2 Charged In Murder Of Missouri Antiques Dealer

A year after an antiques dealer was shot near his western Missouri home, two men have been charged with his death and burglarizing his home. Full Story
Problem Solver

Barnesville, OH

#43 Nov 19, 2007
lovers lane wrote:
I cannot give details...not right now...all i can say is that court this past week was very good for lance's side...
it can and will be proven everything he had he has had for more than 5 years...
as for bryan i do not know all i know is he cant keep his story very straight!!!! he is a crack head...i know for a fact...as I did crack with him and so does lance .he has never done anything for me but give me chills when i am around him...the boy has problems...one time he is a holy roller...preaching to me...the next i hear he is trying to pawn off hotel stuff to get crack..and lance is trying to pawn off Joes stuff ton get crack,..in my opinion he felt guilty..then when what he realized he was admiting too he decided to drag down someone who didn't want to be his friend anymore due to his drug habbits...they had a big fall out over that around the time all of this happened...
"Yeah they did that is why all the stuff was at th crack head Lances and he wouldn't let crack head Bryon have any so that made the crack heads get caught"

Man would you listen to yourself?? you are saying that this Christian Lance was living with a crack head? SO not only is he a man that wont' marry a woman that has his child he is also harboring someone that is breaking the law,,,,man that looks good,,
Problem Solver

Barnesville, OH

#44 Nov 19, 2007
interested party wrote:
Wow, this is really something. Glad that court went well.
So, can Joe's daughter vouch for Lance and the fact that Joe gave him the guns and he has had them for 5+ years? She can certainly turn the tide for Lance and help prove his innocence.
I heard that guns were found in Bryan's bathtub - is that true? What about any swords?
Some of the guns that were taken from Joe's at the time of the murder were replicas, not genuine antiques. This is important for Lance's case. If the guns that Lance has are not these replicas, then that is good for Lance. Did Bryan have some of the guns from the wall at Joe's that were mostly replicas?
Did they really find coins from Joe's collection in a local pawn shop? Do you have any knowledge of this? Do you know what type of coins? I do know what coins that Joe mostly had, so I am wondering what coins were identified.
I am still wondering what your take is on Joe's daughter. I know this is very sensitive and you might not be able to be too forthcoming. I am only asking this because I and the family believe that these guys are not the masterminds behind this. I am not interested in putting you or your daughter in any danger or in harm's way.
Maybe you can call me if you want on a confidential basis. We are only interested in bringing the right person or persons to justice. Let me know. Be strong and hang in there.
what did you do fall off fence? which side are you on anyway, first you are saying the daughter had involvment and now your asking if she will defend the man that sits in jail??? and then you are asking "whats your take on the daughter" ah I get it your in cahoots with lovers lane arnt you? enough said, maybe they do have the wrong guys in jail,,, and yes you are the mastermind,, or i mean idiot!!
Problem Solver

Barnesville, OH

#45 Nov 19, 2007
lovers lane wrote:
Joe's daughter...my take on her i cannot say..i do not know her but from what i have heard it isn't good...i actually heard from other people that she was the first supsect...that says something in itself right???? I am trying hard to figure out who you are....i even asked him and he has no clue...and wants me to be very very careful being on the internet..you just never know huh????
I know from court that obvisouly all they must have is bryan's testimony..hell they didn't even have the death certif at court!!!! not seeming like the state is really prepared...they are just counting on him i guess...i had been telling the police all along i know he has nothing to do with it...how could he do that to the children...he is a lover..not a fighter...anyone who knows him, knows that...yes they found coins at a pawn shop...but not ones that lance had pawned...like i said..he had nothing to do with it so of course he didn't have the property to pawn...he wouldn't be struggling the way he was before to make a living for his family if he had valuable things he could have gotten rid of...
no the didn't find them in the bath tub but all of the stolen items were pulled out of a pond on the property of Bryan's mother's house...
Lance had been trying to help bryan get off of the crack..that is why he allowed him to move in...bryan didn't want to help himself and it all ended up ruining their friendship...he is a troubled soul..i pray that Jesus helps him and he stops turning to Satan...
I can say thanks to all of this Lance has realized that the Christian way is to be living...and how he wants to bring up his family....my daughter and i have always went to church...and now it is nice knowing that he has opened up his soul and let Jesus in...We have faith and we appreciate your concern...i would give you my private email but i dont want to put it on here...if you want to give me your's i will be glad to talk to you on a more private level...oh and as far as what they have found...what you can read online in papers is all i have read...i just know what is the truth that was written and was not..but they have not gave details...ya know....i have found out if anything from all of this..the cop's paper's and anyone will tell a lie to push a crime onto someone else...what a sad sad country we have became.
God Bless!
of course she was the first suspect, Family always is, but she is not in jail is she, THAT SAYS SOMETHING DOESNT IT?? and for gods sake they didn't even have a death certificate in court, I mean after all how do we know the man is dead??

AND OH MY LETS NOTIFY THE PRESS you state "yes they found coins at a pawn shop...but not ones that lance had pawned...like i said..he had nothing to do with it so of course he didn't have the property to pawn...he wouldn't be struggling the way he was before to make a living for his family if he had valuable things he could have gotten rid of..." oh why sure they are not the ones lance pawned they are at the other pawn shop.,YOU JUST STATED BEFORE THAT ALL THE STUFF THAT WAS TAKEN FROM HIS HOME WAS GIVEN TO HIM 5 YEARS AGO?? CORRECT?? NOW YOUR SAYING.......he had nothing to do with it so of course he didn't have the property to pawn...he wouldn't be struggling the way he was before to make a living for his family if he had valuable things he could have gotten rid of... MAN DID YOU LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG!! WHAT DID I TELL YOU BEFORE, WHEN THE DOG IS HUNGRY HERE KITY KITY KITY!!! oh YEAH, AND what they didn't get out of the pond they found under lances bed,,,,,,,AFTER the crack head kicked the other crack head out!! funny,,,,,
Problem Solver

Barnesville, OH

#46 Nov 19, 2007
Wondering wrote:
Interested Party, Methinks we have a wolf in sheep's clothing. Why is she expressing all his drama over the father she disrespectfully referred to as One-Eyed Joe while he was alive and being scammed and lied to by her? Also one detail about the murder troubles me greatly. Why was Joe outside when he was shot? Could it be that someone didn't want to have to clean blood from a house they were planning on living in soon? I believe there's more than meets the eye on this one.
I think cant fix stupid is right, i am not sure who Velma is but it sure sounds like "wondering" is a little upset that they did not end up with anything!!! Maybe if your nice to whomever did get it all you just might get a peice of bread, and possibly a cracker , isnt that what they serve in jail?? Just me taking a look, at what it looks like!!
Problem Solver

Barnesville, OH

#47 Nov 19, 2007
For all of you that are wondering? a friend of mine called me today and told me about this site, and when you are on the outside looking in at this, If I was on the jury, I would say, that Loverslane is definalty lost in love and will never see reality,, and that interested party is involved with lovers lane somehow, I am not sure just yet, but in any case would definaly be an accomplice and that Lance and bryon were the masterminds to loverslane and interested party, and for wondering, this person is one that wants everybody else to pay their way in this world . AND IS probably on disability or something like that taking our hard earned money, and tried to get rich off this mans death,,But it didnt work did it,,,,,,,
HAPPY THANKSGIVING,,,,
Uninformed

Lone Jack, MO

#48 Nov 20, 2007
Wondering wrote:
Interested Party, Methinks we have a wolf in sheep's clothing. Why is she expressing all his drama over the father she disrespectfully referred to as One-Eyed Joe while he was alive and being scammed and lied to by her? Also one detail about the murder troubles me greatly. Why was Joe outside when he was shot? Could it be that someone didn't want to have to clean blood from a house they were planning on living in soon? I believe there's more than meets the eye on this one.
METHINKS Velma, Dorothy, KAthy C., Chris, Linda, and Stevie, have finally lost therie friggin minds. Happy Thanksgiving you dumb **********
Uninformed

Lone Jack, MO

#49 Nov 20, 2007
And FYI this is not Joes daughter but I am very close to her. ME THINKS isnt Velma the sister who used to go to her brothers house every couple of months crying the blues about being broke, not having money to pay her gas bill, having no food and taking automobiles free. Isnt Velma the one drawing SociaL Security and running a catering business out of her home huh wonder who would like to know that. Seems that Velma was scamming...where was she during four heart surgeries all she did was take, take, take. How dare someone say his daughter didnt want to clean up the blood of her dead father that is the most disrespectful thing I have ever heard. How dare you be in cohorts with Lanes girlfriend she is the enemy how dare you disrespect Joe Walters like that.This could have all been different but Velma never tried to support Joes daughter through all this all she did was accuse and she was dead wrong. Dont ever refer to Joe Walters as anything besides a great man again. Im so glad im not a part of your immediate family. Cant wait to see you all at the trial I dont know how a person will be able to restrain themselves with you all there. I will be there for Joes daughther and we will make it through this as we have so far, those of us who realy care. You people werent even here for Joe or anyone else.
Uninformed

Lone Jack, MO

#50 Nov 20, 2007
Wondering wrote:
Interested Party, Methinks we have a wolf in sheep's clothing. Why is she expressing all his drama over the father she disrespectfully referred to as One-Eyed Joe while he was alive and being scammed and lied to by her? Also one detail about the murder troubles me greatly. Why was Joe outside when he was shot? Could it be that someone didn't want to have to clean blood from a house they were planning on living in soon? I believe there's more than meets the eye on this one.
I have never heard such bs in my life. If you would have been at the hearing you may be privledge to this information. Such a loser on all acounts. See youve lied and scammed so many yeras you and your daughters thats all you know how to do is rest on untruths
KNOWS THE TRUTH

Warsaw, MO

#51 Sep 23, 2008
Problem Solver wrote:
For all of you that are wondering? a friend of mine called me today and told me about this site, and when you are on the outside looking in at this, If I was on the jury, I would say, that Loverslane is definalty lost in love and will never see reality,, and that interested party is involved with lovers lane somehow, I am not sure just yet, but in any case would definaly be an accomplice and that Lance and bryon were the masterminds to loverslane and interested party, and for wondering, this person is one that wants everybody else to pay their way in this world . AND IS probably on disability or something like that taking our hard earned money, and tried to get rich off this mans death,,But it didnt work did it,,,,,,,
HAPPY THANKSGIVING,,,,
LOVER'S LANE IS HIS GIRLFRIEND CHASITY. AND AS FAR AS LANCE BEING A CHRISTIAN AND TAKING BRIAN IN HIS HOME FOR HELPING HIM WITH A CRACK PROBLEM, THAT IS ALL LIES!!!!! LANCE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN A HIGHER POWER!!! HIM AND BRIAN SMOKED CRACK AND METH AND YES EVEN DOPE TOGETHER! THE COINS WERE FOUND AT LANCE'S MOM'S BEST FRIENDS SHOP IN HOLDEN. HE WAS TAKING THEM UPTHERE TO SELL! LANCE IS A NO GOOD SLEAZE BALL!! WHO EVERYONE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT IS THOSE BOYS. WHAT HE DID TO HIS OWN BOYS IS UNFORGIVABLE!!!!! THOSE POOR BOYS LOVED THIER GRANDFATHER DEEPLY! HOW COULD YOU DO THAT TO YOUR OEN FLESH AND BLOOD?? GOD BLESS YOU BOYS!!!! MAY GOD BE WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!!
Wondering

United States

#52 Oct 29, 2008
When is court?
Mo wallace

Huntsville, MO

#53 Nov 25, 2008
i have been tryin to find out what the hell is going on i just cant find any info about lance or brian i knew them both very well. anyone out there recognize my name hit me back let me no something i cant really say who really did it
because what i know of both of them either one could have done it pushed in a corner but i dont think lance would have done it out of free will i mean just to do it for money purposes its not lance when i first heard i kinda of thought lance would do it but then i re-thought what i know about lance and it doesnt fit.. now i could be wrong but i dont think so now brian i think would for money gained but not by himself to off there is someone else i just dont think it is lance
that one chick

Warrensburg, MO

#54 Nov 30, 2008
i went to highschool with lance, and i was as shocked as anybody when i heard that he may be involved in this. it's been so many years that i can't honestly say if he could be involved in something like this or not. i know what one of his ex girlfriend's thinks, but that's all conjecture. if lance was involved in crack or meth, and i know in high school he was known for being involved in drugs, then anything is possible. his ex also says he had a drug prob at during the time they were together. i just have a hard time equating anything lance would do to murder. honestly tho, meth changes people. if he committed this heinous crime, with or without help, then i feel pity for him. my heart is also with the family of the victim.
a friend of the family

Washington, MO

#55 Dec 2, 2008
Mo wallace wrote:
i have been tryin to find out what the hell is going on i just cant find any info about lance or brian i knew them both very well. anyone out there recognize my name hit me back let me no something i cant really say who really did it
because what i know of both of them either one could have done it pushed in a corner but i dont think lance would have done it out of free will i mean just to do it for money purposes its not lance when i first heard i kinda of thought lance would do it but then i re-thought what i know about lance and it doesnt fit.. now i could be wrong but i dont think so now brian i think would for money gained but not by himself to off there is someone else i just dont think it is lance
Would he recognize your name? the one that is posted i will get a message to him of your concern and thoughts...it's all a mess but there is light in the end of the tunnel
The Daughter

Barnesville, OH

#56 Jan 21, 2009
Iam Mr. Walters Daughter I have held my tounge thru all of this now for those who knew my Father you will be glad to know Yesterday we were called to court and finally "HE CONFESSED" Lance Kochenderfer is "Guilty" of murder for those of you that are illerate! The murderer has ruined enough lives now all of you go away and keep your evil mouths shut!
Kathy K

United States

#57 Jan 21, 2009
Now we can all speak truthfully. We as a family knew Lance did this. Screw all of you who made our lives hell through this. My boys and I have to deal with what Lance did for the rest of our lives. Fuck his family and all of you who thought my mother had anything to do with this. Lance is a piece of shit and I hope I mean I know he will be a bitch in prison. He deserves nothing but torment just like the torment his sons my boys will have to endure each time they think of their father.Now my mother can rest at night knowing he will be in prison for the next 23 years.
praying

Chesterfield, MO

#58 Jan 21, 2009
May god watch over ALL of his children...i'm not so self centered to only care about two of them...life goes on and i pray for those who are suffering so bad that they have to be rude on here...but i understand where you are coming from...i will say no more because one day any one of his children could read this and see how hateful some people can be against others who have the inconvience of knowing him....there is alot of suffering going on here....alot more than you could ever imagine...I pray that Chasity can pick herself up and once again learn to live without him and see the pain he has caused her since the beginning....
Kathy K

United States

#59 Jan 22, 2009
Funny I could have been so much ruder she has in no way suffered like the rest of us. It was her choice to take him back after he would'nt even accept her child. Its best that the children know the truth you don't know me so dont judge me.EVER.Live without him wht a joke. Her daughter wont even remember that bastard.
Kathy K

United States

#60 Jan 22, 2009
And dont act like you know me or care about my children you have not been in our shoes.
praying

Chesterfield, MO

#61 Jan 23, 2009
She is still suffering..trying to explain to her daughter what happened..her daughter will still suffer...true we can all hope that she doesn't remember him....but as for now she IS suffering....for being only 5 years old and not understanding why she will never see him or her brothers again...and Chasity is suffering on trying to explain to her the reasons for BOTH and wishing she had NEVER let him back into her life...yes it was her choice...just like it was yours to have children with him...but we all make mistakes...no i dont know you....and i do not judge you for being upset...but there is no reason for you to judge her..that is in Gods hands...and she is in Gods hands...she is a member of a church and God will help her and her child thru this...she is not a bad person...just one who went down a wrong road...but no longer she has left that road over a year ago...and now she is living a good life and is in college and about to graduate with as an RN...she has rose above this...and i hope you all do too
Kathy K

United States

#62 Jan 23, 2009
Thats funny I never once judged her or said an unkind word in my post. If you ask her I bet she would let you know that when her left her when she found out she was pregnant way back when I reached out to her and let her know if she ever needed anything to call me but now I'm self centered, watch who you throw stones at. She must have been one of the ones who thought my mother did this bet your not judging her for that. You dont think I had a hard time talking to my boys who he used as pawns chikdren that are old enough to know what happened. Lance used Chastity too and for your information I was smart enough to divorce him when I found out how he really was 8 years ago. I NEVER took him back nor looked back as far as a relationship goes, I only let my children know him from a distance for them but I'm self centered. So again you are judging me and I never mentioned her name but now that you say it we all think it was pretty shitty that she helped Lance harbor all of my grandfathers belongings. You dont know me you only know what you have been told and that can be one sided. I have no sympathy for Lance nor for any one who looked past his guilt and pointed at my family.

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