Smoking ban proposals held over for m...

Smoking ban proposals held over for more debate

There are 16 comments on the The Item story from Jan 17, 2008, titled Smoking ban proposals held over for more debate. In it, The Item reports that:

“We need to seize it for the future of South Carolina”

Historically tobacco-friendly South Carolina is considering a series of measures that would ban smoking in indoor, public places, increase the lowest cigarette tax in the nation and prohibit adults from ... via The Item

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Linda

United States

#1 Jan 17, 2008
Tired of the lies ...smoking bans are paid for by drug companies who profit from smoking cessation products

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Since: Jan 08

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#3 Jan 18, 2008
Good news may be coming up in Virginia...

An inside source within the Virginia General Assembly reported to the Right To Smoke Blog today that the bill Governor Kaine submitted to the Virginia General Assembly to ban smoking in Restaurants as well as the other smoking ban bills have very little chance of passing!

All eleven of the bills are in committee. The House Bills (HB) have been sent to the House General Laws Committee under the ABC/Gaming Sub-Committee. This sub-committee is comprised of 4 Republicans, 1 Independent, and 1 Democrat. The members are : Chairman Thomas D. Gear (R), David B. Albo (R), Thomas C. Wright, Jr.(R), John A. Cosgrove (R), Watkins M. Abbitt, Jr.(I), and Dan C. Bowling (D).

The Senate Bills (SB) have been sent to the Senate Committee On Education And Health. This city is comprised of 5 Republicans and 10 Democrats. The members are : Chairman R. Edward Houck (D), Richard L. Saslaw (D), L. Louise Lucas (D), Janey D. Howell (D), Frederick M. Qualye (R), Stephen H. Martin (R), Stephen D. Newman (R), John S. Edwards (D), Frank M. Ruff, Jr.(R), Mary Margaret Whipple (D), Harry B. Blevins (R), Mamie E. Locke (D), George L. Barker (D), Ralph S. Northam (D), and John C. Miller (D).

The Virginia Delegate who wrote to the Right To Smoke Blog regarding the Smoking Ban bill submitted by Governor Kaine said that “while he expects the bill to pass the Senate he does not expect the bill to pass the House.”

When asked,“...do you think the Newport News request to pass their own ban will also fail?” the reply was “...it appears doubtful that any smoking ban
bills will pass the House.”

This is great news for freedom so far. It is possible that the bills will simply be defeated in the House Committee, which is heavily Republican. The fight started by Right To Smoke Blog to stop the smoking bans and protect freedom and liberty in Virginia may very well be working!

Hurry up and call or write to your Virginia Delegates and Senators to let them know that these bills should be DEFEATED in committee. There should never be a vote on freedom or constitutionally protected private property rights.

Right To Smoke Blog
http://web.mac.com/jason.m.myers
I see stupid people

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#4 Jan 18, 2008
Right To Smoke wrote:
Good news may be coming up in Virginia...
An inside source within the Virginia General Assembly reported to the Right To Smoke Blog today that the bill Governor Kaine submitted to the Virginia General Assembly to ban smoking in Restaurants as well as the other smoking ban bills have very little chance of passing!
All eleven of the bills are in committee. The House Bills (HB) have been sent to the House General Laws Committee under the ABC/Gaming Sub-Committee. This sub-committee is comprised of 4 Republicans, 1 Independent, and 1 Democrat. The members are : Chairman Thomas D. Gear (R), David B. Albo (R), Thomas C. Wright, Jr.(R), John A. Cosgrove (R), Watkins M. Abbitt, Jr.(I), and Dan C. Bowling (D).
The Senate Bills (SB) have been sent to the Senate Committee On Education And Health. This city is comprised of 5 Republicans and 10 Democrats. The members are : Chairman R. Edward Houck (D), Richard L. Saslaw (D), L. Louise Lucas (D), Janey D. Howell (D), Frederick M. Qualye (R), Stephen H. Martin (R), Stephen D. Newman (R), John S. Edwards (D), Frank M. Ruff, Jr.(R), Mary Margaret Whipple (D), Harry B. Blevins (R), Mamie E. Locke (D), George L. Barker (D), Ralph S. Northam (D), and John C. Miller (D).
The Virginia Delegate who wrote to the Right To Smoke Blog regarding the Smoking Ban bill submitted by Governor Kaine said that “while he expects the bill to pass the Senate he does not expect the bill to pass the House.”
When asked,“...do you think the Newport News request to pass their own ban will also fail?” the reply was “...it appears doubtful that any smoking ban
bills will pass the House.”
This is great news for freedom so far. It is possible that the bills will simply be defeated in the House Committee, which is heavily Republican. The fight started by Right To Smoke Blog to stop the smoking bans and protect freedom and liberty in Virginia may very well be working!
Hurry up and call or write to your Virginia Delegates and Senators to let them know that these bills should be DEFEATED in committee. There should never be a vote on freedom or constitutionally protected private property rights.
Right To Smoke Blog
http://web.mac.com/jason.m.myers
Still almost no one visiting that blog. 380 at last count. That is not the blockbuster you are making it out to be.

Since: Jan 08

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#5 Jan 18, 2008
I see stupid people wrote:
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Still almost no one visiting that blog. 380 at last count. That is not the blockbuster you are making it out to be.
Yup, and only roughly 3 weeks old and I would have to say that it's working. One of your other posts claims that Virginia is "poised" to have smoking bans this year, yet I have personally been contacted by multiple Virginia legislators who tell me that the Virginia bills to ban smoking are going up in smoke.

You see, I decided to do something, anything, whatever I could. You sit around on a Friday night gloating about how clean the air is in your bars now, yet I don't see you out patronizing any of them. You're sitting at home in front of your computer whining like a baby.
I see stupid people

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#6 Jan 19, 2008
Right To Smoke wrote:
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Yup, and only roughly 3 weeks old and I would have to say that it's working. One of your other posts claims that Virginia is "poised" to have smoking bans this year, yet I have personally been contacted by multiple Virginia legislators who tell me that the Virginia bills to ban smoking are going up in smoke.
You see, I decided to do something, anything, whatever I could. You sit around on a Friday night gloating about how clean the air is in your bars now, yet I don't see you out patronizing any of them. You're sitting at home in front of your computer whining like a baby.
I do not drink. I do not like bars. I do not have to patronize any of them.

I am part of a much larger group of people. We are the non smokers. For years we have had to put up with second hand smoke wherever we went. We sat in non smoking sections in a table that was right next to the smoking section. We went into places where the entire location was smoking. We went into bars where you could barely see for the smoke.

The smokers did not take our concerns seriously. They thought that an invisible wall kept the smoke in their section. They did not understand why non smokers did not want to smell of smoke after an evening out. They did not undertsnad the health concerns of the non smoker. They wanted to maintain the status quo.

The non smokers like me learned that there is strength in numbers. We decided that we did not want to breathe second hand smoke any more. Legislation was the answer.

We support each other in campaigns across te country. We write to our lawmakers and tell them that we want the air to be healthier. The lawmakers are listening to us.

You seem to think that we owe the bar owners a living. Far from it. It is a difficult business to succeed in. The bar owner needs to adapt to the new conditions or go out of business.

I do not hear you crying for the gas station owners who will lose money as cars become even more fuel efficient than they are now. People will buy less gas. They will stop at gas stattions less often and buy fewer sodas and everything else there. Some owners will go out of business as a direct result of government mandates and interventions.

Do not be so high and mighty cying crocodile tears for the bars that go out of business. You yourself are endorsing boycotts that will hurt the individual business owners who had no choice in the matter, right down to the ones who are having to charge higher taxes. The boycott is your right. A natural result of a boycott is the loss of businesses and employment. But if you are going to boycott, be a man and take responsibility for your actions and say "I did it." instead of hiding like a lost little girl and hoping that someone else will be blamed for your actions.

Since: Jan 08

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#7 Jan 19, 2008
I see stupid people wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not drink. I do not like bars. I do not have to patronize any of them.
I am part of a much larger group of people. We are the non smokers. For years we have had to put up with second hand smoke wherever we went. We sat in non smoking sections in a table that was right next to the smoking section. We went into places where the entire location was smoking. We went into bars where you could barely see for the smoke.
The smokers did not take our concerns seriously. They thought that an invisible wall kept the smoke in their section. They did not understand why non smokers did not want to smell of smoke after an evening out. They did not undertsnad the health concerns of the non smoker. They wanted to maintain the status quo.
The non smokers like me learned that there is strength in numbers. We decided that we did not want to breathe second hand smoke any more. Legislation was the answer.
We support each other in campaigns across te country. We write to our lawmakers and tell them that we want the air to be healthier. The lawmakers are listening to us.
You seem to think that we owe the bar owners a living. Far from it. It is a difficult business to succeed in. The bar owner needs to adapt to the new conditions or go out of business.
I do not hear you crying for the gas station owners who will lose money as cars become even more fuel efficient than they are now. People will buy less gas. They will stop at gas stattions less often and buy fewer sodas and everything else there. Some owners will go out of business as a direct result of government mandates and interventions.
Do not be so high and mighty cying crocodile tears for the bars that go out of business. You yourself are endorsing boycotts that will hurt the individual business owners who had no choice in the matter, right down to the ones who are having to charge higher taxes. The boycott is your right. A natural result of a boycott is the loss of businesses and employment. But if you are going to boycott, be a man and take responsibility for your actions and say "I did it." instead of hiding like a lost little girl and hoping that someone else will be blamed for your actions.
If you don't go to bars why do you care what goes on in them? They are private property that belongs to someone who saved enough money to buy the place. They don't belong to you.

You're damn straight I am initiating boycotts and they are working. I have posters all over the place. I am one of the smokers who QUIT GOING TO BARS WHO BECOME NON-SMOKING. That is very much the reason that many bars go out of business. You non-smokers never fill in the gaps of patronage that us smokers abandon. Proof positive. We have the power of the purse. I find it strange that when you cut and paste something, the grammar is much better than your normal tripe. Could it be that you are not the author? When I cut and paste an article it is ALWAYS one that I have written myself. Gift of the gab is something you are lacking.
I see stupid people

AOL

#8 Jan 19, 2008
Right To Smoke wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't go to bars why do you care what goes on in them? They are private property that belongs to someone who saved enough money to buy the place. They don't belong to you.
You're damn straight I am initiating boycotts and they are working. I have posters all over the place. I am one of the smokers who QUIT GOING TO BARS WHO BECOME NON-SMOKING. That is very much the reason that many bars go out of business. You non-smokers never fill in the gaps of patronage that us smokers abandon. Proof positive. We have the power of the purse. I find it strange that when you cut and paste something, the grammar is much better than your normal tripe. Could it be that you are not the author? When I cut and paste an article it is ALWAYS one that I have written myself. Gift of the gab is something you are lacking.
Since you are boycotting the bars, MAN UP. Take responsibility for your action. YOU, not me, are the reason the bars are going out of business. YOU. YOU and the other selfish smokers who want to pollute the lings of everyone around you. YOU and all of the other selfish smokers who do not care that you are killing the people closest to you. YOU and all of the other nicotine addicts who cannot go 5 minutes without a cigarette.

Since: Jan 08

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#9 Jan 19, 2008
I see stupid people wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you are boycotting the bars, MAN UP. Take responsibility for your action. YOU, not me, are the reason the bars are going out of business. YOU. YOU and the other selfish smokers who want to pollute the lings of everyone around you. YOU and all of the other selfish smokers who do not care that you are killing the people closest to you. YOU and all of the other nicotine addicts who cannot go 5 minutes without a cigarette.
Let's see. I am a bar patron and you are not. You do NOTHING to keep bars in business. I do, because I spend most of my entertainment budget in bars. That won't change, because there will always be bars that allow smoking whether it is legal or not. If a bar goes non-smoking for any reason, then I have no reason to be there. Then it is up to YOU to MAN UP and support the bar after fighting to make it smoke free. Since I am no longer welcome and you are the one who wanted the smoke free air, you are driving the business into bankruptcy. You are forcing a business to stop offering a service which is vital to its survival as a business. That service is called an ashtray and a waitress to empty it and bring another beer.
I see stupid people

AOL

#10 Jan 19, 2008
Right To Smoke wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see. I am a bar patron and you are not. You do NOTHING to keep bars in business. I do, because I spend most of my entertainment budget in bars. That won't change, because there will always be bars that allow smoking whether it is legal or not. If a bar goes non-smoking for any reason, then I have no reason to be there. Then it is up to YOU to MAN UP and support the bar after fighting to make it smoke free. Since I am no longer welcome and you are the one who wanted the smoke free air, you are driving the business into bankruptcy. You are forcing a business to stop offering a service which is vital to its survival as a business. That service is called an ashtray and a waitress to empty it and bring another beer.
No, you QUIT going to bars when there is a smoking ban. You are calling for other people to do the same. That is in your lap, not mine. There are non smokers who would like to go to bars, but they are unable to because of the second hand smoke. Since they support my right to eat in a smoke free restaurant, I support their right to drink in a non smoking bar. The same with comics who work comedy clubs. I support their right to work in a smoke free environment. I am not telling people not to go to bars until they are non smoking. I am not telling people not to go out to eat until the restaurants are non smoking. I am doing the successful thing and motivating people to contact their lawmakers and to make financial contributions to the organizations that fight for the right to breathe smoke free air. You, on the other hand, are like a child who is playing ball and does not like the rules. You are taking your ball and going home.

As far as the bar owners go, it is up to them to overcome the loss of the stinking, selfish smokers who would see other people die just so they can have a cigarette. I really do not see that as such a big loss, because the new clientelle will be so much nicer. But, again, it is up to the bar owner to attract these new customers. There are a lot of bar owners that are successful. There are some that are not.

I do not suppose that you have thought any distance into the future. If at some point, several years down the line, there is some letup on the smoking restrictions, all of the bar owners who fervently supported smokers will be gone. The bars regular clientelle will be non smokers and the bar owners will not alienate them just to appease a shrinking minority of people who are so fickle that they refused to support the bar owners in the face of adversity.

Since: Jan 08

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#11 Jan 19, 2008
I see stupid people wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you QUIT going to bars when there is a smoking ban. You are calling for other people to do the same. That is in your lap, not mine. There are non smokers who would like to go to bars, but they are unable to because of the second hand smoke. Since they support my right to eat in a smoke free restaurant, I support their right to drink in a non smoking bar. The same with comics who work comedy clubs. I support their right to work in a smoke free environment. I am not telling people not to go to bars until they are non smoking. I am not telling people not to go out to eat until the restaurants are non smoking. I am doing the successful thing and motivating people to contact their lawmakers and to make financial contributions to the organizations that fight for the right to breathe smoke free air. You, on the other hand, are like a child who is playing ball and does not like the rules. You are taking your ball and going home.
As far as the bar owners go, it is up to them to overcome the loss of the stinking, selfish smokers who would see other people die just so they can have a cigarette. I really do not see that as such a big loss, because the new clientelle will be so much nicer. But, again, it is up to the bar owner to attract these new customers. There are a lot of bar owners that are successful. There are some that are not.
I do not suppose that you have thought any distance into the future. If at some point, several years down the line, there is some letup on the smoking restrictions, all of the bar owners who fervently supported smokers will be gone. The bars regular clientelle will be non smokers and the bar owners will not alienate them just to appease a shrinking minority of people who are so fickle that they refused to support the bar owners in the face of adversity.
Are you proud to be unmanly and a whiner? Are you proud to be afraid of a little smoke? In your world action heroes in movies would lose the bad guy if he ran into a bar, because the hero would be afraid to go in and breath the smoke. What pitiful woosies some men are becoming. You should go on steriods and MAN UP. Is your father proud of you for being a cry-baby? Did he raise you like that?
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#12 Jan 20, 2008
Right To Smoke wrote:
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Are you proud to be unmanly and a whiner? Are you proud to be afraid of a little smoke? In your world action heroes in movies would lose the bad guy if he ran into a bar, because the hero would be afraid to go in and breath the smoke. What pitiful woosies some men are becoming. You should go on steriods and MAN UP. Is your father proud of you for being a cry-baby? Did he raise you like that?
I guess you play russian rouolette on the weekends since you are so willing to take risks. Why don't you make the game more interesting next weekend and use a semi automatic pistol instead of a revolver.

By the way, in my world, the hero WOULD run into the bar because the bar would be non smoking.

Since: Jan 08

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#13 Jan 20, 2008
I see stupid people wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you play russian rouolette on the weekends since you are so willing to take risks. Why don't you make the game more interesting next weekend and use a semi automatic pistol instead of a revolver.
By the way, in my world, the hero WOULD run into the bar because the bar would be non smoking.
Your world sounds boring. A bunch of pansies running around saying, "Ooooh, don't touch me, you might pop my plastic bubble."
Leave Smokers Alone

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#14 Jan 22, 2008
I am sick of all the complaining about smoking and I am even sicker about the cost increases to support people who don't have health insurance (we should be able to write the cost off on our income tax as a donation to charity)
Smokers wake up! Fight for your rights!
See this site to tell the president to stop adding more tax to our cigarettes!
http://ga1.org/campaign/US080122SCHIPVetoOver...
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#15 Jan 23, 2008
Leave Smokers Alone wrote:
I am sick of all the complaining about smoking and I am even sicker about the cost increases to support people who don't have health insurance (we should be able to write the cost off on our income tax as a donation to charity)
Smokers wake up! Fight for your rights!
See this site to tell the president to stop adding more tax to our cigarettes!
http://ga1.org/campaign/US080122SCHIPVetoOver...
This poster must be me since they used AOL. All smokers know that only one person uses AOL. I must have been posting in my sleep when I wrote that. Sorry. Everyone who knows me knows that I believe in bans and higher cigarette taxes.

Since: Jan 08

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#16 Jan 23, 2008
I see stupid people wrote:
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This poster must be me since they used AOL. All smokers know that only one person uses AOL. I must have been posting in my sleep when I wrote that. Sorry. Everyone who knows me knows that I believe in bans and higher cigarette taxes.
Did someone accuse you of coming to your senses or something? Of course we know that you are anti-freedom.
Colonist

Chester, MA

#17 Jul 25, 2008
Right to Smoke ~ Great Blog!!!
http://web.mac.com/jason.m.myers/Site/Right_T...

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