Drilling opponents fight for Monongah...

Drilling opponents fight for Monongahela River

There are 44 comments on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review story from Nov 4, 2010, titled Drilling opponents fight for Monongahela River. In it, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports that:

A day after hundreds of protesters marched Downtown, about 50 people opposed to drilling for gas in the Marcellus shale formation took up signs Thursday in Clairton and marched again, this time to a wastewater treatment plant.

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Rasputin

Houston, TX

#1 Nov 5, 2010
Consider the absurdity in this. A profitable enterprise from an industry with an excellent health, safety and environmental record is barred from even seeking a construction permit so that the useless old shitholes of US Steel, which make no money, have a putrid HSE record and produce nothing but garbage, poison gas and dead bodies 24/7 may remain in service! Perhaps the years of poison gas exposure, combined with brutalization by USS/USW and their dirty union goons have destroyed even the capacity for rational thought.

Ask not what these bums ever did for you -- ask what you can do for their shitholes.

Oh....and do have a nice day -- but don't breathe too deeply!
Not a teacher

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#2 Nov 5, 2010
I'm with you Rasputin however you stopped a little short. What about COAL? They are much worse for the environment than natural gas but are welcome here with open arms.

Also, Donnan is a local landscaper. He makes his living by spraying pesicides that enter our water table.
Not a teacher

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#4 Nov 5, 2010
Just reread this article. Donnan is from Peters. Contrary to his quote, there isn't any drilling in Peters. His water would come from the Mon. Mine also comes from the Mon river and continues to taste and smell great.
Rasputin

Houston, TX

#5 Nov 5, 2010
Not a teacher wrote:
I'm with you Rasputin however you stopped a little short. What about COAL? They are much worse for the environment than natural gas but are welcome here with open arms.
Also, Donnan is a local landscaper. He makes his living by spraying pesicides that enter our water table.
Actually, I HAVE mentioned numerous modern coal-based industries on numerous other posts -- gasification, liquication, refining, petrochemicals and pharmaceuticals to name but a few. MODERN steel plants -- the only kind worth having -- are also an option. Such facilities have proved profitable, safe and environmentally clean in Germany, Japan, Korea and elsewhere.
Needless to say I was duly chastised for this by those shithole bums who purport to be "steelwokers". According to them ANY sort of modern technology is a "job killer" and ANY form of progress is a "conspiracy". Heaven forbid they should have to learn anything new -- that time would be better spent getting drunk! Better to rely on obsolete technology, breakdown maintenance, depreciated assets, equipment that belongs in the junkyard and last, but certainly not least, government life support. after all, this last is a "sure thing".
So in closing, I will thank you once more for your concurrence. Perhaps now you will also understand my lack of sympathy for these dirty union goons. Have a nice day -- and in your case, mean it
Not a teacher

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#6 Nov 5, 2010
"Bob Donnan, 59, of Peters said drilling began near his home in 2008 and his tap water "started smelling and tasting bad.""

Why would this reporter publish this quote? There is no drilling in Peters Township. There aren't even any permits in Peters Township. The Mon River doesn't flow near Peters Township. Aren't newspapers responsible for fact checking?
Rasputin

Houston, TX

#7 Nov 5, 2010
Not a teacher wrote:
"Bob Donnan, 59, of Peters said drilling began near his home in 2008 and his tap water "started smelling and tasting bad.""
Why would this reporter publish this quote? There is no drilling in Peters Township. There aren't even any permits in Peters Township. The Mon River doesn't flow near Peters Township. Aren't newspapers responsible for fact checking?
Meanwhile US Steel spews poison gas 25/7, killing innocent people to produce garbage, while it survives off government life support and whines about "hardships" -- and the USW bemoans about such fantasies as "job killers" and "conspiracy theories"
Gunga Din

Braddock, PA

#8 Nov 5, 2010
Marcellus people full of shit. Range Resources full of shit. DEP full of shit. Clairton Municipal Authority full of shit. Water bad. Cannot take out toxins. See what happen people full of shit when they drink water.

DEP allow dumping saying more water in river disperses toxins to lower level ppm. How much drinking lower level ppm becomes higher level ppm. Liver and kidney failure imminent.

Acid take out. Any shithole can do that.
Rasputin

Houston, TX

#9 Nov 5, 2010
Gunga Din wrote:
Marcellus people full of shit. Range Resources full of shit. DEP full of shit. Clairton Municipal Authority full of shit. Water bad. Cannot take out toxins. See what happen people full of shit when they drink water.
DEP allow dumping saying more water in river disperses toxins to lower level ppm. How much drinking lower level ppm becomes higher level ppm. Liver and kidney failure imminent.
Acid take out. Any shithole can do that.
My point is that as long as the MonValley is stuck with these useless old shitholes that US Steel chooses to regard as steel mills and these dirty union goons who think they really are "steelworkers" -- the only REAL ones live overseas -- the efforts to control pollution are as futile as our efforts to evolve a better class of people......and for the same reasons!

The rest of the MonValley Region must be sacrificed so that these bums can continue to "live some place nice", produce garbage and call it steel, go one believing that "job killers" and "conspiracy theories" are real and make believe it will always be 1955 forever.

Ted Kennedy is dead -- long live Obama? Oh I hope not!
Not a teacher

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#10 Nov 5, 2010
Hey Gunga Din, you forgot someone. Seems incredibly obvious that Bob Donnan is full of shit. Why did you leave him off of your list?
Rasputin

Houston, TX

#11 Nov 6, 2010
Not a teacher wrote:
Hey Gunga Din, you forgot someone. Seems incredibly obvious that Bob Donnan is full of shit. Why did you leave him off of your list?
Don't worry. As long as US Steel is allowed o operate those useless old shitholes, there will always be plenty of shit and plenty of garbage to go around. REAL Coke and REAL Steel?

BUY FOREIGN AND SCREW THE UNION!
Not a teacher

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#12 Nov 6, 2010
Still don't understand. Bob Donnan lies and the Tribune Review prints it. This wasn't even a lie that was difficult to detect! As you know Mr. Donnan, there is NO DRILLING in PETERS TOWNSHIP. Even if there was, it wouldn't cause problems with your "city water". Also, please quit spraying your pesticides. You don't care about the environment at all, you just like being in the news.
Rasputin

Houston, TX

#13 Nov 6, 2010
Not a teacher wrote:
Still don't understand. Bob Donnan lies and the Tribune Review prints it. This wasn't even a lie that was difficult to detect! As you know Mr. Donnan, there is NO DRILLING in PETERS TOWNSHIP. Even if there was, it wouldn't cause problems with your "city water". Also, please quit spraying your pesticides. You don't care about the environment at all, you just like being in the news.
Maybe US Steel or some of the union goons put him up to it.
Gunga Din

Braddock, PA

#14 Nov 6, 2010
Hey Not a Teacher, I know nothing of Donnan. You want to say he is full of shit you go right ahead.

I do know the gent from the DEP spins the issue. So does the guy from Range Resources.
DEP says that all drillers are required to treat all wastewater FOR ACIDS. Hell I have done that at mines with plain old lime. He does not say that the watertreatment systems are not yet capable of treating the water and removing the chemicals (toxins) and minerals (heavy metals).

The guy from Range Resources says they cannot dispose of any "UNTREATED" oil or gas water into streams. What treatment? I know of no local plant that can remove the heavy metals or these toxins at present. DO YOU?

What they permit is that any municipal authority can dump this shit into the river based on a percentage of the volume they handle. They qualify this dumping based on parts per million.
The more volume a sewage plant has the more wastewater they are permitted to push through thereby not exceeding the DEP allowed ppm.

This shit will eventually concentrate somewhere and those there will have significant health issues. Here, who knows how much time it will take but eventually we will also start seeing problems
Not a teacher

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#15 Nov 6, 2010
Gunga Din wrote:
Hey Not a Teacher, I know nothing of Donnan. You want to say he is full of shit you go right ahead.
Bob Donnan is full of shit!
Norton

New Castle, PA

#16 Nov 6, 2010
Seems not a teacher cannot discuss this matter.

Same AOL
Not a teacher

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#17 Nov 7, 2010
Let's review, Norton.

1)I supported Rasputin's view on steel

2)I furthered the discussion by noting that Coal gets ignored in this discussion even though they continue to heavily damage our environment.

3) I brought to light the irony that a landscaper, who makes his living introducing pesticides into our water supply, is protesting chemicals in our water supply. I'm surprised that the media doesn't find this ironic.

4) I live in the area and know that Donnan's comment on drilling in Peters Township is incorrect. I wondered why the media didn't know that there isn't any drilling in Peters Township.

5) I live in the area and know that Peters gets "city water" from the Mon. How would drilling in Peters have made his water taste bad? Why didn't the media question this?

Just my opinion but seems like I'm the only one discussing here. I'll gladly discuss any of the above or anything else that you have on your mind.
Rasputin

Houston, TX

#18 Nov 7, 2010
Not a teacher wrote:
Let's review, Norton.
1)I supported Rasputin's view on steel
2)I furthered the discussion by noting that Coal gets ignored in this discussion even though they continue to heavily damage our environment.
3) I brought to light the irony that a landscaper, who makes his living introducing pesticides into our water supply, is protesting chemicals in our water supply. I'm surprised that the media doesn't find this ironic.
4) I live in the area and know that Donnan's comment on drilling in Peters Township is incorrect. I wondered why the media didn't know that there isn't any drilling in Peters Township.
5) I live in the area and know that Peters gets "city water" from the Mon. How would drilling in Peters have made his water taste bad? Why didn't the media question this?
Just my opinion but seems like I'm the only one discussing here. I'll gladly discuss any of the above or anything else that you have on your mind.
Your comments seem to suggest collusion between this individual and USS/OSW. Certainly there is a mutuality of interest in keeping new industry locked out, the local economy locked down and a general mintenance of the status quo, New industries in the MonValley would mean new people -- a better class of people -- who might not understand or accept a corporation that produced nothing but garbage, poison gas and corpses while surviving on government life support. The might start talking to people already here about it. They might not like these people who "prefer to live some place nice, but commute to pollute and rip-off the loot".

A lot of people don't like the status quo very much now....but...if they start getting the idea that it's a REAL BAD THING.....bye-bye US Steel.
Rasputin

Houston, TX

#19 Nov 7, 2010
Not a teacher wrote:
Let's review, Norton.
1)I supported Rasputin's view on steel
2)I furthered the discussion by noting that Coal gets ignored in this discussion even though they continue to heavily damage our environment.
3) I brought to light the irony that a landscaper, who makes his living introducing pesticides into our water supply, is protesting chemicals in our water supply. I'm surprised that the media doesn't find this ironic.
4) I live in the area and know that Donnan's comment on drilling in Peters Township is incorrect. I wondered why the media didn't know that there isn't any drilling in Peters Township.
5) I live in the area and know that Peters gets "city water" from the Mon. How would drilling in Peters have made his water taste bad? Why didn't the media question this?
Just my opinion but seems like I'm the only one discussing here. I'll gladly discuss any of the above or anything else that you have on your mind.
A word of caution.....these bums do not like free thought or rational discussion. It threatens there fanatasies about "job killlers" and "conspiracy theories" that are necessary to rationalize and uphold the status quo. Only in this way can they continue to "live some place nice", make believe it's 1955 forever, and continue to focus on getting drunk.
Not a teacher

AOL

#20 Nov 7, 2010
Let's review, Norton.

1)I supported Rasputin's view on steel

2)I furthered the discussion by noting that Coal gets ignored in this discussion even though they continue to heavily damage our environment.

3) I brought to light the irony that a landscaper, who makes his living introducing pesticides into our water supply, is protesting chemicals in our water supply. I'm surprised that the media doesn't find this ironic.

4) I live in the area and know that Donnan's comment on drilling in Peters Township is incorrect. I wondered why the media didn't know that there isn't any drilling in Peters Township.

5) I live in the area and know that Peters gets "city water" from the Mon. How would drilling in Peters have made his water taste bad? Why didn't the media question this?

Just my opinion but seems like I'm the only one discussing here. I'll gladly discuss any of the above or anything else that you have on your mind.

Addition: While Gunga Din was calling people out I suggessted that he include Bob Donnan. He rejected the idea but I didn't.

Again, I'll discuss!
Gunga Din

Braddock, PA

#21 Nov 7, 2010
I said I knew nothing of Bob Donnan.

What I stated was the fact that these heavy metals and toxins CANNOT be removed by any watertreatment plants' present capabilities.

They are dumping these polutants into the water and their "reason" is that it dissepates because the volume of the "tainted" water is only a small portion of the total volume flow through any treatment plant and therefore "meets" the DEP ppm limits.

That is my point. The shit is still being dumped in the water and polutes the water. What the DEP has done is a "temporary fix" allowing these drillers to polute in the meantime because they do not have sufficient data. Drillers are not all providing the data on these chemicals as well.

Can you disprove this statement?

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