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“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

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#34710 Feb 3, 2013
TSF wrote:
Oh no, you are FOS again. In the first post you claimed that there was no mention of shooting down the glider. So your very own link proved you FOS. Now you are claiming the airport manager was seeking fame when actually, the idiots had invaded her airport and were instructing her to communicate with the glider pilot because they didn't even know the frequencies. I doubt you would be seeking fame when a gang of idiots with guns are running around saying they are commandeering your airport and are threatening to shoot down a glider of all things. Are your eyes brown half way up or completely brown to the top?
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Semantics guy. Semantics.

And, as usual, your information is incorrect.

I figure you for the "Excessive use of force" types if they had shot the glider down.
LuLu

Lenoir, NC

#34711 Feb 3, 2013
TSF wrote:
Oh no, you are FOS again. In the first post you claimed that there was no mention of shooting down the glider. So your very own link proved you FOS. Now you are claiming the airport manager was seeking fame when actually, the idiots had invaded her airport and were instructing her to communicate with the glider pilot because they didn't even know the frequencies. I doubt you would be seeking fame when a gang of idiots with guns are running around saying they are commandeering your airport and are threatening to shoot down a glider of all things. Are your eyes brown half way up or completely brown to the top?
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TSF, can you think of a better way to deliver an incendiary device than a glider? Like was said before, lucky the guy wasn't shot down. The glider should have known better even if the ones on the ground didn't.

Since: Dec 11

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#34712 Feb 3, 2013
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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Semantics guy. Semantics.
And, as usual, your information is incorrect.
I figure you for the "Excessive use of force" types if they had shot the glider down.
"Semantics" is the new Republican code word for "You've got my ass nailed up on the wall on that one, and I have no intelligent response to come back with".

“Seek Light”

Since: May 12

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#34713 Feb 3, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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"Semantics" is the new Republican code word for "You've got my ass nailed up on the wall on that one, and I have no intelligent response to come back with".
oooohhhh!

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#34714 Feb 3, 2013
TSF wrote:
Australia confiscated guns to make people safe. The results: 1. Aggravated Assaults increased 28% 2. Home invasions increased 21% 3. murders increased 19%
Aussies call that gun confiscation legislation the Criminal Empowerment Act.
Here Here

Since: Dec 11

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#34715 Feb 3, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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"Semantics" is the new Republican code word for "You've got my ass nailed up on the wall on that one, and I have no intelligent response to come back with".
But your side is notorious for using semantics. You shouldn't throw rocks when you live in a glass house!
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34716 Feb 3, 2013
Wrong again. I would NOT call it excessive use of force. I would call it ILLEGAL AND CRIMINAL USE OF FORCE because 1. local LE does not have the authority or jurisdiction to shoot down any aircraft for any reason 2. because the pilot had violated no airspace restriction, 3.had violated no laws 4. had not violated any FAA rules 5. Only military command structure can order the shooting down of a civilian aircraft. As you leave the USA , how about taking other idiots like those in Darlington County with you.
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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Semantics guy. Semantics.
And, as usual, your information is incorrect.
I figure you for the "Excessive use of force" types if they had shot the glider down.
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34717 Feb 3, 2013
Yes, I think almost any way , including burros, would be a better method. Since gliders have no engine, they cannot be just driven from point A directly to point B. Gliders have to CIRCLE to find lift and gain altitude to move to the next thermal or wave , where ever that might be . When they lose lift and altitude, they have to land, where ever that might be. Also, because of weight considerations, gliders are so light that breaking thorugh a wall in a frame house would be questionable. Breaking through a 15 ft thick steel reinforced containment building would be impossible, even for a 787 jetliner. But I must say that this discussion has been a learning experience for me personally. I never dreamed that there ore folks who can read and write that would have such misunderstanding of the law and of physics.
LuLu wrote:
<quoted text>TSF, can you think of a better way to deliver an incendiary device than a glider? Like was said before, lucky the guy wasn't shot down. The glider should have known better even if the ones on the ground didn't.

“Seek Light”

Since: May 12

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#34718 Feb 3, 2013
TSF wrote:
Wrong again. I would NOT call it excessive use of force. I would call it ILLEGAL AND CRIMINAL USE OF FORCE because 1. local LE does not have the authority or jurisdiction to shoot down any aircraft for any reason 2. because the pilot had violated no airspace restriction, 3.had violated no laws 4. had not violated any FAA rules 5. Only military command structure can order the shooting down of a civilian aircraft. As you leave the USA , how about taking other idiots like those in Darlington County with you.
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What DOES constitute an airspace violation?

Since: Dec 11

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#34719 Feb 3, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>But your side is notorious for using semantics. You shouldn't throw rocks when you live in a glass house!
You're playing Republican dodge ball again. Let's see some examples

“Seek Light”

Since: May 12

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#34720 Feb 3, 2013
Prohibited airspace is marked with a"P", followed by a number, on aeronautical charts.For instance, the area over Camp David, where the president might be.

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

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#34721 Feb 3, 2013
TSF wrote:
Wrong again. I would NOT call it excessive use of force. I would call it ILLEGAL AND CRIMINAL USE OF FORCE because 1. local LE does not have the authority or jurisdiction to shoot down any aircraft for any reason 2. because the pilot had violated no airspace restriction, 3.had violated no laws 4. had not violated any FAA rules 5. Only military command structure can order the shooting down of a civilian aircraft. As you leave the USA , how about taking other idiots like those in Darlington County with you.
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Don't have the authority? Um, the nuclear power plant security team called the Sheriffs office of Darlington County, SC. Not the military. Since the problem is and was a local law enforcement problem, the local law enforcement would use all available means necessary to thwart or deter the threat deemed necessary.

But, the sheriff clearly states these types of incidents are not the norm and normally, they only deal with aircraft incidents once they have crashed. Based upon that info alone, I'd say the pilot should attend the nearest local church service and give thanks the deputies restrained themselves.

Not once have I disputed the containment buildings would be able to withstand from most aircraft, let alone a glider, but most people do not know that kind of information nor care. Look at the response to Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. Terrible and horific tragedy by any stretch of the imagination, but democrats have jumped all over more "gun legislation."

Your attempts to sensationalize this story is no different. Democrat ploy, antics and tactics.

Since: Sep 12

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#34722 Feb 3, 2013
TSF wrote:
Yes, I think almost any way , including burros, would be a better method. Since gliders have no engine, they cannot be just driven from point A directly to point B. Gliders have to CIRCLE to find lift and gain altitude to move to the next thermal or wave , where ever that might be . When they lose lift and altitude, they have to land, where ever that might be. Also, because of weight considerations, gliders are so light that breaking thorugh a wall in a frame house would be questionable. Breaking through a 15 ft thick steel reinforced containment building would be impossible, even for a 787 jetliner. But I must say that this discussion has been a learning experience for me personally. I never dreamed that there ore folks who can read and write that would have such misunderstanding of the law and of physics.
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OK, TSF, but I've been tandom with a friend of mine and I kinda get the glider thing. At one time Grandfather Mountain held championship comptitions, now they go off "Tater Hill" in Boone. It doesn't change the fact that you really should have better sense than to circle a power plant. The pilot I know said the guy was "an idiot".

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

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#34723 Feb 3, 2013
TSF wrote:
Wrong again. I would NOT call it excessive use of force. I would call it ILLEGAL AND CRIMINAL USE OF FORCE because 1. local LE does not have the authority or jurisdiction to shoot down any aircraft for any reason 2. because the pilot had violated no airspace restriction, 3.had violated no laws 4. had not violated any FAA rules 5. Only military command structure can order the shooting down of a civilian aircraft. As you leave the USA , how about taking other idiots like those in Darlington County with you.
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And again, you are wrong. Reasonable amount of force necessary to deter or thwart a threat is given to all citizens, not just law enforcement or the military.

And you are correct, the pilot did not deviate any flight plans or restricted airspace nor violated any FAA rules. However, most local law enforcement officers responding to an incident, including supervisors, probably aren't well versed in FAA rules or regulations.

But is it is their responsiblity to protect and serve all citizens from all threats, not the ones YOU feel are credible.

“Seek Light”

Since: May 12

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#34724 Feb 3, 2013
Better to be safe, concerning nuclear power plants, than not.TSF surely you understand that?

“Seek Light”

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#34725 Feb 3, 2013
Airspace over nuclear power plants is PROHIBITED PERIOD!!!

Since: Sep 12

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#34726 Feb 3, 2013
PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTIONS 91.139, EMERGENCY AIR TRAFFIC RULES AND 99.7 SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. ALL GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN A 10 NAUTICAL MILES RADIUS OF AND BELOW 18000 FEET MSL OVER THE BELOW LISTED NUCLEAR SITES EXCEPT FOR MEDEVAC, LAW ENFORCEMENT, RESCUE/RECOVERY, EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND FIRE FIGHTING OPERATIONS WHEN AUTHORIZED BY ATC:

The current

Nuclear Sites

4/0811 ...SPECIAL NOTICE... THIS IS A RESTATEMENT OF A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED ADVISORY NOTICE. IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE, PILOTS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE, OR IN PROXIMITY TO SUCH SITES AS POWER PLANTS (NUCLEAR, HYDRO-ELECTRIC, OR COAL), DAMS, REFINERIES, INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES, MILITARY FACILITIES AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES. PILOTS SHOULD NOT CIRCLE AS TO LOITER IN THE VICINITY OVER THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. WIE UNTIL UFN

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthre...
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34727 Feb 3, 2013
The tricky one is called TFR s (temporary flight restrictions) which can pop up anywhere any time. Do not fly in those.
Prohibited zones are self explainatory and marked on the maps. Do not fly in those
Restricted airspace is also marked on maps with areas and altitudes. You can fly there with a clearance from ATC
Military Operation Areas are marked on maps .. You can fly there if they are not hot but at your own risk. Getting off your assigned path or altitude can be a violation. Flying visual in instrument conditions can be a violation. The rules and regulations are many and complex. Maps are marked with these areas and altitudes. The glider pilot had violated no regulations or airspace restrictions . No such restrictions were shown on the map where he was flying or at the altitude at which he was flying.
The problem in SC was that nothing was happening so the local LE decided to make some excitement. The pilot was gracious enough, so far, as to not sue Darlington County and its SO.
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> What DOES constitute an airspace violation?
TSF

Kenly, NC

#34728 Feb 3, 2013
Wrong.
waco1909 wrote:
Airspace over nuclear power plants is PROHIBITED PERIOD!!!
Allen

Penrose, NC

#34729 Feb 3, 2013
spoonfuloFSugar20 wrote:
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Sorry Allen, that you're taken so much heat; for something so ridiculous. It's evident that there are many people with more serious problems than me. Which really makes me feel quite good!
Have a nice evening Allen, you really seem like a nice and genuine person. Too bad I didn't get to talk to you more. To deal with this junk; I'd rather fight in Iraq barehanded.
Thanks Spoon, you too.

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