Copy of Health Care Bill HB3200

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Citizen

Longville, LA

#1 Aug 1, 2009
Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House. Here is a link to the Bill (H.R.3200)

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdo...

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits u get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans.#AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/#AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.
Citizen

Longville, LA

#2 Aug 1, 2009
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes.(Americans will pay)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
Citizen

Longville, LA

#3 Aug 1, 2009
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
Good Evening America

United States

#4 Aug 1, 2009
Unless the majority of American citizens really get involved and contact their congressmen or women and make their voice and vote heard, we are dead concerning healthcare . No sensible person would want this. Remember neither Mr. Obama nor congress will have this plan ,or their families, yet thats what some of them want to 'give' to the American citizens, the taxpayers. You know the ones that pay their hefty salaries and benefits .
oh pleaseeeee

Mountain Home, AR

#5 Aug 2, 2009
Oh please, do you believe everything you read on the web. Please try to find the REAL document and read it
Good Evening America

United States

#6 Aug 2, 2009
oh pleaseeeee wrote:
Oh please, do you believe everything you read on the web. Please try to find the REAL document and read it
What are you talking about? If you know of a supposed 'Real' document , are you willing to share this? From what I know , I am not interested in the proposed universal health care; its more like universal health nightmare as far as I'm concerned for myself and my loved ones. Remember the president and congress will not be subjected to this proposed plan, that speaks loudly.
Citizen

Longville, LA

#7 Aug 2, 2009
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/bills/index.html

Ok wise guy, you can go to the Congressional Bills Main Page above and download your copy from the government. You must be a country club member.
Just type in Health Care and click submit and get your copy of HR3200.
Wm Craig Barnard

Hurleyville, NY

#8 Aug 6, 2009
We The People Must require by law that all politicians including the President, Congress and senators as well as all govt employees.
Forther the way to curb government is to start developing a movement to Privitize all government programs not allowed under Article 2 of the Constitution. This will remove government from business activities not granted to government and provide massive infusion of business activity into the private sector.
Government should then promote the mechanisms to make these things possible rather than take control of it.
End control of your life by govt. Privitize America.
Wm Craig Barnard

Hurleyville, NY

#9 Aug 6, 2009
Oops didn't complete the first line of my last post.

We The People Must require by law that all politicians including the President, Congress and senators as well as all govt employeesbe on the exact same plan.
Slingshot

Lake Charles, LA

#10 Aug 6, 2009
I suppose AR -kids & medicad & medicare, & most of all are VA hospitals for are veterans are all no good because are Goverment runs them. Get real dude, Besides if you do'nt want to buy into his health care you can keep your policy. So whats the problem.
Ken in SacCal

Carmichael, CA

#11 Aug 6, 2009
Slingshot. You can keep your current plan for now. BUT. In five years. Yes 5yrs. You will be forced into this plan. It's all there for your perusal. Google it.
stevethescientis t

Boise, ID

#12 Aug 6, 2009
Have any of you actually read thi document? Over half of the comments citizen is making are completely fabricated or taken out of context. If you actually read through this document you will see that the only people that are getting screwed are the physicians and health insurance companies that are taking advantage of he system. Even the honest physicians will still be taken care of under this bill they are just ridding the system of the massive extortion that middle class americans are constantly subjected to. Please read this before you make foolish comments that just scare people.
Agree

Mountain Home, AR

#13 Aug 6, 2009
Agree with stevethescientist!! READ it for yourself, do not believe all that is posted to forums like this one.

I could not believe that anyone would believe what Citizen posted. again please read for yourself!!!
socialism stinks

United States

#14 Aug 7, 2009
For the ones that believe this reform will help them... get real. Suggest you travel abroad . Visit England or even Canada and 'find out the reality of this nightmare they call healtcare' and how the vast majority would love to have care similar to Americans, unless of course you are the Queen of England and it does not affect you. Fact is our government is already cutting back on medicare with private insurance companies following along and with this plan it will likely get much worse. If this proposed plan is so wonderful , why is it that congress and the President will not have this plan but a different one? One more like whats in place in America now. The cost of living in England is much more than the US and remember many of our ancestors left there long ago to get away from Taxes, what do you think this proposed health plan will bring other than a mess and more taxes?
Slingshot

Lake Charles, LA

#15 Aug 8, 2009
YO bro you can still keep your health care plan if you do'nt like the govement one. But aleast give it a chance. okay bro.
AggiePilot

United States

#16 Aug 8, 2009
oh pleaseeeee

Oh please, do you believe everything you read on the web. Please try to find the REAL document and read it
stevethescientis t
Have any of you actually read thi document? Over half of the comments citizen is making are completely fabricated or taken out of context. If you actually read through this document you will see that the only people that are getting screwed are the physicians and health insurance companies that are taking advantage of he system. Even the honest physicians will still be taken care of under this bill they are just ridding the system of the massive extortion that middle class americans are constantly subjected to. Please read this before you make foolish comments that just scare people.

Yes I have read several pages of this document. It is available via the Library of Congress:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z... :

I suggest you both read it and then tell the rest of us we are WRONG! You are clueless!!!
Hmmm

Longville, LA

#17 Aug 9, 2009
kerry

Chandler, AZ

#18 Aug 11, 2009
stevethescientist wrote:
Have any of you actually read thi document? Over half of the comments citizen is making are completely fabricated or taken out of context. If you actually read through this document you will see that the only people that are getting screwed are the physicians and health insurance companies that are taking advantage of he system. Even the honest physicians will still be taken care of under this bill they are just ridding the system of the massive extortion that middle class americans are constantly subjected to. Please read this before you make foolish comments that just scare people.
Yes I have - have you? Obviously not as your incorrect. This is not the type of health care Americans need. Right now every man, woman and child has available health care as everyone has access to a hospital or urgent care center or a neighborhood health center that charges on a sliding scale basis. What they don't all have is insurance - big difference. This bill would deny coverage to me, my child and my mother if she was still alive. Don't fall for this package or for what the idiots on the hill are saying.
kerry

Chandler, AZ

#19 Aug 11, 2009
Slingshot wrote:
YO bro you can still keep your health care plan if you do'nt like the govement one. But aleast give it a chance. okay bro.
You can only keep your current health care plan for awhile then its gone plus if you leave your current job and go to a new one - you can't take it with you nor can you opt to have the private plan the company your going to might have - you will have to take the government plan. Which as written would end up costing me more. May cost others of you less but it would definately cost some of us more. NOT to mention the waiting period you will have to get care.
Besides having health insurance is not a right.
Ivan the Mad

United States

#20 Aug 11, 2009
The healthcare system as it exists now has worked for over 200 years. Why mess with it?

The republics of the former soviet union have "government health care" and look what happens. In some of the baltic states, if you need good healthcare and are on a long waiting list, just bribe the doctor and you're moved to the head of the pack. My ex wife is Lithuanian. When she came here, she could'nt understand why I didn't need to bring a chicken or a pig to the doctor with me when I had an appointment.

In our country, we live by the constitution and more specifically, the Bill of Rights. Nowhere does it say in the BOR that US Citizens are entitled to free healthcare, social security, income tax, gun control, or almost anything else.

It's time we remind the federal government that WE the individuals and the states control the country, not the feds.

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