Copter crash raises doubt

Copter crash raises doubt

There are 42 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Oct 1, 2008, titled Copter crash raises doubt. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

The two young women whose car crash in Charles County prompted a medevac flight that turned fatal early Sunday had only bruises and pain after the auto accident but no apparent injuries so severe they indicated ...

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southern md joe

AOL

#1 Oct 1, 2008
This is nothing more short of a JOKE.It's the Fire /Ambo that call out those Copters,I've seen them call when the person has a broken.So place the blame where it belongs.Not the MSP.Thank you.This isnt Day Care,this is Saving Lives.
Will C

Frederick, MD

#2 Oct 1, 2008
When most patients are released within 24 hours after arrival there is a serious problem with abuse of the system.
taa

Essex, MD

#3 Oct 1, 2008
Maybe we should stop making things so complex and use some common sense.
Yikes

Alexandria, VA

#4 Oct 1, 2008
The Sun papers, delegates and monday morning quarterbacks should NOT be second guessing first responders who have to make split second life and death decisions in stressfull situations. Often serious injuries cannot be seen or triaged on scene and require further medical evaluation. I, as a taxpayer, would prefer EMS personnel to err on the side of safety and spend money to save a life. And for those who think of this as "abuse" - YOU could be the next medevac patient...
More Bull

Manassas, VA

#5 Oct 1, 2008
Southern Md Joe is right, this is about saving lives. Many potentially fatal internal injuries (e.g., internal bleeding and spinal injuries) require immediate intervention in a trauma setting and cannot be easily diagnosed in the field. Therefore, the protocols require that the EMS provider look to signs that the injury MAY exist including mechanism of injury (e.g., a car wreck in which the passenger compartment was damaged combined with severe bruising of the passengerís abdomen or signs of neck hyperextension). If the mechanism of injury and condition of the patient indicate a significant statistical possibility of internal injury requiring shock trauma intervention AND air is the quickest effective transport (i.e. the reduction in transport time will be clinically significant), then a chopper is called in. It is anticipated that only 1 out 5 of those victims will actually require a shock trauma intervention once diagnosed in the hospital (four will be quickly discharged), BUT that one person will likely die without the intervention.

From my perspective THAT type of reasoning IS common sense. Leave the protocols alone and let EMS and MSP do their job. Be thankful that we have one of the most progressive, effective, and economical medical transport systems in the world. Look for ways to improve it, but donít assume things that work are broken.
Sunshine

Phoenix, AZ

#6 Oct 1, 2008
My heart goes out to the victims family, friends and love ones, may God give you strengh, comfort and peace of mind to get thru this tragic situation, Yes we need the helicopters because you don't know if a person is bleeding internally or not, just ask God for discerment to help you to make the right choice. Medivac keep on saving lives you have my support.
Sunshine

Phoenix, AZ

#7 Oct 1, 2008
Yikes wrote:
The Sun papers, delegates and monday morning quarterbacks should NOT be second guessing first responders who have to make split second life and death decisions in stressfull situations. Often serious injuries cannot be seen or triaged on scene and require further medical evaluation. I, as a taxpayer, would prefer EMS personnel to err on the side of safety and spend money to save a life. And for those who think of this as "abuse" - YOU could be the next medevac patient...
Amen to this statement
Chesapeake

Columbia, MD

#8 Oct 1, 2008
My heart goes out to the families of the four who died, as well as Ms. Well's family - hope she will recover and be able to tell us how the crash happened. It was a tragedy. The medevac system has been very good until now, so think it just needs some overhaul so that this won't happen again. It is still a life saver in many instances.

I am more interested to know which one of the girls was the driver of the car crash that started it all. Was she drunk, on drugs, or what and what were a 17 and 18 year old doing out at midnight - they should have been home with their families. Probably not much experience behind the wheel, especially in the wet weather that night. One of the parents should have taken the responsibility of driving them to and from the event they were at. It is time to raise the driving age to 18 - 16 is too early.
independent

Elkton, MD

#10 Oct 1, 2008
Ms. Phelps,
Marylanders already told you and your "church" to stay out of our state when the court ordered you to pay for protesting at a fallen soldier's funeral. Stay out of our State and our business. We have no place for your hate speech here.
Kevin

Randallstown, MD

#11 Oct 1, 2008
Margie Phelps wrote:
This doomed nation, and in particular the people of Maryland, have thumbed their nose at God for years. Now he is pouring it wrath out on you. You put his people on trial for kindly warning you to obey him or face eternal torment.
"Kindly warning" us to obey? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe you need to put down the bible and pick up a dictionary to look up the word "kindly". Protesting at the funeral of a dead soldier does not strike me as kind.

I hope there is a hell so you can burn in it one day.
steveg

Ridgely, MD

#12 Oct 1, 2008
I am a Christian and I am so embarrassed to be associated in any way with those wrong-headed maniacs of the Westboro Baptist Church. Please do not ever think that these cranks have anything to do with the actual life and teachings of Jesus. We don't know what God's will is when something like this car accident/helicopoter crash occurs, but we do know that God will be with us through the worst of times if we just look to Him.
Billy

Rockville, MD

#13 Oct 1, 2008
People die in accidents - that's real life. So use the helicopters judiciously. They are too expensive to use this frequently.[controversial statement follows--gasp!] They are a luxury of a wealthy society that is getting poorer by the day.
Bill

Cumberland, MD

#14 Oct 1, 2008
As a trooper, who is not assigned to the aviation division, it is nice to see support from the citizens. Thank you, it is very meaningful.
The troopers and civilian personnel who fly these missions are very dedicated to their jobs. Thanks to the medevacs and Maryland's EMS system, this is the state to be in, if God forbid, you are in a serious motor vehicle crash.
This is a service we are very fortunate to have and I hope it remains with the MSP.
God bless the families of this tragedy.
SUPPORT the MSP Medevacs

Plano, TX

#15 Oct 1, 2008
Sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen to this statement
I'll 2nd this too.
SUPPORT the MSP Medevacs

Plano, TX

#16 Oct 1, 2008
Bill wrote:
As a trooper, who is not assigned to the aviation division, it is nice to see support from the citizens. Thank you, it is very meaningful.
The troopers and civilian personnel who fly these missions are very dedicated to their jobs. Thanks to the medevacs and Maryland's EMS system, this is the state to be in, if God forbid, you are in a serious motor vehicle crash.
This is a service we are very fortunate to have and I hope it remains with the MSP.
God bless the families of this tragedy.
It is mostly we citizens who need the service to save our lives. This is why we appreciate the medevacs.

I almost needed a medevac following a near-fatal car crash but the hospital was close by for ground transportation instead.
mike- nottingham

United States

#17 Oct 1, 2008
The 800 lb. Gorilla no one is mentioning is LAWYERS. If the people who have no visible injuries are not transported and then die later of internal injuries guess what happens? LAWSUIT against the State under the Maryland State Tort Claims Act for negligence.
SUPPORT the MSP Medevacs

Plano, TX

#18 Oct 1, 2008
Margie Phelps wrote:
Just look at all your ingrates doing all this talking and never ONCE giving God the glory.
This doomed nation, and in particular the people of Maryland, have thumbed their nose at God for years. Now he is pouring it wrath out on you. You put his people on trial for kindly warning you to obey him or face eternal torment. Instead of being grateful for a reminder of your duty to God, you got up on your hind legs like some brute beast, and roared at the servants of the Most High, letting a jury of YOUR peers tag them for $10.9 million. You all applauded and cheered.
Now, not a WEEK, and in fact hardly a DAY passes, where God doesn't send some horrible woe or calamity to the people in and around Baltimore.
Then, instead of repenting, and getting on your knees to your Creator, and making peace with him, for your grievous mean hateful sin and rebellion, YOU RUN YOUR MOUTHS MORE.
Those people who died in that helicopter crash ARE NOT HEROES. They are many in a long line of disobedient doomed americans who God cut off early in life. The young lady lying in the hospital dodged two bullets at the merciful hand of God. WHY AREN'T HER PARENTS SAYING THAT!
Kiss the Son you fools! Stop all your jabber about what is wrong with the meaningless protocols and recognize that God holds the breath of all life in his hand, and it is his to build up or throw down. God knocked that helicopter from the air! Stop worshiping humans, and start worshiping God! Be thankful. Give God the glory. Obey God!
Magormissabib.
Margie Phelps
Westboro Baptist Church
Topeka, KS
See www.godhatesamerica.com and www.signmovies.net
Margie, take your quack religious faith and stick it somewhere like down your throat. This is a forum about medevac helicopters, not your quack religion.
Surf52

Baltimore, MD

#19 Oct 1, 2008
Aviation accidents, like traffic accidents, are a factor of operating hours. The more hours flown, the greater the risk of an accident. No disrespect for the MSP, they have an impeccable record in some of the worst weather imaginable.

So I have to ask again, why are we allowing EMT's on the ground to call for Medevac's when there is no apparent trauma, no loss of consciousness, no sign of internal injury or broken bones, only minor cuts or abrasions?

This is complete and utter folly. These patients would be better served by being transported to the local hospital, evaluated by a competent physican, and airlifted to a trauma center from there, if necessaary.

Now we have two patients who probably would have been released by the trauma center within hours, tying up their resourses for injuries they were not designed for, only now one is in critical condition and the other is dead. And three other lives were lost in the process.

Can we please put some sanity back in the process?
SUPPORT the MSP Medevacs

Plano, TX

#20 Oct 1, 2008
Surf52 wrote:
Aviation accidents, like traffic accidents, are a factor of operating hours. The more hours flown, the greater the risk of an accident. No disrespect for the MSP, they have an impeccable record in some of the worst weather imaginable.
So I have to ask again, why are we allowing EMT's on the ground to call for Medevac's when there is no apparent trauma, no loss of consciousness, no sign of internal injury or broken bones, only minor cuts or abrasions?
This is complete and utter folly. These patients would be better served by being transported to the local hospital, evaluated by a competent physican, and airlifted to a trauma center from there, if necessaary.
Now we have two patients who probably would have been released by the trauma center within hours, tying up their resourses for injuries they were not designed for, only now one is in critical condition and the other is dead. And three other lives were lost in the process.
Can we please put some sanity back in the process?
I think the answers to your questions are BEST left to those ON SCENE. Flying is A LOT safer than ground transportation as the girls the medevac was called for testify to how dangerous driving can be.
grateful wife

Sterling, VA

#21 Oct 1, 2008
It is not appropriate to look solely at the fact of whether patients are being discharged in less than 24 hours. My husband was flown to shock trauma 2 years ago and released after just 7 hours - luckily with a few small fractures, a sprain, and a few lacerations - after falling 24 feet onto concrete. Thanks to the criteria currently in place (falling from more than 20 feet) he had access to urgent trauma care after an accident that easily could have killed him.

The criteria in the article that are "mechanism of injury" are based on decelerations that generally result in injury to the human body. Like anything else, people fall on either side of this criteria - some injuries are less serious, and some are fatal.

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