidate you into getting what they want. We have been threatened several times by the workers and they have tried to force us into signing papers that would mean we were guilty and would be subjected to their B/S services. We have been lied to at EVERY SINGLE meeting and the caseworker continuously tries approaching us without our lawyer and WILL NOT have a meeting with us with our lawyer present.... I guess you do NOT have the right for legal representation here in Pennsylvania. CYS does not care to hear the truth...they just want to bully people into confessing and doing whatever they want. I'm just happy to be able to afford a lawyer to deal with these people. What happens to the families that can't afford the $5,000 retainer?
Robin

Philadelphia, PA

#384 Nov 26, 2008
Jan, you have a copy of the Pa CYS manual? Is there any way I could get a copy from you? I'm willing to pay for a copy. My little 3 year old boy was taken from us this October because of a spanking (with a hand on the butt) that happened in March.. The stupid CYS workers thought we were hitting him and burning him with cigarettes too because of marks on his legs from a skin infection that he was taken to the doctor for and treated. When we could present medical records, they flew off the handle about the spanking. We were pretty much denied appeals and the caseworker lied about notifying us about the hearing when the judge put him in CYS custody....we have documentation to prove that he lied about it. This jerk went in front of the judge and told him that my husband is suspected of substance abuse (there is absolutely no indication or history of that) and that I stated "I would rather work with dead people than be home with my son." (I'm sure I would open up my heart that much to someone I hate). There was nothing in the paperwork about a dirty house or not feeding my child. His foster mom even comments on what a polite, wonderful little boy he is... He doesn't understand why he can't go home with mommy and daddy. And by the way...I was NOT the one who spanked him, so I can't possibly understand why he was taken from me. I don't do drugs, he's never left alone, I go to school full time and work part time... I'm a good mother, these monsters will pay for what they did to our family.

This caseworker is now refusing to release any files and doing his best to prevent my lawyer from doing his job. This man called today to notify us that the hearing where we were to start the process of getting our son back was moved back another month....no Christmas with my baby boy. He said he notified the lawyer...another lie. Our lawyer is now working on this...he is filing paperwork for the case cause CYS refuses to release anything in our file.
I hope the people defending CYS one day have the pleasure of dealing with them and have the feeling of only being allowed to see their child for 2 hours a month, locked in a tiny room with no toys and a CYS caseworker staring at you from a 2 way mirror. I hope they get to hear their young child's cries and begging to go home while the foster mother drags them away. My son is NOT abused, NEVER was abused and was ripped from a LOVING family. The CYS workers are liars and try to intimidate you into getting what they want. We have been threatened several times by the workers and they have tried to force us into signing papers that would mean we were guilty and would be subjected to their B/S services. We have been lied to at EVERY SINGLE meeting and the caseworker continuously tries approaching us without our lawyer and WILL NOT have a meeting with us with our lawyer present.... I guess you do NOT have the right for legal representation here in Pennsylvania. CYS does not care to hear the truth...they just want to bully people into confessing and doing whatever they want. I'm just happy to be able to afford a lawyer to deal with these people. What happens to the families that can't afford the $5,000 retainer?

Since: Jul 08

Pittsburgh, PA

#386 Nov 29, 2008
Then your lawyer's not worth paying a fee to.
I know something could be done,The threat can be stop.
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chris wrote:
I think cys is trying to take our children (why)
I dont know why There is no reasoning !!!!
PLEASE HELP US. THIS WOULD DISTROIE THESE KIDS.
We went to a lawyer in our town and he was no help he said he cant help til thay take them.
You might want to find anothe lawyer some are not trustable.

Dennis M Mcculloughg Washpa
Jan

Washington, PA

#387 Dec 1, 2008
Poppy John wrote:
Jan, Lets pretend you are a case worker. It should not be too hard for you to imagine. You seem like you want to help families. Of course you may lack your degree or maybe you do have one in social work.
but let us just use good common sense, Do you have that?
You get a report that someone has sexually molested a child. You are sent out to investigate. The child says yes they were molested.The child tells of the drug use involved and the domestic violence. The perv confesses and drug test are positive.What would you do?
Poppy

The Perv confessed to what? Define Molested? The child was molested by whom, when and how? How was this information obtained and was it collaborated, and if so by whom?

No, I am not a social worker but I did just return from a very well known University in the North-East. Where I gave a lecture, so I reckon I might know a thing or two.

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