Westmoreland Man, 71, Faces Murder Charge

Sep 30, 2008 Full story: The Free Lance-Star 36

A 71-year-old Westmoreland County man has been charged with murdering his brother-in-law early Sunday at Coles Point.

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joels brother

Niles, MI

#21 Apr 29, 2009
Kay M wrote:
Their Niece, thanks for posting an update.
Imfamily, you may have misunderstood what I meant by "turns my stomach," I can't think about the moments leading up to the gun being fired. I never said, nor do I believe that this incident happened because of malicious intent. I was just expressing my feelings on losing someone I know. I hope this clarifies my previous post.
violent unprovoked murder is always the result of malicious intent--killer Ray left the room to get his gun, returned and executed my brother--all with a very policeman-like .32 alcohol level in his body--certainly a candidte for hell if they'll have him.
joels brother

Niles, MI

#22 Apr 29, 2009
too bad this didnt happen in Texas where they know how to separate violent killers from the rest of civilized society. . .for good.
tumblesva

United States

#23 Apr 30, 2009
joels brother wrote:
too bad this didnt happen in Texas where they know how to separate violent killers from the rest of civilized society...for good.
I am deeply sorry for your loss. Tumblesva
joels brother

Niles, MI

#24 May 1, 2009
tumblesva wrote:
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I am deeply sorry for your loss. Tumblesva
thank you so much...it has been difficult waiting for the trial...did you know Joel?

“Strength in God to go on! ”

Since: Nov 07

Montross

#25 May 2, 2009
joels brother wrote:
<quoted text> thank you so much...it has been difficult waiting for the trial...did you know Joel?
No sir, I did not know your brother but I do understand as we lost our son four years ago as he was shot and the perpetrators have not been brought to justice yet. It must be difficult waiting for the upcoming trial. Do you have a trial date yet? I am going to keep you all in my thoughts and prayers and pray that justice prevails! Tumblesva
joels brother

Midlothian, IL

#26 May 13, 2009
tumblesva wrote:
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No sir, I did not know your brother but I do understand as we lost our son four years ago as he was shot and the perpetrators have not been brought to justice yet. It must be difficult waiting for the upcoming trial. Do you have a trial date yet? I am going to keep you all in my thoughts and prayers and pray that justice prevails! Tumblesva
Thanks for your thoughtful response...and I am deeply sorry for your loss--I find it difficult to even contemplate the loss of a child at the hands of those animals that choose to murder. I hope time will eventually help bring closure to your nightmare, although as we know, nothing will ever be the same. Our trial date is May 28 and has been difficult to wait for...Killer Ray Sandifer will, I assume try to stay free as long as possible with whatever continuances the law will allow him--after all, he will die inside a cell a slow death, day by day, month by month, year after year as his friends and family slowly stop visiting as much...after all, would you want him alone with your children? Society separates killers from the rest of us for a reason. I have so much hatred for this coward who says he doesn't rememeber the shooting. Has he killed before--and conveniently "forgoten"? The thought of him being a police officer is chilling...I can only hope he ends up in general population bartering for cigarettes while down on his knees.
Tumblesva

United States

#27 May 13, 2009
No,nothing will ever be the same. Nothing.. I pray justice prevails... It must be awfully hard just waiting.... I pray mostly for you and your loss of your brother. Take care: Tumblesva
joels brother

Midlothian, IL

#28 May 31, 2009
Killer alcoholic-cop Ray had dodged justice again like a true coward with a continuance--question is, if he "can't rememeber" killing my brother when will he kill again? After all, his bloood alcohol level was .32, four times the legal limit---maybe someone in his own family this time? And if he was really trying to kill himself after he killed my brother, well, there's plenty of time now. By the way, do disgraced ex-cops get put in general population where he can bend over for the rest of his life--hear they love cops in prison--we'll see how brave he is without his gun and his bloody underwear stuffed down his throat. Tick-tock Ray, tick-tock. And rememeber, slit up the arm, not across the wrists. You did your family proud. See you at trial coward--and at every parole hearing you live to see.
joels brother

Midlothian, IL

#29 May 31, 2009
Bubba wrote:
Was one a retired DC policeman? Was alcohol involved? Sad, Sad situation. Prayers to everyone
Killer Rays blood alcohol level was .32 when he shot my brother then "tried" to kill himself. Now he's a loose canon out on bail, ready to kill again.
joels brother

Midlothian, IL

#30 May 31, 2009
imfamily wrote:
Bubba-yes he is a retired DC Policeman, do you know him?
Kay: You are making this horrible statement based on what you read in the news. The facts have not been made public but when they are, you will probably regret saying "it turns my stomach". You have assumed the worse without facts. Shame on you. There was no MALICE. See you Thursday?
Not only was there malice, there was forethought--funny how his aim was "off" when he tried to kill himself, but square on when he put a bullet into my brother ruining everyone's life around him. His "I don't remember" defense should be interesting in court since we have the murderer on tape admitting the killing. Tick tock, tick tock.
david

Mabank, TX

#31 Jul 2, 2009
joel was a great friend ,a great person ,we miss him ,he was in my office a day prior to his weekend departure,he came by just to tell me a joke ,that was the last time i have seen him ,i do not consider this a accident .justice must be served
joels brother

Midlothian, IL

#32 Jul 2, 2009
david wrote:
joel was a great friend ,a great person ,we miss him ,he was in my office a day prior to his weekend departure,he came by just to tell me a joke ,that was the last time i have seen him ,i do not consider this a accident .justice must be served
Thanks for the good thoughts...waiting through this continuance has been rough.. but in October, hopefully the killer will breathe his last free air. It's rough for me to know this killer is out on bond after killing my brother, while Joel is, well, left only in our memories.
dave tropper

Midlothian, IL

#33 Oct 3, 2009
October 8th we will find out how Virginia treats ex-cops with murderous guns. Reserve a special place in hell for Ray and a eventually an especially bumpy car ride from his cell to the cemetary--I hear ex-cops dont fare well in federal prison. One can only hope. Tick tock.
Niece in MD

Hampstead, MD

#34 Oct 9, 2009
5 years for murder? Never an apology to our family. Nothing. I will never forget-
dave tropper

Midlothian, IL

#35 Oct 11, 2009
Niece in MD wrote:
5 years for murder? Never an apology to our family. Nothing. I will never forget-
L-I'm trying to get your number to call you--thanks for the post.dave
brother

Midlothian, IL

#36 Oct 18, 2009
Wonder if any of Rays character witnesses will be taking time away from their Thanksgiving table to visit convicted killer Ray in prison... you know, that man of "tranquility and peace" as you all said. Or perhaps you should stay home to protect your families from the "prowler in the area" the defense attorneys lied about while trying to plant reasonable doubt. I know--it's their job--but I couldn't get enough of their stink off me after court regardless of how hot I made my shower. I know there will be one missing plate at our table. Just wait till I speak at final sentencing--the gasps should be loud enough to pierce that thin blue line. Five years for killing an unarmed sleeping friend--the Commonwealth has spoken. Exactly how many years would ex-cop Mr. Sandifer had gotten had he been a thirty year old African-American? And would he have been parading around with his friends in the hallways without handcuffs while arrested for 1st degree murder? Damn right I'm bitter.

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