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United States

#3442 Nov 23, 2012
Ya know wrote:
You cyber bullies are truly pathetic. Can't accept the truth so you bully everyone else. Maybe you should all try something different for a change and GROW THE FU@%$@ UP!
Again this is about perspective.

I guess you think I am "bullying" you with facts?!?

You are in love with a *brand* of lawyer/politician/liar

Your *brand* is Democrat

That *brand* claims to help the poor, minorities, downtrodden, underprivilaged AND somehow,
the middle class who pays to support the first 4 groups.

In the 1950's
Republicans were the pro-minority party,
and Democrats were openly anti-minority.

Look it up.

They swapped playbooks one year and its been that way since.

You can like Coke if you want,
but you are a fool if you HATE Pepsi.

They are brands,
and you fell for their Billion Dollar marketing program.
Very true

Medford, MA

#3443 Nov 23, 2012
fiscal cliff wrote:
<quoted text>
Never let a good catastrophe go to waste.
Neither side wants to avoid the cliff
Dems will say Repubs caused it,
Repubs will say it was the Dems
They both will enjoy the cuts they never could have passed otherwise,
while raising the taxes they don't want to be blamed for raising.
It's the perfect "Not My Fault" moment.
Perfect combination of EVERYTHING they want,
and the ability to blame the other side/further divide our country.
Look for our president to step in at the last minute to rescue a few of his favorite benefactors,
& claim success as we devastate our defence budget.
No matter what happens now with the fiscal cliff, the other side will be blamed. I read an article recently that showed Obama advisors telling him to let the tax cuts expire for everyone and then it can be used later to blame the republicans in the next election cycle. See Paul krugman's "let's not make a deal"
Florida Retiree

Riverview, FL

#3444 Nov 23, 2012
fiscal cliff wrote:
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What is tonights lottery numbers going to be FR?
Because you obviously know how horrible things would have been if an actual reformer was elected,
instead of the greatest spender in THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF CIVILIZATION!
You also would need psychic powers to know that kicking the can down the road isn't going to end in an even greater total collapse than if we let the economy fail as it should have.
Thirdly,
which administration failed us?
The one with a solitary Republican President overseeing a Democraticly controlled Congress and a Democraticly controlled Senate?
Yeah, thats the one I thought you meant.
So, you are saying that there was a Democratic Senate and Congress for the EIGHT YEARS Bush was president ??

Go back and read History!
Florida Retiree

Riverview, FL

#3445 Nov 23, 2012
alternate view for you wrote:
<quoted text>
Again this is about perspective.
I guess you think I am "bullying" you with facts?!?
You are in love with a *brand* of lawyer/politician/liar
Your *brand* is Democrat
That *brand* claims to help the poor, minorities, downtrodden, underprivilaged AND somehow,
the middle class who pays to support the first 4 groups.
In the 1950's
Republicans were the pro-minority party,
and Democrats were openly anti-minority.
Look it up.
They swapped playbooks one year and its been that way since.
You can like Coke if you want,
but you are a fool if you HATE Pepsi.
They are brands,
and you fell for their Billion Dollar marketing program.
Have you ever given thought to seeing a physiatrist???
Get over it

Lowell, MA

#3446 Nov 23, 2012
The election is over. All you idiot Republicans lost.
Now crew come back in 4 years,
And remember to vote for Joe Biden.
Stop you crying, Get over it . And stop your crying.

You all sound like a bunch of 5 year olds.
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United States

#3447 Nov 23, 2012
Florida Retiree wrote:
<quoted text>So, you are saying that there was a Democratic Senate and Congress for the EIGHT YEARS Bush was president ??
Go back and read History!
I am saying we had a solitary Republican President,
and a Democratically controlled Senate and a Democratically controlled House of Representatives for the final two,
and WORST TWO years of Bush II's presidency.

Or didn't you notice the Democratic takeover during the 2006 elections?

Or is it just that you are exempting the Dems from any blame for the 2008 collapse?

Why is it when people blame Obama for stuff,
we hear "he's only one man"
But Bush carries the full weight of everything that happened on HIS watch?

Blame them ALL if you like,
but a bias, revisionist, selective retelling of history lessons does not make for an intelligent argument.
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United States

#3448 Nov 23, 2012
Florida Retiree wrote:
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Have you ever given thought to seeing a physiatrist???
No,
do you think the drugs they put you on would help me swallow the same lies you do?

No thanks.

Now why don't you try for another feeble attempt at shameing me,
instead of using actual facts to back up your slanted point of view?

Lame.
Florida Retiree

Riverview, FL

#3449 Nov 23, 2012
Get over it wrote:
The election is over. All you idiot Republicans lost.
Now crew come back in 4 years,
And remember to vote for Joe Biden.
Stop you crying, Get over it . And stop your crying.
You all sound like a bunch of 5 year olds.
I totally agree with you! It's about time someone with brains spoke up in this forum, there should be more good people like you speaking up as well. Hope you had a good Holiday!
Florida Retiree

Riverview, FL

#3450 Nov 23, 2012
alternate view for you wrote:
<quoted text>
I am saying we had a solitary Republican President,
and a Democratically controlled Senate and a Democratically controlled House of Representatives for the final two,
and WORST TWO years of Bush II's presidency.
Or didn't you notice the Democratic takeover during the 2006 elections?
Or is it just that you are exempting the Dems from any blame for the 2008 collapse?
Why is it when people blame Obama for stuff,
we hear "he's only one man"
But Bush carries the full weight of everything that happened on HIS watch?
Blame them ALL if you like,
but a bias, revisionist, selective retelling of history lessons does not make for an intelligent argument.
The damage was done in the prior six years, you can't bring the country down to it's knees in two years, what is wrong with your thinking?? You just do not know what you are posting about, plain and simple!
Florida Retiree

Riverview, FL

#3451 Nov 23, 2012
alternate view for you wrote:
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No,
do you think the drugs they put you on would help me swallow the same lies you do?
No thanks.
Now why don't you try for another feeble attempt at shameing me,
instead of using actual facts to back up your slanted point of view?
Lame.


I don't need to shame you, you are doing a great job all on your own. You voted for Sarah, right?
Wonfering1

United States

#3452 Nov 23, 2012
FR hurry up and die will you
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Boston, MA

#3453 Nov 23, 2012
Florida Retiree wrote:
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I don't need to shame you, you are doing a great job all on your own. You voted for Sarah, right?
I did not vote for McCain/Palin,
I abstained from that election.

Did not matter much anyway,
O was going to win Mass with, or without my vote.

Now how about an honest answer back,
do you even realise your words give one party a pass,
and blame all this country's MANY ills on the other?

As long as you are not holding BOTH parties accountable,
you are being pushed around the board like a pawn.

Think about what others are questioning about the party you endorse.

Does even one negative implication sound plausible to you?

Do you investigate any of the accusations on your own?

No one can be fooled 100% of the time unless they want to be.
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Boston, MA

#3454 Nov 23, 2012
Florida Retiree wrote:
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The damage was done in the prior six years, you can't bring the country down to it's knees in two years, what is wrong with your thinking?? You just do not know what you are posting about, plain and simple!
If you posted Bush was a great leader,
I would agree he brought this country together after 9/11
and that even though his party had full Senate & House control for 6 years,
he did not further his party's agenda over that of America
(Abortion, Baker Davis, birth control, and all the other Dem talking points were still intact after 6 years)

Then I would tell you Iraq was a mistake,
as was the Patriot act.
I would say his biggest mistake was how fiscally liberal he was.
In the last 2 years of his presidency,
the federal government spent more money than it had ever before.

Until Obama got elected, GWB was the worst president when it comes deficit spending.
Heck,
even Obamas own party hasn't been able to pass ONE SINGLE BUDGET IN 4 YEARS!

But you didn't applaud GWB,
you threw the weight of the world on him

So in 6 years Bush crashed the economy?
Well the last 6 have had a MAJORITY of Dems in control

Where do we lay the blame there FR?

I bet you loved the Clinton years.
Did you notice who was running the House & Senate then?

Do you give ANY credit to them?
Florida Retiree

Riverview, FL

#3455 Nov 23, 2012
alternate view for you wrote:
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I did not vote for McCain/Palin,
I abstained from that election.
Did not matter much anyway,
O was going to win Mass with, or without my vote.
Now how about an honest answer back,
do you even realise your words give one party a pass,
and blame all this country's MANY ills on the other?
As long as you are not holding BOTH parties accountable,
you are being pushed around the board like a pawn.
Think about what others are questioning about the party you endorse.
Does even one negative implication sound plausible to you?
Do you investigate any of the accusations on your own?
No one can be fooled 100% of the time unless they want to be.
I do hold both parties, the Senate and Congress responsible. However, all I see is the bashing of President Obama and the small minded uninformed adolescents posting about my wife and my death which are all meaningless foolish posts.
A lot of these people cannot understand the majority of Americans re-elected the president because there was just not a viable alternative to lead America, they have spoken at the voting booth, so now it’s time to stop complaining, pointing fingers, boo-hooing about past events and support the President.
If you have not voted in the past or recently then you have nothing to complain about because you did not exercise your civic obligation.
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Boston, MA

#3456 Nov 23, 2012
Florida Retiree wrote:
<quoted text>I do hold both parties, the Senate and Congress responsible. However, all I see is the bashing of President Obama and the small minded uninformed adolescents posting about my wife and my death which are all meaningless foolish posts.
A lot of these people cannot understand the majority of Americans re-elected the president because there was just not a viable alternative to lead America, they have spoken at the voting booth, so now it’s time to stop complaining, pointing fingers, boo-hooing about past events and support the President.
If you have not voted in the past or recently then you have nothing to complain about because you did not exercise your civic obligation.
Well,
since I haven't attacked you or your wife,
that part doesn't apply to me.
I did vote in this election, so that criticism doesn't apply to me either.

As far as criticizing the actions of a president,
you don't seem to have a problem criticizing the last one,
now suddenly this one is exempt,
because you say so.

Sorry,
he was elected by the American people,
but you weren't.

I don't see this presidential choice turning out well for America in the end.
Because I love this country,
I hope I'm wrong.
Florida Retiree

Riverview, FL

#3457 Nov 23, 2012
alternate view for you wrote:
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“As far as criticizing the actions of a president,
you don't seem to have a problem criticizing the last one,
now suddenly this one is exempt,
because you say so.”

I never said that I approve of everything our president has done or is currently doing, his evaluation and his Administrations will come at the end of his elected term just like the last president.

Why is it that you assume so much about me and most of it is not accurate and only to support your point of view. Do some research and report back as to is rated the second worse president, then we’ll have a further discussion on the subject.
alternate view for you

Boston, MA

#3458 Nov 23, 2012
Florida Retiree wrote:
<quoted text>
“As far as criticizing the actions of a president,
you don't seem to have a problem criticizing the last one,
now suddenly this one is exempt,
because you say so.”
I never said that I approve of everything our president has done or is currently doing, his evaluation and his Administrations will come at the end of his elected term just like the last president.
Why is it that you assume so much about me and most of it is not accurate and only to support your point of view. Do some research and report back as to is rated the second worse president, then we’ll have a further discussion on the subject.
What research do you want me to do?
Who is the second worst president?
In whose eyes?

Lincoln was absolutely hated in his day,
but history paints him a hero.

In 100 years who knows what they will think of GWB and BHO.

I know what I think of both at the moment,
and I've paid attention to what each has done during their administrations.

I would be happy to tell you where I think both went wrong.

As far as you go,
all my opinions about you are directly from your own words here.

If you don't like my opinion,
maybe you should choose your words more carefully next time.
Florida Retiree

Riverview, FL

#3459 Nov 23, 2012
alternate view for you wrote:
<quoted text>
What research do you want me to do?
Who is the second worst president?
In whose eyes?
Lincoln was absolutely hated in his day,
but history paints him a hero.
In 100 years who knows what they will think of GWB and BHO.
I know what I think of both at the moment,
and I've paid attention to what each has done during their administrations.
I would be happy to tell you where I think both went wrong.
As far as you go,
all my opinions about you are directly from your own words here.
If you don't like my opinion,
maybe you should choose your words more carefully next time.
Assessment by historiansIn 2006, 744 professional historians surveyed by Siena College regarded Bush's presidency as follows: Great: 2%; Near Great: 5%; Average: 11%; Below Average: 24%; Failure: 58%.[362] Thomas Kelly, professor emeritus of American studies at Siena College, said that "In this case, current public opinion polls actually seem to cut the President more slack than the experts do."[362] Similar outcomes were retrieved by two informal surveys done by the History News Network in 2004[363] and 2008.[364]

Bush was dismissive of the negative evaluations by historians, saying, "to assume that historians can figure out the effect of the Bush administration before the Bush administration has ended is just ... in my mind ... not an accurate reflection upon how history works,"[355] and "I read three histories of George Washington last year. The first President of the United States is still being analyzed by historians, which oughtta (sic) say to this president and future president:'Do what you think is right and eventually historians will figure out whether it made sense or not.'"[365]

A 2010 Siena College poll of 238 Presidential scholars found that Bush was ranked 39th out of 43, with poor ratings in handling of the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence.[366]
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Boston, MA

#3460 Nov 23, 2012
Florida Retiree wrote:
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Assessment by historiansIn 2006, 744 professional historians surveyed by Siena College regarded Bush's presidency as follows: Great: 2%; Near Great: 5%; Average: 11%; Below Average: 24%; Failure: 58%.[362] Thomas Kelly, professor emeritus of American studies at Siena College, said that "In this case, current public opinion polls actually seem to cut the President more slack than the experts do."[362] Similar outcomes were retrieved by two informal surveys done by the History News Network in 2004[363] and 2008.[364]
Bush was dismissive of the negative evaluations by historians, saying, "to assume that historians can figure out the effect of the Bush administration before the Bush administration has ended is just ... in my mind ... not an accurate reflection upon how history works,"[355] and "I read three histories of George Washington last year. The first President of the United States is still being analyzed by historians, which oughtta (sic) say to this president and future president:'Do what you think is right and eventually historians will figure out whether it made sense or not.'"[365]
A 2010 Siena College poll of 238 Presidential scholars found that Bush was ranked 39th out of 43, with poor ratings in handling of the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence.[366]
Wow FR,
that sounds really incriminating.

I guess if the George Bush School for the Monetarily Gifted did a study that said Bill Clinton was the worst president of all time,
you would believe that, despite your own opinions, and personal experiences?

If you look for surveys to form your opinion,
I'm sure you can find ones that say whatever you would like them to say.

Again,
I would be happy tell you what I personally think of each president, and the effects I have felt in my life.
My actual opinion is probably nothing like you are assuming.

An academic survey of "professional historians" doesn't hold much water for me.

What about the 7% that thought Bush was great, or near great.
How is there opinion so far from those of the other "experts"?

Were they historians of paint chip recipes of the middle ages?

Silly survey is silly.

So....

Florida Retiree,
do you credit the Republican Congress & Senate under Clinton for our country's success at that time, or not?
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Boston, MA

#3461 Nov 23, 2012
LOL!!!

Siena College:
A coeducational, independent, liberal arts college with a Franciscan and Catholic tradition founded in 1937.

That
Is
A
Riot!

Did you quote a College with a rich history of Constitutional Scholars?
Presidential History?

Newp!

You researched and quoted a study deftly compiled by LIBERAL ARTS STUDENTS!!

10 points for making me laugh out loud Retiree!

Since the studies were done way back in 2006 & 2010,
I wonder if we can visit McDonalds these students are all currently working at,
so I can ask if they feel their study is still as relevant, and universally important as when they first published it!

My fictitious "George Bush School for the Monetarily Gifted" would likely garner more clout & respect in academia than your Liberal Arts School does.

Just when I thought you couldn't come up with any weaker argument to answer legitimate questions,
you drop that bombshell on me.

Thank You!
Seriously Retiree,
Thank You very much!
:D

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