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Morris, IL

#42 Jul 1, 2012
Yes Taxing medical device manufacturers where does it stop...
Teaman wrote:
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Dred Scott was imposed by SCOTUS too.
Didn't the House just pass a bill repealing the medical device tax in the same healthcare law? Harry Reid's senate of no may resist it, but there are some democrats that have medical device makers in their states.

Since: Aug 10

Hollis Center, ME

#43 Jul 1, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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Dred Scott was imposed by SCOTUS too.
Didn't the House just pass a bill repealing the medical device tax in the same healthcare law? Harry Reid's senate of no may resist it, but there are some democrats that have medical device makers in their states.
LOl, a conservative calling a this a senate of no, right after the right filibustered EVERYTHING for two years?

Yes, the medical device tax repeal law passed in the house, but because the provision was part of a larger bill/law, it would still need 60 votes to break a filibuster.

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#44 Jul 1, 2012
FFS- wrote:
<quoted text>LOl, a conservative calling a this a senate of no, right after the right filibustered EVERYTHING for two years?
Yes, the medical device tax repeal law passed in the house, but because the provision was part of a larger bill/law, it would still need 60 votes to break a filibuster.
I'm pretty sure the senate rules has a provision making tax provisions not subject to filibuster, but I could be wrong. Reconciliation needs only a simple majority, being they can be used for other things beside a budget now. That could come into play.

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#45 Jul 1, 2012
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Yes but the 13th and 14th amendments nullified the decision of the court concerning DRED SCOTT.
The point was SCOTUS gets it wrong sometimes. Their decisions aren't carved in stone. The recent decision of corporate personhood overturned two previous court decisions. Of course, that decision could be wrong from your perspective.:-)

Since: Aug 10

Hollis Center, ME

#46 Jul 1, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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I'm pretty sure the senate rules has a provision making tax provisions not subject to filibuster, but I could be wrong. Reconciliation needs only a simple majority, being they can be used for other things beside a budget now. That could come into play.
I have no doubt they will try anything they can, and likely a few things they cant.

I really dont think it will matter annyhow. Looking at the electoral map, i just dont see a path to Romney winning. He is trailing in nealry all swing states at this point, and he MUST win OH, FLA, And VA....which is not very likely

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#47 Jul 1, 2012
FFS- wrote:
<quoted text>I have no doubt they will try anything they can, and likely a few things they cant.
I really dont think it will matter annyhow. Looking at the electoral map, i just dont see a path to Romney winning. He is trailing in nealry all swing states at this point, and he MUST win OH, FLA, And VA....which is not very likely
You might be right about that. If Romney hopes to win, he better fire his buddies and hire some pros to run his campaign. Obama certainly has some professionals that are very good at what they do.
CONSERVATIVE

Commerce, GA

#48 Jul 2, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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You might be right about that. If Romney hopes to win, he better fire his buddies and hire some pros to run his campaign. Obama certainly has some professionals that are very good at what they do.
Call me overly optimistic, but I just don't see anything he can point to and say, I did that, and it be something that has done anything much to get the economy going and people back to work. I don't see where any logical, rational, thinking person can be honest with themselves and say this guy deserves 4 more yrs? I don't believe nobama has anyone with any particularly exceptional campaign skills. Fact is back in 2008 the machine had so vilified Bush for 8 yrs, and the (R) putting up McCain who was lame at best. It wasn't going to take much to win. I present nobama as proof of that. I also point to nobama's pandering to the gays and Latinos as evidence he's still trying to secure his base. Now there is nobamacare. Which was sold as a penalty, but has been determined to in fact be a TAX. A tax he said would NOT impose on ANY Ameican making under $250k. It also breaks another pledge he made, not to sign ANY legislation that would add 1 cent to our debt. The CBO has reevaluated and determined nobamacare is going to cost almost DOUBLE what they said it would over the 1st 10yrs! Imagine that the gov't missing an estimate by half! Here in the real world, that could put you out of business! Yet another pledge he's broken was to cut the deficit in half by the end of his 1st term. Insted he has INCREASED it by 50%! He's said no to more domestic oil production. No to Keystone, something that would have decreased our dependence on Saudi oil and created jobs. He's lost alot of independents, a few % of the black vote. I also don't think Catholics and Jews will turn out for him like they did in 08 either. Call me crazy but I thing he's going to get his a$$ handed to him! If he doesn't we are going to be saying, we just thought we were in trouble! Tea Party 2012!

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#50 Jul 2, 2012
CONSERVATIVE wrote:
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Call me overly optimistic, but I just don't see anything he can point to and say, I did that, and it be something that has done anything much to get the economy going and people back to work. I don't see where any logical, rational, thinking person can be honest with themselves and say this guy deserves 4 more yrs? I don't believe nobama has anyone with any particularly exceptional campaign skills. Fact is back in 2008 the machine had so vilified Bush for 8 yrs, and the (R) putting up McCain who was lame at best. It wasn't going to take much to win. I present nobama as proof of that. I also point to nobama's pandering to the gays and Latinos as evidence he's still trying to secure his base. Now there is nobamacare. Which was sold as a penalty, but has been determined to in fact be a TAX. A tax he said would NOT impose on ANY Ameican making under $250k. It also breaks another pledge he made, not to sign ANY legislation that would add 1 cent to our debt. The CBO has reevaluated and determined nobamacare is going to cost almost DOUBLE what they said it would over the 1st 10yrs! Imagine that the gov't missing an estimate by half! Here in the real world, that could put you out of business! Yet another pledge he's broken was to cut the deficit in half by the end of his 1st term. Insted he has INCREASED it by 50%! He's said no to more domestic oil production. No to Keystone, something that would have decreased our dependence on Saudi oil and created jobs. He's lost alot of independents, a few % of the black vote. I also don't think Catholics and Jews will turn out for him like they did in 08 either. Call me crazy but I thing he's going to get his a$$ handed to him! If he doesn't we are going to be saying, we just thought we were in trouble! Tea Party 2012!
Nothing would make me happier than to have Obama's head handed to him, but the poles show a tight race in the swing states toward Obama's favor. The average voter is pretty much uninformed. The media isn't very objective. It wouldn't surprise me if the people in those swing states are giving Obama credit for things their governors are doing. Romney had better get on the stick.

I was just down in Georgia for a couple of weeks. The tea party is big down there!:-)
CONSERVATIVE

Commerce, GA

#51 Jul 2, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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Nothing would make me happier than to have Obama's head handed to him, but the poles show a tight race in the swing states toward Obama's favor. The average voter is pretty much uninformed. The media isn't very objective. It wouldn't surprise me if the people in those swing states are giving Obama credit for things their governors are doing. Romney had better get on the stick.
I was just down in Georgia for a couple of weeks. The tea party is big down there!:-)
Romney needs to be more aggressive. It befuttles me why his campaign doesn't capitalize more on nobama's weaknesses? It's not like he dosen't have any. We're pretty big down here. We will be back better than ever in the coming months, leading up to the election. We're going to make sure as many people as possible know EVERYTHING there is to know about the slanderer in thief! Tea Party 2012!

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#52 Jul 2, 2012
CONSERVATIVE wrote:
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Romney needs to be more aggressive. It befuttles me why his campaign doesn't capitalize more on nobama's weaknesses? It's not like he dosen't have any. We're pretty big down here. We will be back better than ever in the coming months, leading up to the election. We're going to make sure as many people as possible know EVERYTHING there is to know about the slanderer in thief! Tea Party 2012!
That's exactly what I meant. He had better hire some professionals to get the word out. There's an abundance of incompetence to work with.

It befuttles me how a pretty decent president gets voted out because of a read my lips statement and this guy has Teflon all over him.

I don't think there's any problem in Georgia.:-)
CONSERVATIVE

Commerce, GA

#53 Jul 2, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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That's exactly what I meant. He had better hire some professionals to get the word out. There's an abundance of incompetence to work with.
It befuttles me how a pretty decent president gets voted out because of a read my lips statement and this guy has Teflon all over him.
I don't think there's any problem in Georgia.:-)
No I think it's safe to say we are red, and I don't mean nobama's kind. The difference bewteen in Bush 41 and nobama, as sad as it is to say is one is (R) and one is (D) and we know who gets positive media coverage. We also know if the media was truly unbiased and did their jobs objectively. Democraps would become and endangered species. Unfortunately it ain't and we have to constantly play catchup. Like I said earlier, I may be overly optimistic but I believe his goose is cooked. We'll have to see what happens with the #'s after the HC ruling. This time next month I'll be surprised if we don't start seeing more positives on our side. Keep in mind the campaign hasn't even got started yet! Romney just needs to have his shyt straight and stay on the offensive. Let nobama be the one constantly playing catchup. Tea Party 2012!

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