Fearing a ban, 'people are panic-buying'

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Barack Obama is still two months away from taking over the presidency, but he can already take credit for boosting at least one sector of the troubled economy: the firearms industry.

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'His rhetoric regarding the Second Amendment is deceptive,'' said Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation.''He cannot say he supports the Second Amendment and then say he wants to ban semiautomatic firearms

That about sums up Hussein Obamas stance on firearms.
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I got me enuff already. I kin protect my stuf and my wimen folk and my land. Just don't know how to add and subtract, not past 5th grade.

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No Wayy wrote:
'His rhetoric regarding the Second Amendment is deceptive,'' said Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation.''He cannot say he supports the Second Amendment and then say he wants to ban semiautomatic firearms
That about sums up Hussein Obamas stance on firearms.
why cant he say that?

here is his statment reworded.

I like all fruits, except oranges.

does that make sense to you?

obviously i was using what i wrote as an example. so dont try to be a moron and read into it.

i believe that fully automatic weapons should be banned, but i support the seond ammendment. i carry a semi automatic pistol. i support my right to carry a weapon, but even i can see that the law was not intended for its current use, because of our current weapons technology.
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NOOOOOOO. Now the Obama knows who has all the guns. You'll be the first on the list
Milton Friedman

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why cant he say that?
here is his statment reworded.
I like all fruits, except oranges.
does that make sense to you?
obviously i was using what i wrote as an example. so dont try to be a moron and read into it.
i believe that fully automatic weapons should be banned, but i support the seond ammendment. i carry a semi automatic pistol. i support my right to carry a weapon, but even i can see that the law was not intended for its current use, because of our current weapons technology.
You make perfect sense until you look at examples of selective gun prohibition and realize they create lawless crime zones (e.g. Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Detroit).

Your intention is noble. The unintended consequences of your proposed prohibition are demonstrably disastrous. Prohibitions don't work.

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Milton Friedman wrote:
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You make perfect sense until you look at examples of selective gun prohibition and realize they create lawless crime zones (e.g. Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Detroit).
Your intention is noble. The unintended consequences of your proposed prohibition are demonstrably disastrous. Prohibitions don't work.
how are the inner cities getting these guns? since they were illegal a few years ago (fully automatic), how did they aquire these guns?

the gun industry in general needs more regulations, to get those guns off the streets. they need to stop the flow of automatic weapons from across the borders.

The weapons are not the problem. the problem is that they are being obtained illegally. but still, no body needs a fully automatic rifle...at all. can you tell me a good use for a fully auto?

cocaine is in this country too, should we make that legal since it is already here?
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What a bunch of GOOBERS...
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how are the inner cities getting these guns? since they were illegal a few years ago (fully automatic), how did they aquire these guns?
the gun industry in general needs more regulations, to get those guns off the streets. they need to stop the flow of automatic weapons from across the borders.
The weapons are not the problem. the problem is that they are being obtained illegally. but still, no body needs a fully automatic rifle...at all. can you tell me a good use for a fully auto?
cocaine is in this country too, should we make that legal since it is already here?
There currently exist over 1,200 state and federal gun laws. You seem to think the next law passed will magically accomplish what 1,200 have failed to accomplish. Attempting the same action expecting a different result is Einstein's definition of insanity. How did the guns get into the cities? Don't be silly - and thanks for making my point. More laws will have absolutely no effect on those who refuse to obey laws. Your question really asks why criminals do criminal things - like possess illegal guns?

As for cocaine: yes, decriminalize it. Its prohibition has also resulted in it's wider use and popularity - as well as the criminal element required to traffic anything illegal. You sound as naive as you sound sincere. Prohibitions don't work.

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Milton Friedman wrote:
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There currently exist over 1,200 state and federal gun laws. You seem to think the next law passed will magically accomplish what 1,200 have failed to accomplish. Attempting the same action expecting a different result is Einstein's definition of insanity. How did the guns get into the cities? Don't be silly - and thanks for making my point. More laws will have absolutely no effect on those who refuse to obey laws. Your question really asks why criminals do criminal things - like possess illegal guns?
As for cocaine: yes, decriminalize it. Its prohibition has also resulted in it's wider use and popularity - as well as the criminal element required to traffic anything illegal. You sound as naive as you sound sincere. Prohibitions don't work.
so with your logic. there should be no laws. why have a law for anything, right.

since speeding is a crime it only makes people want to go faster. no more traffic laws. drunk driving? fine by you. a teen wants to shoot his mother in the head because she wont let him go to a party for because of poor grades. thats fine billy, shoot away.

you way will not work....ever

prohibitions do work and there are penalties for those who choose not to obey them.

a lot illegal guns are coming from the gun manufacturers themselves. being snuck out or stolen by employees. they are the ones that need to be watched. if you cut them out, there goes the supply.

some of the guns are being bought legally and being sold to others illegally. a law enforcing number of guns a person is allowed to own would help that.

there are better ways than just saying no more laws.
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legalize pot ~~~~~~~ :)
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"a lot illegal guns are coming from the gun manufacturers themselves. being snuck out or stolen by employees. they are the ones that need to be watched. if you cut them out, there goes the supply."

Absolutely not true! Firearms manufactures are HIGHLY regulated. Firearms HAVE to have a serial number. Every firearm has to be accounted for to the ATF. If firearms show up missing from a manufacturer (or even a dealer) someone is going to jail.

"but still, no body needs a fully automatic rifle...at all. can you tell me a good use for a fully auto?"

No new fully automatic rifles (aka machine guns) have been produced for civilian sale since 1986. The ones on the market now were grandfathered creating a limited supply. As with any limited supply of a durable good the prices have sky rocketed. For example in 1985 an M16 (full auto) was only a couple hundred dollars more than its semi auto cousin (AR15). Now an AR15 costs about $700 to $1100 and an M16 costs $16,000 to 18,000. Most machine guns are now in the posession of collectors and investors not common criminals.

As for why someone would need a full auto, I don't know why they would need one. I have no use for one but it's protected in the second amendment. Therefore if they want one and aren't a criminal they can have one. Don't give me the excuse that the founding fathers didn't anticipate that kind of technology. They also didn't anticipate the internet, radio, television, mass digital printing, microphones and amplifiers, faxes, satelites etc. The freedom of speech gets 'abused' all the time and no one wants to that. Hell, even pornography is (stupidly) protected by the first amendment.

"some of the guns are being bought legally and being sold to others illegally. a law enforcing number of guns a person is allowed to own would help that."

How would that help? I own over 50 guns and I have never bought or sold a gun illegally. Nor do I know anyone that has. Most illegal guns on the streets are stolen. Or are purchased by a "criminal" that doesn't have a record yet.

I get sick and tired of hearing what people have a "right" to but anything in the bill of RIGHTS is an exception. The constitution actually affirms (not grants) very few rights but a great number of freedoms. The 2A is a right.

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Johnnie B wrote:
"a lot illegal guns are coming from the gun manufacturers themselves. being snuck out or stolen by employees. they are the ones that need to be watched. if you cut them out, there goes the supply."
Absolutely not true! Firearms manufactures are HIGHLY regulated. Firearms HAVE to have a serial number. Every firearm has to be accounted for to the ATF. If firearms show up missing from a manufacturer (or even a dealer) someone is going to jail.
"but still, no body needs a fully automatic rifle...at all. can you tell me a good use for a fully auto?"
No new fully automatic rifles (aka machine guns) have been produced for civilian sale since 1986. The ones on the market now were grandfathered creating a limited supply. As with any limited supply of a durable good the prices have sky rocketed. For example in 1985 an M16 (full auto) was only a couple hundred dollars more than its semi auto cousin (AR15). Now an AR15 costs about $700 to $1100 and an M16 costs $16,000 to 18,000. Most machine guns are now in the posession of collectors and investors not common criminals.
As for why someone would need a full auto, I don't know why they would need one. I have no use for one but it's protected in the second amendment. Therefore if they want one and aren't a criminal they can have one. Don't give me the excuse that the founding fathers didn't anticipate that kind of technology. They also didn't anticipate the internet, radio, television, mass digital printing, microphones and amplifiers, faxes, satelites etc. The freedom of speech gets 'abused' all the time and no one wants to that. Hell, even pornography is (stupidly) protected by the first amendment.
"some of the guns are being bought legally and being sold to others illegally. a law enforcing number of guns a person is allowed to own would help that."
How would that help? I own over 50 guns and I have never bought or sold a gun illegally. Nor do I know anyone that has. Most illegal guns on the streets are stolen. Or are purchased by a "criminal" that doesn't have a record yet.
I get sick and tired of hearing what people have a "right" to but anything in the bill of RIGHTS is an exception. The constitution actually affirms (not grants) very few rights but a great number of freedoms. The 2A is a right.
take a look at the actualities of our "rights" and you will be surprised.

your rights end where anothers begin.

i fully support a ban on full aotomatic weapons. there is no need for them.

are firearm manufacturers in other countries as regulated as ours? Do they care who buys them and then imports them into our country? Do you think customs catches them? do you think some of them arent on the payroll themselves?

where does this right end? can i own a a nuclear weapon? according to you, yes. because it is protected under my rights. can i place land mines throughout my property to protect myself? according to you, yes. 2A doesnt cover this but, it is a weapon and can be used for self defense. a little vague dont you think? how far can we take it?

the right to bear arms needs to be revisited, because unlike all of the other things that you have come to be since our forefathers wrote the constitution, this one kills people.
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"the right to bear arms needs to be revisited, because unlike all of the other things that you have come to be since our forefathers wrote the constitution, this one kills people."

Yup, my gun jumped off of my nightstand and shot me in the arm last night.
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Guns don't kill people, We kill people.

Blackwater motto.

Yes I'm joking please don't flame me I actually do support the Bill of rights including the 2nd amendment.
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take a look at the actualities of our "rights" and you will be surprised.
your rights end where anothers begin.
i fully support a ban on full aotomatic weapons. there is no need for them.
are firearm manufacturers in other countries as regulated as ours? Do they care who buys them and then imports them into our country? Do you think customs catches them? do you think some of them arent on the payroll themselves?
where does this right end? can i own a a nuclear weapon? according to you, yes. because it is protected under my rights. can i place land mines throughout my property to protect myself? according to you, yes. 2A doesnt cover this but, it is a weapon and can be used for self defense. a little vague dont you think? how far can we take it?
the right to bear arms needs to be revisited, because unlike all of the other things that you have come to be since our forefathers wrote the constitution, this one kills people.
No this right does not kill people!! People kill people with whatever tool is available!! And it's my right to own whatever tool i choose to defend myself with!! This has got to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard!! My forefathers gave me the right and i will continue to keep the tools granted to me... i don't need to revisit the past!!
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take a look at the actualities of our "rights" and you will be surprised.
your rights end where anothers begin.
i fully support a ban on full aotomatic weapons. there is no need for them.
are firearm manufacturers in other countries as regulated as ours? Do they care who buys them and then imports them into our country? Do you think customs catches them? do you think some of them arent on the payroll themselves?
where does this right end? can i own a a nuclear weapon? according to you, yes. because it is protected under my rights. can i place land mines throughout my property to protect myself? according to you, yes. 2A doesnt cover this but, it is a weapon and can be used for self defense. a little vague dont you think? how far can we take it?
the right to bear arms needs to be revisited, because unlike all of the other things that you have come to be since our forefathers wrote the constitution, this one kills people.
Do you even know the difference between an automatic, semi-auto and conventional weapon? Here's a hint: almost NO violent street crimes are committed with fully automatic weapons. Another hint: pretty much every handgun is semi-auto. No, that does not mean machine gun.
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the right to bear arms needs to be revisited, because unlike all of the other things that you have come to be since our forefathers wrote the constitution, this one kills people.
And nobody has ever died as a result of free speech, no sir.

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Pete wrote:
<quoted text>And nobody has ever died as a result of free speech, no sir.
words have never killed anyone. violence has killed them.

yes i know the difference between weapons. if you have read any of my other posts you would know that.

here's a hint. almost no is very different than no.

the "right" needs to be revisited. if you think i am the only one that thinks this way, you are very mistaken.

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American Born wrote:
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No this right does not kill people!! People kill people with whatever tool is available!! And it's my right to own whatever tool i choose to defend myself with!! This has got to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard!! My forefathers gave me the right and i will continue to keep the tools granted to me... i don't need to revisit the past!!
would you be ok with your neighbor rigging their house with explosives to defend it, knowing it could destroy your home and family if they needed to use it? but it is their right, isnt it.
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Why would any of you other posters question AB's wisdom and council on the framing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights by our founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton,James Madison, Gouverneur Morris, George Washington. What could these men know of life or the price of liberty?
Surely AB has more life's wisdom than the combined experience of all the framers.
The Bill of Rights has protected it's citizens for over 250 years.
But if AB sez it needs to be revisited, he must be right!
What's a one word answer for AB's sexuality?

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