Confess? Armstrong may not have much to gain

Jan 6, 2013 Full story: Times Observer 43

Lance Armstrong may be considering a change in course, dropping his years of denials and admitting that he used performance-enhancing drugs - though whether such a move would help him is uncertain.

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My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#22 Jan 16, 2013
Yes! Happy New Year to everyone here.

You're entirely welcome Gus as what I stated about you was only the truth.

As I remember most of us provided Floyd Landis the same treatment since many of us started here back in 2006 and so, we had to provide Lance Armstrong the same treatment.

It's one thing to have suspecions, yet it's an entirely different situation if one has proof positive and there none of us really had the proof positive.

The same concerns and actual indicaters that most people had with Lance Armstrong is actually the same situation that's been taking place in relation to both Team GB and Team Sky.

During the London Summer Olympics I was able to read a lot of various articles that were provided by both the various cycling web sites and their cycling forums where many qualified and experienced cyclists shared their opinions with some very qualified arguments.

Just as we have seen where some professional riders skip under the drug testing radars and later get founbd out the same "Might" happen with Team Sky at a later date.

If anyone has read anything that I have written about that situation, you'll know that I haven't pointed a finger here as I have no eveidence
to state asnything different.

As for Team Sky training any harder then any other cycling team, I believe that we all have already heard that one all too many times from a very particular individual from Austin, Texas.

Cheers

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#24 Jan 17, 2013
Voice of Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
You have got to be the most stupid Limey on the board. Do you think that taking PEDs automatically gives you big muscles? What I am saying is that your little sport of riding a bike is known as the most drug infested sport in the world. Either the chumps that run it can not or will not come up with the proper test to clean it up. The culture of cycling is drugs and cheating, Lance just did it best for seven years. Either lift the drug band and allow people to do what they will to win OR get some way to control it. This reminds me of Olympic long distance running in the late 70s and early 80s when the runner would train like hell in high altitude and have blood drawn from his body and enriched and before the olympics they would place this enriched blood back into the runner before the games.
Sounds like you speak from experience.

I have one question for you; in how many cycling races have you competed? How many century rides have you done?

Ok, so that was two questions.

Long distance running does not shake a stick at cycling. Cycling is, quite plausibly, the most demanding sport in the world.

And so you know, there are more ways than one to "dope."
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#25 Jan 17, 2013
Actually I really find it very hard to believe that you're even a student of human nature as you already have stated through your own words that you will not accept or believe anything that any of us here would provide you with in answers.

You strike me more as being a person who just sits at their computer and writing in the variuous forums and discussion groups just for filling up their hum drum day.

If you really are interested in learning about Lance Armstrong along with anyother pro cyclist and or the illegal doping in the sport of cycling, all you really would have to do is just surf through all the various threads right here within the Floyd Landis forum.

Of course you can also do the same in all the various cycling forums at the various cycling web sights as well.

Say what you want to about cycling, you really couldn't affect anyone here who is an actual cyclist like that of CD, Gus, Athos, myself or any others here.

We've been on the bike and we all come with various cycling backgrounds from just riding for fun, to a little bit of racing, to racing a lot and others who ride "Centuries" cycling events.

So, have fun surfing the web sites and forums as you will find all your answers there.

Cheers
Voice of Reality

Petersburg, VA

#26 Jan 17, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
Actually I really find it very hard to believe that you're even a student of human nature as you already have stated through your own words that you will not accept or believe anything that any of us here would provide you with in answers.
You strike me more as being a person who just sits at their computer and writing in the variuous forums and discussion groups just for filling up their hum drum day.
If you really are interested in learning about Lance Armstrong along with anyother pro cyclist and or the illegal doping in the sport of cycling, all you really would have to do is just surf through all the various threads right here within the Floyd Landis forum.
Of course you can also do the same in all the various cycling forums at the various cycling web sights as well.
Say what you want to about cycling, you really couldn't affect anyone here who is an actual cyclist like that of CD, Gus, Athos, myself or any others here.
We've been on the bike and we all come with various cycling backgrounds from just riding for fun, to a little bit of racing, to racing a lot and others who ride "Centuries" cycling events.
So, have fun surfing the web sites and forums as you will find all your answers there.
Cheers
You just got to love people who attack the messenger, rather than refute the truth. Cycling, I have dabbled in cycling, never a Century, but a half Century and I have cycled route five when we camped on a Saturday night and rode back home on Sunday making the total trip about 80 miles. I had a very good friend who opened one of the very first TREK shops in the area in a portion of his hardeware store. For about five years I got into the hobby of restoring Religh 3spd bikes, complete with being rechromed, the rims trued or relaced or replacing the rims on the hub. In the the mid 80s we toured the Eastern US with my son and four other kids riding on a BMX team that was sponsored by Bandito which was a California company closely associated with CW (Or Cycles West racing). One of the things I learned when I was dealing with cyclist, when I was buying the well worn road bikes to part them out on Ebay to pay for the restoration or the Raleighs is that most road cyclist are elitest and more concerned with the name of the product and present of past racer who once rode the junk than they are about actual quality. I have seen many of these elitest purchase a 15 year old crappy loose ball campy hub than purchase a far better quality shamano hub and wheel for about half of the price and much of this is so they can go to their local Starbucks get together and talk about how much they paid for "The set" on their bike and although you can hear the grunge when the wheel turns it is still the quality "Old" Campy stuff. By the way, if you ever come to Va. I can show you the original Old Skool BMX bikes I have hanging from the cealing. My son's original PK mini ripper, named for Perry Kramer, my original Flovial Flyer and a host of chrome Bandito Bikes. I sold all of the road bikes and Raleighs years ago.
You talk about somebody staying in the internet and not getting exercise, however, you talk about all of the cycling forums that you haunt. Perhaps you protest too much on the fourm thing.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#27 Jan 17, 2013
Voice of Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
You just got to love people who attack the messenger, rather than refute the truth. Cycling, I have dabbled in cycling, never a Century, but a half Century and I have cycled route five when we camped on a Saturday night and rode back home on Sunday making the total trip about 80 miles. I had a very good friend who opened one of the very first TREK shops in the area in a portion of his hardeware store. For about five years I got into the hobby of restoring Religh 3spd bikes, complete with being rechromed, the rims trued or relaced or replacing the rims on the hub. In the the mid 80s we toured the Eastern US with my son and four other kids riding on a BMX team that was sponsored by Bandito which was a California company closely associated with CW (Or Cycles West racing). One of the things I learned when I was dealing with cyclist, when I was buying the well worn road bikes to part them out on Ebay to pay for the restoration or the Raleighs is that most road cyclist are elitest and more concerned with the name of the product and present of past racer who once rode the junk than they are about actual quality. I have seen many of these elitest purchase a 15 year old crappy loose ball campy hub than purchase a far better quality shamano hub and wheel for about half of the price and much of this is so they can go to their local Starbucks get together and talk about how much they paid for "The set" on their bike and although you can hear the grunge when the wheel turns it is still the quality "Old" Campy stuff. By the way, if you ever come to Va. I can show you the original Old Skool BMX bikes I have hanging from the cealing. My son's original PK mini ripper, named for Perry Kramer, my original Flovial Flyer and a host of chrome Bandito Bikes. I sold all of the road bikes and Raleighs years ago.
You talk about somebody staying in the internet and not getting exercise, however, you talk about all of the cycling forums that you haunt. Perhaps you protest too much on the fourm thing.
Sounds like you had a real fun experience in rebuilding those bikes along with what you have done on the bicycle.

I wasn't attacking you as I was just sharing what I observed and evaluated here.

We have a BMX course here in El Paso and it's really fun watching the various age groups competeing. The way some of them have tumbled and fallen on their ceter bars, one can only be glad that they're little kids rather then full grown adults as the family jewels are quite senistive.

In reference to the various cycling web sites and cycling forums, that was a process dating from 2006 to present. I have probelms with sleep at various times and, so when that happens, I do research on the computer. I also read a lot along with researching for two possible books as well.

In Riverton, Wyoming there is a general store that has many of the old type Schwinns. It's like going backwrds in time.

So, from your answer, you put "Va". Must be Virginia. Guess you're too shy in saying where you hail from and where you live! I wasn't asking for an address or telephone number.

Cheers
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#28 Jan 17, 2013
Correction!

Fort Lee, Virginia.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#29 Jan 17, 2013
ll, I got to watch the Opera Winfrey and Lance Armstrong interview.

Intreresting at best as I feel tht he held a lot back and he did state that he wasn't going to out anyone.

Went over to the "Daily Peleton" and "Cyclingnews" forums to see what other cyclists had to say and as per usual they didn't say anything nice. But, one of them at ther Daily Peleton stated that Cooper has Betsy Andreau over on CNN.

When we turned over to CNN, there were three other men along with Betsy Andreau and the show was already gone past 40 minutes. So, we're going to tape it and watch later.

Also going to watch the other half of the OW/LA interview tommorrow evening.

As much as some people on the two forums mentioned above had some expected comments from LA, seems that they were completely off that track as he did't come anywhere near to their expectations!

Cheers
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#30 Jan 17, 2013
Strange or Interesting?

1. LA totaly denied the positive drug test at the Tour de Swiss.

2. LA totally denied bribing the UCI.

3. LA totally denied that the Italian doctor ever talked with him qabout doping and doping programs.
Regis le cylist

Lunel, France

#31 Jan 21, 2013
Perhaps Lance is not stupid!

The game is up!

Make what you can($)by admitting all on the OWS.

Its a shame, but sport will always come second to finacial greed/ego.

Many true sportsmen have always known this. So what is new?????
Voice of Reality

Petersburg, VA

#32 Jan 21, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
Strange or Interesting?
1. LA totaly denied the positive drug test at the Tour de Swiss.
2. LA totally denied bribing the UCI.
3. LA totally denied that the Italian doctor ever talked with him qabout doping and doping programs.
This is my point, Lance Armstrong is not more guilty than the sport of international cycling and it's governing body. With all of the talk that followed Lance Armstrong if they had EVER wished to catch him the UCI had that ability, I believe that they rode Lance just as hard as he rode his bike to promote the sport in more North American Countries and for sponsors and other fees that the UCI felt was more important than cleaning up the sport. I still say if they could gather all of that information on Lance after he stated he would no longer compete they could have done it while he was competiting. I wonder if the UCI has never heard of a polygraph?
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#33 Jan 22, 2013
Regis le cylist wrote:
Perhaps Lance is not stupid!
The game is up!
Make what you can($)by admitting all on the OWS.
Its a shame, but sport will always come second to finacial greed/ego.
Many true sportsmen have always known this. So what is new?????
Good point!
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#34 Jan 22, 2013
Voice of Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
This is my point, Lance Armstrong is not more guilty than the sport of international cycling and it's governing body. With all of the talk that followed Lance Armstrong if they had EVER wished to catch him the UCI had that ability, I believe that they rode Lance just as hard as he rode his bike to promote the sport in more North American Countries and for sponsors and other fees that the UCI felt was more important than cleaning up the sport. I still say if they could gather all of that information on Lance after he stated he would no longer compete they could have done it while he was competiting. I wonder if the UCI has never heard of a polygraph?
Well the UCI certaintly had the opportunity to catch him after that drug poitive he had at the Tour of Switzerland.

Certainly makes me wonder just what the UCI is supposed to be doing if they're not going to do anything when they find a rider doping.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#35 Jan 23, 2013
And just as I predicted, no one seems to be interested in talking here anymore now that Lance Armstrong provided his attempt at admitting to his own doping.

Will be interesting to see who's still here at the beginning of February.

Cheers

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#36 Jan 24, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
And just as I predicted, no one seems to be interested in talking here anymore now that Lance Armstrong provided his attempt at admitting to his own doping.
Will be interesting to see who's still here at the beginning of February.
Cheers
Keep the thread warm MOEPT.

How are the tumbleweeds?
Regis le Cycliste

Lunel, France

#37 Jan 24, 2013
Why not except what all cyclistes suspected many years ago? Lance/Landis/Hamilton/Ect. Won/competed in the TDF, in the AMERICAN way! Cheating is the NORM. Its just a national American trait.
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#38 Jan 24, 2013
Regis le Cycliste wrote:
Why not except what all cyclistes suspected many years ago? Lance/Landis/Hamilton/Ect. Won/competed in the TDF, in the AMERICAN way! Cheating is the NORM. Its just a national American trait.
...and the Euros don't CHEAT?...give me a break! ha ha ha ha!

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#39 Jan 25, 2013
Gus wrote:
<quoted text>
...and the Euros don't CHEAT?...give me a break! ha ha ha ha!
The Euros CHEAT!!!!!? it is not the British way, well, exceping Simpson and Millar, oh and some of the french, Italian..........
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#40 Jan 25, 2013
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>The Euros CHEAT!!!!!? it is not the British way, well, exceping Simpson and Millar, oh and some of the french, Italian..........
Well Chris, why don't you go tip-toe through the other cycling forums and see what many other cyclists have been saying about Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky!

The same process that has been taken place with Floyd Landis and Lance Armstrong has been taken with your British Team as well. And in many cases it's the very same experienced cyclists who are criticizing your team. They're comparing all the technical aspects (data) of Bradley and company just as they did with Lance and company and they're providing solid information just as they did with Floyd and Lance.

So, here we go again with having doubts about cycling ever getting cleaned up and wether or not Team GB along with Team Sky are really clean or just another bunch of dopers.

Gus and I will continue with a few others in providing them the same support as we both believe that without real evidence (proof) we give the benefit of the doubt to the cyclist(s).

But, since we really know just how Lance and Company was able to fool all the doping tests as they had a pretty impressive doping program going on within their cycling team, never say never about anyother team. And lets not forget the huge amount of money their team gets today from all of you Brits as well.

Key person in all of that is Brailswood. And Brailswood is a dictator of personalities. He's also a personality to keeps things very secrete and behind doors, while providing false covers for other Sky Team staff members.

He's very zealous and in that by itself is not always a bad thing. But, he is also a similar personality to that of Lance Armstrong and that isn't always so good.

WEe'll just have to wait and see.

Cheers
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#41 Jan 25, 2013
By the way Chris, Team Sky had invited a British journalist to ride with their team a year ago, while attending the various cycling events there in Europe.

At the last minute Bradley Wiggings put a stop to that venture. Brailswood went with what Bradley wanted. If we're wanting to see transparency in cycling, then what were Bradley and Brailswood so afraid of?

Behavior(s) often show more information about people then their words do!

Cheers

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#42 Jan 28, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Chris, why don't you go tip-toe through the other cycling forums and see what many other cyclists have been saying about Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky!
The same process that has been taken place with Floyd Landis and Lance Armstrong has been taken with your British Team as well. And in many cases it's the very same experienced cyclists who are criticizing your team. They're comparing all the technical aspects (data) of Bradley and company just as they did with Lance and company and they're providing solid information just as they did with Floyd and Lance.
So, here we go again with having doubts about cycling ever getting cleaned up and wether or not Team GB along with Team Sky are really clean or just another bunch of dopers.
Gus and I will continue with a few others in providing them the same support as we both believe that without real evidence (proof) we give the benefit of the doubt to the cyclist(s).
But, since we really know just how Lance and Company was able to fool all the doping tests as they had a pretty impressive doping program going on within their cycling team, never say never about anyother team. And lets not forget the huge amount of money their team gets today from all of you Brits as well.
Key person in all of that is Brailswood. And Brailswood is a dictator of personalities. He's also a personality to keeps things very secrete and behind doors, while providing false covers for other Sky Team staff members.
He's very zealous and in that by itself is not always a bad thing. But, he is also a similar personality to that of Lance Armstrong and that isn't always so good.
WEe'll just have to wait and see.
Cheers
I said that I would not bother replying to your ranting anymore, but as you are still getting things wrong I guess I will have to put you just a little right first get the name right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Brailsford
Got it? BRAILSFORD as for other forums and rumours, it would help it you gave a clue where the forums are, that would save us a lot of valuable time
OK I will have a little bet with you. I have been proved right with your Lance and Floyd cheaters. Would you care to have a wager?

I will bet you that Wiggins is CLEAN, if he is not, I will come over and treat you to a slap up meal, or pay for you to come over here and have the bill (cheque on me)
If he is guilty you can buy me a beer OK?
BTW well done your spelling is very good indeed

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