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#62 Feb 1, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Your impossible you know that.You want it your way-sorry ain t gonna happen.You condemn and decry those who dont think like you in other words you still want a one party country like the old SOVIET UNION..
No, we don't want a one party system. But, we want to have a Constitutional Republic, not a Socialist Democracy. That is the bottom line. We have a a bunch of politicians in the House and Senate who only care about the next election so they can keep their high paying jobs. The Demos in Congress are so far to the left they make John F. Kennedy look like a conservative. The neo-con moderate GOPers need to be voted out too! These weak kneed, spineless Repubs talk just like the libs by calling our country a Democracy. We were founded as a Constitutional Democratic Republic.

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#63 Feb 2, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>NYET and if your calling me a commie then your name is JOESPH MCCARTHY..
We could use him now.The USA is infested with Commies,leftists and Muslim Jihadists. Obama is the Number One Muslim commie.
Anonymous

United States

#64 Feb 2, 2013
The amazing thing is that america has spent
Thousands of lives and billions of dollars fighting
Communism....and the dems gave up america
On a silver platter to a commie..black nationalist
Closet muslim.

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#65 Feb 2, 2013
What we need to do is get these New World Order Conspirators out of here!

1. If you don't own a gun, buy one! I have stated on a different thread that I don't own one, never did, and never will. I went too far. I'm going to buy one! Missouri doesn't hold to the Fed's anti-2nd Amendment. You can buy guns here. The crime rate's lower here too (except St Louis which is Democratic).

2. Join up with Patriot groups: Your local Tea Party and local organizations that are not run by one of the two major parties. Here's a good one:
http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/main/autho...

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#66 Feb 3, 2013
destroyerofworlds wrote:
The amazing thing is that america has spent
Thousands of lives and billions of dollars fighting
Communism....and the dems gave up america
On a silver platter to a commie..black nationalist
Closet muslim.
The Democratic Party has turned on America!

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#67 Feb 3, 2013
OneProphet wrote:
What we need to do is get these New World Order Conspirators out of here!
1. If you don't own a gun, buy one! I have stated on a different thread that I don't own one, never did, and never will. I went too far. I'm going to buy one! Missouri doesn't hold to the Fed's anti-2nd Amendment. You can buy guns here. The crime rate's lower here too (except St Louis which is Democratic).
2. Join up with Patriot groups: Your local Tea Party and local organizations that are not run by one of the two major parties. Here's a good one:
http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/main/autho...
Please see the Militia Act of 1792 wherein every person from the ages of 17 to 45 not only had the RIGHT to own Guns and Military gear but were ORDERED TO own them in defense of America. It also says that EVERY able bodied man in that age group IS IN the US Militia. That ACT is still in force TODAY in addition to the Second Amendment affirming that all Americans have a Right to bear arms and that it cannot be Infringed.

Since: Dec 09

Cleveland, TN

#68 Feb 3, 2013
@Dan, no politician wants to end abortion. It's a popular talking point, and even campaigning point, because it gets a rise out of people trying to pretend it's some kind of religious issue. People get pissed over things they don't understand, thus side with who they think represents their anger. But nobody has ever said they will make it illegal, and nobody will. They just want your vote. It's not something many politicians actually feel as strongly about as people like you, and would be political suicide. Plus it wouldn't stop people from having abortions.

@ OneProphet bringing up Reagan, and the guy on the first page talking about Obama ruining the economy... Livin under a rock? Seriously. Have you no clue as to the similarities economically between Obama and Reagan, or to the fact that we've been on a steady incline for 3 1/2 years?

Reagan and Obama both took office with similar unemployment rate. Under Obama, it stayed over 9% longer, but Reagan peaked at 0.8% higher, and stayed a few months over 10%. Right now, Obama is 0.2% lower than Reagan's 2nd inaugural month. If it's under 6% by the end of NEXT year, we'll still be on par or better.

People like to talk about the trillions in spending, but keep wanting to ignore how much of that was necessary no matter who took office. People also like to pretend that the first bailouts weren't Bush's and that the deficit wasn't over a trillion before Obama took office. Reagan and Bush Sr. quadrupled the debt in 12 years, and Jr. nearly doubled it again in his 8 years.

Of course, the debt is really an irrelevant number anyway, but just speaking for the sake of comparison. Your basis for comparison of this president's handling of this recession is hardly a stable one. You've basically only got your expectations to hold Obama up against, which you can change to make him fall short no matter how he's doing. But he's certainly not driving us into the ground by any standard set by any recent Republican presidents.

Since: Dec 09

Cleveland, TN

#69 Feb 3, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>
My case is based on incontrovertible facts.
Obama has never been a "Natural-Born Citizen" and therefore has never been the bona-fides President of the United States of America.
Oh but Laity, I've "controverted" your "facts" countless times in the past. It's humorous to see you still spouting the same nonsense.

As you and I both know, the constitution does not define what an NBC is. It's commonly understood to mean, basically as the name suggests, that natural means occurring at birth, rather than granted later by other means. And he was granted at birth, as far as you, I, or anyone else can prove.

Laity chased this one back a few different ways, but basically, he's looking at Art. 1 Sec. 8 Cl. 10 of the Constitution, where it mentions "offenses against the law of nations."

http://constitution.org/cmt/law_of_nations.ht...
This is what Jon Roland of the Constitution Society says about the meaning of "law of nations" in that constitutional clause.

Laity thinks it refers to the book "Law of Nations" by Vattel, in which Vattel states that natives are born of natives. A misquote of a mistranslation of this passage from Vattel leads Laity to then decide that the constitution says we must uphold Vattel's book which states that "NBC's are born from TWO NBC's." This is the train of thought we're all dealing with when Laity starts talking about treason...

Since: Dec 09

Cleveland, TN

#70 Feb 3, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>
Please see the Militia Act of 1792 wherein every person from the ages of 17 to 45 not only had the RIGHT to own Guns and Military gear but were ORDERED TO own them in defense of America. It also says that EVERY able bodied man in that age group IS IN the US Militia. That ACT is still in force TODAY in addition to the Second Amendment affirming that all Americans have a Right to bear arms and that it cannot be Infringed.
At the time of our revolution and shortly thereafter, state run militias were an actual thing of significance. They won us our freedom. They outnumbered any federal army by quite a bit.

The 2nd amendment states that people keep the right to arms because those "well regulated militia" are necessary to secure a free state. There's a huge difference between large, well regulated militia numbers helping to secure states when the federal army is not large enough to, and private hobbyists pissing and moaning about their right to own "cool" or "badass" assault rifles to hang in their gun case for bragging rights.

That aside, regulating to some degree what weapons can be owned, how they're registered, and who can own them, doesn't "infringe" on the general right of "the people" to own them. To suggest that any gun control law at all is such an infringement is the same as saying that any citizen, sane, responsible, or otherwise criminally dangerous, has the unrestricted right to artillery, tanks, RPGs, or any type of arms they wish to bear. That's what you're saying. And it's pretty silly when you think about it.
mike

United States

#71 Feb 3, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>
We could use him now.The USA is infested with Commies,leftists and Muslim Jihadists. Obama is the Number One Muslim commie.
Thats like saying the germans want hitler back..
mike

United States

#72 Feb 3, 2013
OneProphet wrote:
What we need to do is get these New World Order Conspirators out of here!
1. If you don't own a gun, buy one! I have stated on a different thread that I don't own one, never did, and never will. I went too far. I'm going to buy one! Missouri doesn't hold to the Fed's anti-2nd Amendment. You can buy guns here. The crime rate's lower here too (except St Louis which is Democratic).
2. Join up with Patriot groups: Your local Tea Party and local organizations that are not run by one of the two major parties. Here's a good one:
http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/main/autho...
For a so called christian you want to kill in the name of GOD...

Since: Dec 09

Cleveland, TN

#73 Feb 3, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>For a so called christian you want to kill in the name of GOD...
Robert too. He used to always go on about how Obama should be hanged or shot.

He's toned it back a bit since I called him on always wishing death, despite it not being his call as to which form of justice is used, as well as pointing out the lack of use of firing squad or hanging as a punishment in our country. Now, to avoid basically asking for the murder of our president, he mostly just says he should be tried for treason, and sometimes "put to death if found guilty" or something like that.
mike

United States

#74 Feb 3, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>
Please see the Militia Act of 1792 wherein every person from the ages of 17 to 45 not only had the RIGHT to own Guns and Military gear but were ORDERED TO own them in defense of America. It also says that EVERY able bodied man in that age group IS IN the US Militia. That ACT is still in force TODAY in addition to the Second Amendment affirming that all Americans have a Right to bear arms and that it cannot be Infringed.
Yeah its on the books but has been replaced by the NATIONAL GUARD early in the 20 th century when it was realized that the newer deadly weapons werent to fall into the hands of the average citizen and also allow the military to standardize training.Anyone knows that members in reserve units are put through basic training before being assigned and the citizen militas are no longer neccesary.

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#75 Feb 3, 2013
MarkD_ wrote:
<quoted text>Oh but Laity, I've "controverted" your "facts" countless times in the past. It's humorous to see you still spouting the same nonsense.
As you and I both know, the constitution does not define what an NBC is. It's commonly understood to mean, basically as the name suggests, that natural means occurring at birth, rather than granted later by other means. And he was granted at birth, as far as you, I, or anyone else can prove.
Laity chased this one back a few different ways, but basically, he's looking at Art. 1 Sec. 8 Cl. 10 of the Constitution, where it mentions "offenses against the law of nations."
http://constitution.org/cmt/law_of_nations.ht...
This is what Jon Roland of the Constitution Society says about the meaning of "law of nations" in that constitutional clause.
Laity thinks it refers to the book "Law of Nations" by Vattel, in which Vattel states that natives are born of natives. A misquote of a mistranslation of this passage from Vattel leads Laity to then decide that the constitution says we must uphold Vattel's book which states that "NBC's are born from TWO NBC's." This is the train of thought we're all dealing with when Laity starts talking about treason...
Vattel's definition is what the Founders used:

"One born in a country of parents who are citizens".

I never said that both parents had to be NBCs. I said that they both had to be American Citizens at the time of their child's birth on US Soil for their child to be an NBC.

As I said incontrovertible. Obama is NOT an NBC and is therefore,NOT the President of the U.S.A. Biden is also non bona-fides.

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#76 Feb 3, 2013
MarkD_ wrote:
<quoted text>At the time of our revolution and shortly thereafter, state run militias were an actual thing of significance. They won us our freedom. They outnumbered any federal army by quite a bit.
The 2nd amendment states that people keep the right to arms because those "well regulated militia" are necessary to secure a free state. There's a huge difference between large, well regulated militia numbers helping to secure states when the federal army is not large enough to, and private hobbyists pissing and moaning about their right to own "cool" or "badass" assault rifles to hang in their gun case for bragging rights.
That aside, regulating to some degree what weapons can be owned, how they're registered, and who can own them, doesn't "infringe" on the general right of "the people" to own them. To suggest that any gun control law at all is such an infringement is the same as saying that any citizen, sane, responsible, or otherwise criminally dangerous, has the unrestricted right to artillery, tanks, RPGs, or any type of arms they wish to bear. That's what you're saying. And it's pretty silly when you think about it.
The Second Amendment gives us the right to shoot tyrants. In case of usurpations,the people MUST obtain matching armories.
The Militia Act of 1792 is still in force. All able bodied menhave the right to own "Military" guns and are members of said militia if they are between the ages of 17 to 45. Hunting and Sport is not the only reason Gun Rights are in the Constitution. They are there so that we can kill tyrants and their minions who attack "We the People" unconstitutionally.

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#77 Feb 4, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Thats like saying the germans want hitler back..
NO. It isn't. McCarthy guarded the nation from Commies.

Hitler was a dictator who slaughtered millions of people.

YOU are a jerk.

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#78 Feb 4, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah its on the books but has been replaced by the NATIONAL GUARD early in the 20 th century when it was realized that the newer deadly weapons werent to fall into the hands of the average citizen and also allow the military to standardize training.Anyone knows that members in reserve units are put through basic training before being assigned and the citizen militas are no longer neccesary.
No excuses. As you have conceeded,the Law is still "on the books" and as such is valid law.

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#79 Feb 4, 2013
MarkD_ wrote:
<quoted text>Robert too. He used to always go on about how Obama should be hanged or shot.
He's toned it back a bit since I called him on always wishing death, despite it not being his call as to which form of justice is used, as well as pointing out the lack of use of firing squad or hanging as a punishment in our country. Now, to avoid basically asking for the murder of our president, he mostly just says he should be tried for treason, and sometimes "put to death if found guilty" or something like that.
"Toned it back"? I haven't toned anything back. Obama stands accused of treason and other crimes. He should be arrested and tried. If convicted,Obama SHOULD be SHOT TO DEATH BY A MILITARY FIRING SQUAD or HUNG BY THE NECK UNTIL DEAD. That is the penalty for treason,DEATH. Obama has never been our "President". He is a Usurper. I have NOT been advocating the murder of Obama OR any President. I advocate the execution of Obama if he is convicted.

Obama is a Traitor and a Spy under US Law.

See 18USC,Part 1,Chapter 115,Sec.2381
and
The UCMJ at S.906,A.106

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#80 Feb 4, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>For a so called christian you want to kill in the name of GOD...
Even in the Catholic Church the premise of "Just War" is acceptable. It is Societal self-defense to execute tyrants. Many people in the past have been killed in the name of God. God does not condemn Just Wars.

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#81 Feb 4, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>For a so called christian you want to kill in the name of GOD...
"We are endowed by the Creator certain unalienable rights". It is GOD that endowed "We the People" with the right to bear arms. That right involves the right to kill tyrants.

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