IDEM fails to collect fines in full

IDEM fails to collect fines in full

There are 22 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Dec 10, 2007, titled IDEM fails to collect fines in full. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The state issued more than $2 million in environmental fines in northeast Indiana from 2004 through 2006, but not all the money was actually collected.

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A Republican

United States

#1 Dec 10, 2007
What in the h*** is the use of having laws or regulations if they are not going to be fully enforced? Mitch Daniels has been selective in enforcing existing laws on business, but not on ordinary citizens. The Daniels Adminstration has also increased all sorts of fees for ordinary Hoosiers over the past three years, but is apparently giving its buddies in business free rides.

Consider me a new member of the Ditch Mitch crew.
Easy Choice

Seymour, IN

#2 Dec 10, 2007
Why even bother with the fines since you are not collecting them. so what if they want to protect in other ways. Make them pay the full fine and protect in other ways as well.
Local landlord

United States

#3 Dec 10, 2007
Idem is reviled as a joke in southern Indiana. They hassle farmers and order them to not plant fields near their stream for fear of pollution; they terrify property owners with fines because of septic tanks, even though they won't fund sewer expansion. Ask people in Brown County what they think of Idem or the State Health Dept. A joke. A travesty. They hassle good people. And give a pass to foreign owned oil companies. As far as I'm concerned you can padlock the doors of Idem and the Indiana State Health Dept. They're both a waste of taxpayers' money and a great place to start rectifying a bloated and out of control state budget.
Usual

United States

#4 Dec 10, 2007
This is no surprise. This envoromental unit is a waste of money. To trade a 246 thousand dollar fine for 46 thousand and some mussell protection is ridiculous. How about eliminating the department and investing into something that actually has an impact of the enviroment.
B-T Resident

Greenwood, IN

#5 Dec 10, 2007
IDEM is another example of how we are governed by crime in this nation and state. It is a joke, and like all agencies with enforcement authority, they seem to look at all the citizens of this state as criminals, most of whom have yet to be caught.
popcorn64

Goldsmith, IN

#6 Dec 10, 2007
Certainly no perspective provided just a bunch of random facts. Might have been a good article if we knew how much was not collected relative to the whole amount due. Makes it sound like a real problem and maybe it is, this article didn't address this, so I'm guessing it is not a big factor - just something to write about.
Girl

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Dec 10, 2007
Ditch Mitch and his corporate cronies that are as corrupt as they come!
Marji

Dolton, IL

#8 Dec 10, 2007
And, it's killing us!

Biotoxins in the water and air, courtesy of Giant Hog Factories are maiming thousands...from MRSA to Blastomycosis fungi to Porcine Circo Virus and the chemical disenfectants used in an "attempt" to control viruses to the organophosphate Pesticides ...all pumped into the soil, water, and air on a daily basis (while IDEM turns a blind eye).

Man Mitch is providing more tax breaks and free money (from your treasury) to build more Confined Animal Feeding OPERATIONS!!!!

Look at IDEM's website for a list of the "Impaired Waterways in Indiana"...and the site only lists the E. coli....as IDEM does not even test for fungus, virus, bio-toxins, and carcinogenic chemical compounds!!!

Drink that Daniels Coolaide, and save every penny for the doctor bills...but don't count on being "healed" as the Docs are not even sure what the new biotoxins are!!!

Ever wonder why Man Mitch and GW Bush Inc are buying property in far away lands for retirement?
Think

Duncan, OK

#9 Dec 10, 2007
Would you rather have tax dollars paying fines or preventing future problems? Same with some companies, prevention accomplishes a lot more than penalties, that simply go to the State General Fund.

Think a little bit, past tomorrow.
bob

Duncan, OK

#10 Dec 10, 2007
SO, let me get this right, Warsaw had leaking underground storage tanks and only had to pay a small part of the fine. And did not fix the leaking storage tanks. SO the tanks are still leaking and the sewage is still polluting.

OK, WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE IDEM if there not going to make them fix the problem. It's like paying IDEM to look the other way.

IT'S CALLED A PAY OFF. MITCH.

One more department you can remove Mitch.
They can kiss my

West Manchester, OH

#11 Dec 10, 2007
I think it is just another way to get more taxes into the state. Think about it, IDUM fines some city. Well where does the city get the moeny, from the taxpayer. So the city raises the taxes to pay the fine so the state gets more ahh fees/tax.
Mitchs Ditch

United States

#12 Dec 10, 2007
Think wrote:
Would you rather have tax dollars paying fines or preventing future problems? Same with some companies, prevention accomplishes a lot more than penalties, that simply go to the State General Fund.
Think a little bit, past tomorrow.
Uh? "Tax dollars paying fines???"

Without real enforcement and punishment, what will lead to the prevention you mention? Do you really think that a wink and the acceptance of an unenforcable promise will lead to prevention?

If you were thinking when you wrote your post, you either have a history of eating lead-based paint chips or have been drinking discharge water from BP.
the man

Latonia, KY

#13 Dec 10, 2007
The article is not well written. What it is actually talking about are called SEPs (Supplemental Environmental Penaltys). The point of a SEP is to allow an offender to use some of the potential fine money to install or upgrade pollution control equipment, upgrade sewer systems etc etc instead of just simply cutting the state a check and having it go into the general fund. IDEM's goal is not to fine violators but to hopefully work with business and municipalities in order to fix a problem. While a fine may not be collected, it is an incentive to get a company to fix a problem once it's gotten to the point where IDEM gets involved. And yes, the Daniels adminisration has put in place leaders who are intent on weakening the current set of regulations. This is all part of the political system as each time an adminstration changes so does the mission and goals of IDEM. Right now our goals are to be as business friendly as possible and relaxing how we enforce our regulations is how this is being accomplished. Depending on your opinion this may either be a good or a bad thing. I'm not trying to stir anyone up, just stating the facts as they are. If Daniels loses we'll probably tighten up again, if he wins we'll continue along our current path.
Mitch Danger

United States

#14 Dec 10, 2007
Wake up folks!

You're drinking the water that is being polluted by these companies. Your food is grown in the fields that are tainted with the toxins that these companies discharge. Mitch Daniels is worried about his own personal legacy and wants to be scene as a pro-business governor. It's clear from IDEM's actions that he does NOT care about your health and the health of your children.

It's one thing to promote economic growth, it's quite another to weaken existing laws and regulations by not fully enforceing them. Daniels is risking our long term health for his short term political gain.
Mitch Danger

United States

#15 Dec 10, 2007
seen, not scene
FarOutMan

Palatine, IL

#16 Dec 10, 2007
Maybe the officials could not get the receipt book out of their pocket because their pocket was too greasy.
Will

Duncan, OK

#17 Dec 10, 2007
Y'all are quite short-sighted if you think this is a "mitch daniels" problem...

The rules and regulations that IDEM follows and enforces are, for the most part, IDENTICAL to the US EPA rules and regulations. That was the case before governor daniels, and will be the case AFTER governor daniels.

Especially with "environmental concerns", there is an extremely fine line between economic viability or growth and being environmentally sensitive. If you swing too far either direction, the other suffers greatly. This is a no-win situation. There are dozens of folks working for IDEM who have educational backgrounds in fields ranging from natural resources management up through PHD's in chemistry, biology, biochemistry, geology, hydrology, hydrogeology, etc etc. Chances are very high that these intellectually competent people actually DO know what they're doing. The system IS working. It's folks like you, who don't really know how stuff works, that like piss and moan about crap.

Educate yourselves and relieve us of your ignorant drivel.

There is a highly strenuous and rigorous permitting process for any industrial waste generator to go through before they can begin operation.

Indiana is cleaner now than it has been in decades, thanks, in part, to IDEM.
IDEM Works

Bellville, OH

#18 Dec 10, 2007
About three commentors seem to be cognizant of IDEM's enforcement process. It is all about incentive for an industry or municipality to buy, install and operate adequate pollution control systems. Most of the fine amount is the expense of the pollution control system. IDEM typically waives that part of the fine if the control system is bought, installed and maintained.
That makes perfect sense to me!
No government wants to fine a company out of business or a municipality into raising taxes. One large part of government is to promote commerce - making products, providing services, and jobs. Who wants to kill the gooose that lays the golden eggs?
Another part of government is protection of the health and well-being of its citizens. If government fails to enforce laws then they are subject to being sued by their citizens. Government knows this!
What IDEM practices is an example of our governmental system at work - i.e. checks and balances.
Also, as pointed out in an earlier comment IDEM staff are intelligent, well educated and experienced. They also know the limitations of the system and their individual responsiblities.
Eastside Resident

Indianapolis, IN

#19 Dec 10, 2007
IDEM may not be perfect but I'd rather work with them then work with nothing at all.
Local landlord wrote:
Idem is reviled as a joke in southern Indiana. They hassle farmers and order them to not plant fields near their stream for fear of pollution; they terrify property owners with fines because of septic tanks, even though they won't fund sewer expansion. Ask people in Brown County what they think of Idem or the State Health Dept. A joke. A travesty. They hassle good people. And give a pass to foreign owned oil companies. As far as I'm concerned you can padlock the doors of Idem and the Indiana State Health Dept. They're both a waste of taxpayers' money and a great place to start rectifying a bloated and out of control state budget.
Mitch is Mini Bush

Bloomington, IN

#20 Dec 10, 2007
iDUM...Brilliant

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