Obama, Romney prepare for first debate

Obama, Romney prepare for first debate

There are 48 comments on the Your News Now story from Oct 3, 2012, titled Obama, Romney prepare for first debate. In it, Your News Now reports that:

Mitt Romney and President Obama face off in Denver at 9 p.m. in the first of three presidential debates.

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Rico from East LA

Rowland Heights, CA

#21 Oct 4, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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You seem to be setting up a scenario of a President Romney having difficulty bringing compromising success to a bipartisan Congress and Senate, as he successfully accomplished in Massachusetts. Romney promises to have a workable solution to the horror imposed by Marxist Democrats over decades. You are saying it should continue with Obama's polarization and class warfare.
When Romney was Governor of Massachusetts... he wore his liberal attire, remember that.

Moreover, Romney has clearly made his candidacy all about class warfare when he told a group of 1%ers that he doesn't give a shit about 47% of America.

Now please, go find a better website to gather your info from. The radical right wing bullshit website you're using is a pathetic joke.

“RelaxEverythingW illBeAllright”

Since: Mar 11

Wichita, KS

#23 Oct 4, 2012
3OHA wrote:
The delusion of Democrats repeatedly claiming Romney has proposed something he hasn't, said something he hasn't, must now be repeated to convince Democrat faithful to believe they should not listen to the clarity of what Romney actually says, but to what Marxist Democrats say he says. The majority of debate viewers have listened and say the Democrats are full of crap.
Clarity? What clarity? In one breath, Romney told us that his "NEW" plan is to bring down the tax rate for everyone so that we could have more money to spend and buy things thus creating new jobs. Then in his next breath, Romney tells us that he will eliminate "loopholes" and "deductions" meaning the government will still be collecting the same amount.

Anyone who believes that collecting the same amount of tax as they collect now will leave more money in your pocket to spend and buy things thus creating new jobs needs to go back to elementary school and brush up on third grade level arithmetic.

“ONE NATION ONE FLAG :)”

Since: Aug 11

Pro-illegals are pro-crime!!

#24 Oct 4, 2012
Obama sound weak to me.
The Omitter

Fullerton, CA

#25 Oct 4, 2012
Looked like the Romster prepared very well on how to omit the specifics.

“RelaxEverythingW illBeAllright”

Since: Mar 11

Wichita, KS

#26 Oct 4, 2012
Shesback wrote:
Obama sound weak to me.
Dear Mitt Romney,

When you tell one lie, it leads to another
So you tell two lies to cover each other
Then you tell three lies and, Oh Brother,
You're in trouble up to your ears!

So you tell four lies to try to protect you
Then you tell five lies so folks won't suspect you
Then you tell six lies and you'll collect
A life filled with worries and fears

'Cause you can't remember how many lies you've told
And half the things you say aren't true
And sometime you'll slip up, you'll trip up and then
Whatever will become of you?

So you lie and lie without even trying
And each lie you tell will keep multiplying
'Till the whole wide world will know you're lying
Then you'll be
Suspected
Detected
Rejected
Neglected
Disliked
And you should!
When you lie, you're closing the door
On everything good
Election 2012

Washington, DC

#27 Oct 5, 2012
Republican wrote:
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I'm a Republican and after seeing last nights debate, I will now vote for Obama. Romney was too busy lying and not being clear on his policies.
A republican in North Hollywood? Puh-lease.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#28 Oct 5, 2012
"By 2004, the second year of his term, Mr. Romney was provoked enough to mount an unprecedented campaign to unseat Democratic legislators, spending $3 million in Republican party money and hiring a nationally known political strategist, Michael Murphy.

The effort failed spectacularly. Republicans lost seats, leaving them with their smallest legislative delegation since 1867. Democratic legislators were reported at the time to have been deeply angered by the campaignís tactics."
Really

Kansas City, MO

#29 Oct 5, 2012
REWBA wrote:
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Dear Mitt Romney,
When you tell one lie, it leads to another
So you tell two lies to cover each other
Then you tell three lies and, Oh Brother,
You're in trouble up to your ears!
So you tell four lies to try to protect you
Then you tell five lies so folks won't suspect you
Then you tell six lies and you'll collect
A life filled with worries and fears
'Cause you can't remember how many lies you've told
And half the things you say aren't true
And sometime you'll slip up, you'll trip up and then
Whatever will become of you?
So you lie and lie without even trying
And each lie you tell will keep multiplying
'Till the whole wide world will know you're lying
Then you'll be
Suspected
Detected
Rejected
Neglected
Disliked
And you should!
When you lie, you're closing the door
On everything good
Sort of like you registering as a Republican, then voting for the Dem? How many lies does that entail?
Really

Kansas City, MO

#30 Oct 5, 2012
Election 2012 wrote:
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A republican in North Hollywood? Puh-lease.
It's just Rico in East L A telling another whopper. Pay no attention at all!

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#31 Oct 5, 2012
Rico from East LA wrote:
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Learn your US Constitution. It's clearly states that the federal government shall collect taxes for the general welfare of the USA. It does not say that it should only be at the state level.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;....
General welfare of the United States (country) is different from public welfare or welfare of the individual. FDR had to threaten the supreme court with stacking the court to get that one through. General welfare was coupled with common defense if that gives you an idea of intent of the founders.

Do you see social programs enumerated under Article 1, section 8? Article 1 enumerates the powers of congress or the things they are supposed to collect taxes for (their job).

10th amendment reserves the powers not listed in article 1 to the states.

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#32 Oct 5, 2012
Rico from East LA wrote:
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Just face it... the GOP is a cesspool of fail.
It hasn't been the same since Nixon.
conservative crapola

Whitehall, PA

#33 Oct 5, 2012
The Omitter wrote:
Looked like the Romster prepared very well on how to omit the specifics.
rugby's lies couldn't move these numbers:

Electoral Vote:

Obama 332

rugby 206

hahahahahahaha
Election 2012

Washington, DC

#34 Oct 5, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
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rugby's lies couldn't move these numbers:
Electoral Vote:
Obama 332
rugby 206
hahahahahahaha
Meanwhile, Romney leading in Florida, Virginia, and depending on how you read it, Ohio.

Suck it, loser.

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#35 Oct 5, 2012
REWBA wrote:
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Clarity? What clarity? In one breath, Romney told us that his "NEW" plan is to bring down the tax rate for everyone so that we could have more money to spend and buy things thus creating new jobs. Then in his next breath, Romney tells us that he will eliminate "loopholes" and "deductions" meaning the government will still be collecting the same amount.
Anyone who believes that collecting the same amount of tax as they collect now will leave more money in your pocket to spend and buy things thus creating new jobs needs to go back to elementary school and brush up on third grade level arithmetic.
The rate is lowered for small, not incorporated, businesses that pay the income tax rate. The plumber with three or four employees, the pizza shop, the guy that comes out to fix your air conditioner, and so on. A small business doesn't have children and other similar things to deduct and pay the high rate. The lower incomes will pay the same as before with a balanced deduction reduction. The upper incomes are hit with loop hole closings, although, he doesn't say what these loop holes are. I suspect he doesn't want to lose big campaign donors. It's up to congress to determine what loop holes are closed anyway being all taxes derive in the House. The theory is the same small businesses would be able to hire more with a lower income tax rate and revenue is raised by a larger volume of tax payers. The higher incomes pay a little more by closing loop holes.

The Obama tax the rich plan doesn't even cover the interest we pay on the debt.
ABWBA

Omaha, NE

#37 Oct 6, 2012
REWBA wrote:
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Sure, a business may not be able to take a deduction for dependents...but, a father of three cannot file bankruptcy without it sticking to his name and credit score either.
A businessman can bankrupt hundreds of businesses without getting all that shame and bad credit smeared all over his good name. Just ask ole Mittens Romney. He knows all about getting rich bankrupting small businesses.
Lay off the pipe.

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#38 Oct 6, 2012
REWBA wrote:
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Sure, a business may not be able to take a deduction for dependents...but, a father of three cannot file bankruptcy without it sticking to his name and credit score either.
A businessman can bankrupt hundreds of businesses without getting all that shame and bad credit smeared all over his good name. Just ask ole Mittens Romney. He knows all about getting rich bankrupting small businesses.
You do know American Airlines is operating under bankruptcy protection now, right? GM filed bankruptcy.

What does bankruptcy have to do with Romney's tax rates?

“Natural selection created apes”

Since: Jun 10

Religion made them human

#41 Oct 6, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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General welfare of the United States (country) is different from public welfare or welfare of the individual. FDR had to threaten the supreme court with stacking the court to get that one through. General welfare was coupled with common defense if that gives you an idea of intent of the founders.
Do you see social programs enumerated under Article 1, section 8? Article 1 enumerates the powers of congress or the things they are supposed to collect taxes for (their job).
10th amendment reserves the powers not listed in article 1 to the states.
Back to this again, Teaman? It doesn't matter how many times you repeat the same t-bagger sht it doesn't make it true.
Do you understand the meaning of "res judicata"? The meaning of "general welfare" has been debated, settled and is not open to further judicial review.

Helvering v. Davis,(1937) Supreme Court opinion written by Justice Benjamin N. Cardozo. This decision slams shut further judicial review of Congress' right to interpret the "general welfare" clause. It also gives you the reason why the Court insists in interpreting this way.

[Excerpts of Helvering v. Davis]
"Congress may spend money in aid of the 'general welfare'[...] There have been great statesmen in our history who have stood for other views[...] The line must still be drawn between one welfare and another, between particular and general. Where this shall be placed cannot be known through a formula in advance of the event[...] The discretion belongs to Congress, unless the choice is clearly wrong, a display of arbitrary power, not an exercise of judgment. This is now familiar law."

"The problem [social security] is plainly national in area and dimensions. Moreover, laws of the separate states cannot deal with it effectively. Congress, at least, had a basis for that belief. States and local governments are often lacking in the resources that are necessary to finance an adequate program of security for the aged. This is brought out with a wealth of illustration in recent studies of the problem. Apart from the failure of resources, states and local governments are at times reluctant to increase so heavily the burden of taxation to be borne by their residents for fear of placing themselves in a position of economic disadvantage as compared with neighbors or competitors. We have seen this in our study of the problem of unemployment compensation[...] A system of old age pensions has special dangers of its own if put in force in one state and rejected in another. The existence of such a system is a bait to the needy and dependent elsewhere, encouraging them to migrate and seek a haven of repose. Only a power that is national can serve the interests of all."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/socsec/course/read...
In other words, the United States Supreme Court has decided on multiple occasions (Helvering v. Davis, supra., United States v. Butler,(1936), et.al.), that Congress decides what's "general welfare" and what's "necessary and proper" - not the Constitution.

Why do you folk keep beating the same dog? It sounds pretty rhino to me, Teaman.

Move on, man....

“"One for the claws"”

Since: Jul 10

Sin City,U.S.A.

#42 Oct 6, 2012
Republican wrote:
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Our Nation has had forms of socialism embedded into our daily lives going on 100 years so now for the 100 dollar question, why do people like you pretend that socialism does not work if its worked so well "in limited scope" in the USA?
Please don't run away, I'd like to hear your response.
Complete socialism doesn't work. Its been tried and tried before. Eventually you run out of other people's money to spend. It doesn't work. Just ask the USSR. OOPS. That's right they don't exist anymore. Complete socialism failed there. They now want to try it again here. This country is heading for the same cliff that the USSR dropped off of.
Gish Gallop

Nesconset, NY

#43 Oct 6, 2012
Romney Won Using a Debate Technique Called the Gish Gallop

Named for the debate tactic created by creationist shill Duane Gish, a Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent canít address let alone counter all of it. To make matters worse a Gish Gallop will often have one or more 'talking points' that has a tiny core of truth to it, making the person rebutting it spend even more time debunking it in order to explain that, yes, it's not totally false but the Galloper is distorting/misusing/misstating the actual situation. A true Gish Gallop generally has two traits.
1) The factual and logical content of the Gish Gallop is pure bullshit and anybody knowledgeable and informed on the subject would recognize it as such almost instantly. That is, the Gish Gallop is designed to appeal to and deceive precisely those sorts of people who are most in need of honest factual education.
2) The points are all ones that the Galloper either knows, or damn well should know, are totally bullshit. With the slimier users of the Gish Gallop, like Gish himself, its a near certainty that the points are chosen not just because the Galloper knows that they're bullshit, but because the Galloper is deliberately trying to shovel as much bullshit into as small a space as possible in order to overwhelm his opponent with sheer volume and bamboozle any audience members with a facade of scholarly acumen and factual knowledge.
Gish Gallop

Massapequa, NY

#44 Oct 7, 2012
I'd like to point out that he also did something that is really unprecedented in U.S. presidential elections: He drew stark differences on philosphy (Taxation, size of government, e.g.), but when Obama (or Lehrer) inevitably moved the question to policy, Romney either said that they completely agreed ("my healthplan covers pre-existing conditions", "I don't give a $5 trillion tax cut, that would be crazy", "my tax plan does not lower taxes on the rich, that would be wrong"), and/or he simply denied facts or policy implications of his philosophy.

Strategy: We agree on most policies. We disagree on philosophy.

This is specifically done to get independents to think he's reasonable by painting a path for them to make an easy emotional decision.

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