Fight sends Hogan pupil to hospital

Fight sends Hogan pupil to hospital

There are 68 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Mar 5, 2008, titled Fight sends Hogan pupil to hospital. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

A 17-year-old Hogan High School student was in serious condition Tuesday after being assaulted by another student during an English class.

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Hogan Parent

San Francisco, CA

#1 Mar 5, 2008
What bothers me the most on this is that several students said "he had it coming".

What is wrong with our kids today where anyone would think that potentially life threatening injuries are justified?!? How bad could the "verbal exchange" have been?

So much for "sticks and stones". All parents need to talk to our kids, and gauge what they think is acceptable.
SDS

Coronado, CA

#2 Mar 5, 2008
GHETTO CULTURE.
Edna

Fremont, CA

#3 Mar 5, 2008
This is Vallejo! Not all parents of these students are being parents. This is sad to see. With all that is going on in this City, we really don't need our schools making news too. I'm really beginning to get embarassed that I live here.
danny

San Francisco, CA

#4 Mar 5, 2008
Dumb kids just can't let minor things like words go
Mary Sanchez

United States

#5 Mar 5, 2008
What will happen to the little darling who did this? NOTHING, because the school needs him in class to get the ADA money. Should the student and his family be required to PAY for the medical treatment including the tranportation to the hospital? Oh no, that's what the taxpayers are for. Are you starting to see a pattern here.
YHC

Vacaville, CA

#6 Mar 5, 2008
I think they need to add a course at school, anger management!! I agree nothing justifies hurting another human being.
George

San Francisco, CA

#7 Mar 5, 2008
Hey Mary you must get all those "attendance is money" from Mr. Santos too! LOL! Wish they had as much concern for the education and security of our children who do attend!
On another more serious note, maybe we should retwik the juvenile justice system. Even I as a kid knew that when you beat, shoot, or stab someone, there is a good chance in hell they may not come back!
Nameless

Azusa, CA

#8 Mar 5, 2008
Maybe the kid was a bully. Bullies do exist. All in all, it's sad!
Vallejo Resident

Foster City, CA

#9 Mar 5, 2008
There is something really wrong with our public schools. No wounder the independent studies program has an overwhelming number of parents who are trying to get there kids into the program. For myself my 15 year old is home schooled for this simple fact. I feel it is to danger to send my child there where she wouldn't be able to defend herself. Also she has common sense and thinks these kids who drink,do drungs,and fight are just plain stupid.I feel that these kids who decide to fight and hurt other kids should be expelled from that school indefinitly.
Vallejo parent

United States

#10 Mar 5, 2008
Hel-LO!! Fights in high school between teenagers have pretty much always existed and will always exist where you find large groups of hormone-laden teenagers! Nothing new here. It's not like this is exclusive to Vallejo, to this time period, or to any particular group.
This is an awful outcome resulting from a really bone-headed move of a kid and the attacker needs to face the consequences.
Does this mean that this fight is the fault of Vallejo schools? NO. Please.
Vallejo Mom

Santa Clara, CA

#11 Mar 5, 2008
This is exactly the reason I'm going into debt sending my son to St. Pats. It's a burden paying the yearly tuition at a private school, but look at the alternatives. Where's the parenting?
Nici

Washington, DC

#12 Mar 5, 2008
Mrs. Mom. I chose to go to public schools. My monm was willing to go inopt debt too but fights happen at SPSV too. Before my freshman year a girls mouth was slit open by a razor blade someone put in her soda. At least at public schools you have an oppurinty to defend yourself.

Vallejo Parent - I agree 100%. Does no one remeber the riots in the 60's??? on vallejo high's campus (may have been late 60's early 70's). My dad went there at the time. How is any fight different?
Vallejo parent

San Francisco, CA

#13 Mar 5, 2008
This child was a bully indeed pushing this boy’s back against the wall day after day he cried out for help from the school official but nothing took place because their to wrap up in the fact that the city of Vallejo is going bankrupt and whether or not there going to have a job his parents even went to talk to the school no results there either. So what do you think he should have done???? differently keep getting beat up and have his money taken i don’t think so no it should have gone as far as it did but with built up pressure being release things happen this is a good kid with a 3.0 grade average there is nothing dumb about him what’s dumb is the injured boys parents not fulfilling their Childs needs and sends him to school to take from others because he is less fortunate. Educate yourselves as parent and as readers learn about before your so quick to speak about and remember only god can judge so who are you???.
Hogan Parent

San Francisco, CA

#14 Mar 5, 2008
Vallejo parent wrote:
Hel-LO!! Fights in high school between teenagers have pretty much always existed and will always exist where you find large groups of hormone-laden teenagers! Nothing new here. It's not like this is exclusive to Vallejo, to this time period, or to any particular group.
This is an awful outcome resulting from a really bone-headed move of a kid and the attacker needs to face the consequences.
Does this mean that this fight is the fault of Vallejo schools? NO. Please.
Fights - yes they have always happened.

Life threatening injuries? No. The kid was kicked and stomped in/on the head after he was down.

This wasn't a simple throw a few punches fight. Much, much worse.
Hogan Parent

San Francisco, CA

#15 Mar 5, 2008
Vallejo Mom wrote:
This is exactly the reason I'm going into debt sending my son to St. Pats. It's a burden paying the yearly tuition at a private school, but look at the alternatives. Where's the parenting?
Justify to yourself all you want, but St Pats has it's own set of issues. You can't escape society.

Why not spend that 8k+ on a better home in a better town if you aren't willing to support the public schools? Is the community at a whole better because you are choosing to run away from public schools? What happens when your child graduates? they will still have to function in the society populated by those public school kids.
EDA

San Diego, CA

#16 Mar 5, 2008
kids today, make me feel so proud to be a graduate of hogan high school.
Vallejo Mom

Santa Clara, CA

#17 Mar 5, 2008
Dear Nici, The student at SPSV will be expelled...not disciplined and allowed to return. That's the difference.
Vallejo parent

United States

#18 Mar 5, 2008
Hogan Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
Fights - yes they have always happened.
Life threatening injuries? No. The kid was kicked and stomped in/on the head after he was down.
This wasn't a simple throw a few punches fight. Much, much worse.
We agree on this. I did say that the boy should face the consequences of his actions. What he did was horrible - it doesn't matter what the motivating circumstances were or if the attacker was a 'good kid' driven over the edge. Someone was grievously injured and the attacker needs to face the consequences of his actions.

But to say that this case is reflective of Vallejo as a community or of Vallejo's public schools is ridiculous.

There are a lot of GOOD kids who go to Vallejo's public schools who DON'T get into fights, who get good grades, and who are assets to their schools and our community. To judge an entire school or for that matter, the whole school district, based on a fight or two is narrow-minded.
Vallejo parent

United States

#19 Mar 5, 2008
Vallejo Resident wrote:
There is something really wrong with our public schools. No wounder the independent studies program has an overwhelming number of parents who are trying to get there kids into the program. For myself my 15 year old is home schooled for this simple fact. I feel it is to danger to send my child there where she wouldn't be able to defend herself. Also she has common sense and thinks these kids who drink,do drungs,and fight are just plain stupid.I feel that these kids who decide to fight and hurt other kids should be expelled from that school indefinitly.
Kids make friends and associate with like kids. If your child doesn't drink, do drugs, or fight, she isn't likely to have friends who do these things either.
My stepdaughter went through Vallejo public schools - she didn't believe in any of these things either. Her friends were like her. They were never threatened. They didn't get into fights. They didn't party. To a kid, they all went to college. And they co-existed in the SAME schools as the kids who smoke, drink, and fight. How was this possible??
I'll tell you the difference: their parents were involved in their lives, and their parent gave them the right tools to succeed. If you have raised your daughter right, she will do well no matter where she goes to school.
I think it's a shame that you don't see that, and that you don't give your daughter the benefit of the doubt by allowing her to experience high school. Vallejo schools actually have some really good educators. But to each his own. You are doing what you feel is right for you and your child. Just don't assume that ALL kids in Vallejo schools are thugs and ne'er-do-wells. MY kids are there too and they are nothing of the sort.
Daughter in Class

Palo Alto, CA

#20 Mar 5, 2008
My daughter was in the class where this happened; it was just not a fight. The student that did all the harm also dropped a desk on the other students head; the student then had a seizure. The teacher in the class stood by and watched this all happen and did nothing to stop any of it. I have called Hogan and Franklin where I have my daughter and son; I have not received a phone call back from anyone. I have called the school district and again no call back. I do blame the school and district. They seem not to care about any of the children.

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