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#34726 Feb 3, 2013
PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTIONS 91.139, EMERGENCY AIR TRAFFIC RULES AND 99.7 SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. ALL GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN A 10 NAUTICAL MILES RADIUS OF AND BELOW 18000 FEET MSL OVER THE BELOW LISTED NUCLEAR SITES EXCEPT FOR MEDEVAC, LAW ENFORCEMENT, RESCUE/RECOVERY, EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND FIRE FIGHTING OPERATIONS WHEN AUTHORIZED BY ATC:

The current

Nuclear Sites

4/0811 ...SPECIAL NOTICE... THIS IS A RESTATEMENT OF A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED ADVISORY NOTICE. IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE, PILOTS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE, OR IN PROXIMITY TO SUCH SITES AS POWER PLANTS (NUCLEAR, HYDRO-ELECTRIC, OR COAL), DAMS, REFINERIES, INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES, MILITARY FACILITIES AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES. PILOTS SHOULD NOT CIRCLE AS TO LOITER IN THE VICINITY OVER THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. WIE UNTIL UFN

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TSF

Kenly, NC

#34727 Feb 3, 2013
The tricky one is called TFR s (temporary flight restrictions) which can pop up anywhere any time. Do not fly in those.
Prohibited zones are self explainatory and marked on the maps. Do not fly in those
Restricted airspace is also marked on maps with areas and altitudes. You can fly there with a clearance from ATC
Military Operation Areas are marked on maps .. You can fly there if they are not hot but at your own risk. Getting off your assigned path or altitude can be a violation. Flying visual in instrument conditions can be a violation. The rules and regulations are many and complex. Maps are marked with these areas and altitudes. The glider pilot had violated no regulations or airspace restrictions . No such restrictions were shown on the map where he was flying or at the altitude at which he was flying.
The problem in SC was that nothing was happening so the local LE decided to make some excitement. The pilot was gracious enough, so far, as to not sue Darlington County and its SO.
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> What DOES constitute an airspace violation?
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34728 Feb 3, 2013
Wrong.
waco1909 wrote:
Airspace over nuclear power plants is PROHIBITED PERIOD!!!
Allen

Penrose, NC

#34729 Feb 3, 2013
spoonfuloFSugar20 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Allen, that you're taken so much heat; for something so ridiculous. It's evident that there are many people with more serious problems than me. Which really makes me feel quite good!
Have a nice evening Allen, you really seem like a nice and genuine person. Too bad I didn't get to talk to you more. To deal with this junk; I'd rather fight in Iraq barehanded.
Thanks Spoon, you too.
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34730 Feb 3, 2013
Circling AROUND something is different from circling OVER something. The glider pilot circled around the facility, not over it. Also, you may pass over the facilities above indicated altitudes.
emlu wrote:
PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTIONS 91.139, EMERGENCY AIR TRAFFIC RULES AND 99.7 SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. ALL GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN A 10 NAUTICAL MILES RADIUS OF AND BELOW 18000 FEET MSL OVER THE BELOW LISTED NUCLEAR SITES EXCEPT FOR MEDEVAC, LAW ENFORCEMENT, RESCUE/RECOVERY, EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND FIRE FIGHTING OPERATIONS WHEN AUTHORIZED BY ATC:
The current
Nuclear Sites
4/0811 ...SPECIAL NOTICE... THIS IS A RESTATEMENT OF A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED ADVISORY NOTICE. IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE, PILOTS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE, OR IN PROXIMITY TO SUCH SITES AS POWER PLANTS (NUCLEAR, HYDRO-ELECTRIC, OR COAL), DAMS, REFINERIES, INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES, MILITARY FACILITIES AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES. PILOTS SHOULD NOT CIRCLE AS TO LOITER IN THE VICINITY OVER THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. WIE UNTIL UFN
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#34731 Feb 3, 2013
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Spoon, you too.
If you ever want to chat or say "Hi" you can e-mail me at
sandbeneathmyfeet@aol.com

I feel terrible for you, but maybe one day they'll realize that I'm not who ever they keep saying I am.

Have a nice night!
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34732 Feb 3, 2013
Earthquakes, tidal waves and meltdowns can damage nuclear power plants. Gliders cannot. I have no fear of nuclear power plants. I have a great fear of idiots with intentions of "protecting " me.. You are thousands of times safer in or around a nuclear power plant than you are in a doctor's office for instance. Each year, over 100,000 Americans die as a result of doctors and nurses not properly washing their hands. How many died because of gliders flying a circle around a power station? Zero.
waco1909 wrote:
Better to be safe, concerning nuclear power plants, than not.TSF surely you understand that?

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#34733 Feb 3, 2013
Volume: 2
Date: 2012-01-01
Original Date: 2012-01-01
Title: PART 103 - ULTRALIGHT VEHICLES
Context: Title 14 - Aeronautics and Space. CHAPTER I - FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION (CONTINUED). SUBCHAPTER F - AIR TRAFFIC AND GENERAL OPERATING RULES
103.19Operations in prohibited or restricted areas.No person may operate an ultralight vehicle in prohibited or restricted areas unless that person has permission from the using or controlling agency, as appropriate.
(d) If unpowered, weighs less than 155 pounds;

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#34734 Feb 3, 2013
TSF wrote:
Earthquakes, tidal waves and meltdowns can damage nuclear power plants. Gliders cannot. I have no fear of nuclear power plants. I have a great fear of idiots with intentions of "protecting " me.. You are thousands of times safer in or around a nuclear power plant than you are in a doctor's office for instance. Each year, over 100,000 Americans die as a result of doctors and nurses not properly washing their hands. How many died because of gliders flying a circle around a power station? Zero.
<quoted text>
How many jets had flown into the WTC buildings before 9-11?? Uhhh.....zero....

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#34735 Feb 3, 2013
TSF gliders were used on June 6,1944 to drop men and equipment weighing thousands of pounds, behind German lines.....D-Day......
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34736 Feb 3, 2013
That is correct. They were being towed by powered DC-3 s
waco1909 wrote:
TSF gliders were used on June 6,1944 to drop men and equipment weighing thousands of pounds, behind German lines.....D-Day......

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#34737 Feb 3, 2013
TSF wrote:
That is correct. They were being towed by powered DC-3 s
<quoted text>
So in your opinion a glider can't possibly damage a nuclear facility? Impossible? Really? With the state of modern explosives? Sort of like a motorboat being unable to damage an American destroyer? Heard of the U.S.S.. COLE?
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34738 Feb 3, 2013
The area around or above the power station in question IS NOT a prohibited Zone. It is not marked as such on the maps . The nearby Savanna River facility IS a Prohibited zone and is marked as such on the maps. That IS NOT where the glider pilot was flying. Thousands of airplanes in the USA fly over nuclear power plants every day. Do not worry about airplanes. Since 911, any pilot who wanders into a prohibited zone, a TFR ,etc, WILL be intercepted by military fighter planes and dealt with as appropriate to the situation.
The US military command structure has the authority and is fully capable of dealing with these incidents. There is no authority for or need for Darlington County SO or any other local LE to be out commandeering airports and blazing away at gliders with shotguns, pistols and rifles.
emlu wrote:
Volume: 2
Date: 2012-01-01
Original Date: 2012-01-01
Title: PART 103 - ULTRALIGHT VEHICLES
Context: Title 14 - Aeronautics and Space. CHAPTER I - FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION (CONTINUED). SUBCHAPTER F - AIR TRAFFIC AND GENERAL OPERATING RULES
103.19Operations in prohibited or restricted areas.No person may operate an ultralight vehicle in prohibited or restricted areas unless that person has permission from the using or controlling agency, as appropriate.
(d) If unpowered, weighs less than 155 pounds;
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34739 Feb 3, 2013
Lets chase this rabbit. How many jets flew into WTC building 7 the day it collapsed?
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> How many jets had flown into the WTC buildings before 9-11?? Uhhh.....zero....

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#34740 Feb 3, 2013
TSF if you want to gamble with yourself, great.Haven't we been burned enough in this country by"assuming"things can't be done? NEVER UNDERESTIMATE your OPPONENT!

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#34741 Feb 3, 2013
You're being obtuse TSF.YOU are aware that passenger jets fly higher than 18,000 feet.What do you think will happen if a passenger jet flies over a facility at ten thousand feet? You also seem to think that Capt.Kirk can BEAM a military jet to where its needed.IT takes TIME! Not only that, do you think they keep F-15's under every rock? Where do you think jets would come from if Houston were threatened? If Ellington Field has already been shut down, and it was scheduled for that when Bush was president, they'd have to come from SAN ANTONIO! That is, according to the Houston Chronicle, which was covering that story, not to mention the local affiliates.

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#34742 Feb 3, 2013
For some reason, as I recall, they scrambled no"interceptors"on 9-11.

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#34743 Feb 3, 2013
We will just disagree on this one,TSF.I SELDOM challenge you on anything, but I felt that this time, I should.

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#34744 Feb 3, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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You're playing Republican dodge ball again. Let's see some examples
Go back and read any of Mike's post, it's present in most of his replies.

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#34745 Feb 3, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>Go back and read any of Mike's post, it's present in most of his replies.
That is a typical Republican generalization. No basis of specifics. I have read all of Mike's replies. Can you give a specific example? I still say the word 'semantics' is a cop out until proven otherwise. Easy way to avoid the point of the debate.

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