Md. smoking ban exceptions are rare

Md. smoking ban exceptions are rare

There are 31 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Jul 23, 2008, titled Md. smoking ban exceptions are rare. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Almost six months after Maryland banned smoking in bars and restaurants, health officials have granted just three waivers to allow clubs hurt by the law to allow patrons to light up.

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oldno7

Adelanto, CA

#21 Jul 23, 2008
What all these people who want to ban smoking should realize is that no one has ever died because of "second hand smoke". It is a chimera. I've never smoked a day in my life. I used to come home from bowling alleys and bars reeking of smoke and I didn't like it. I don't like people who reek of B.O. or perfume either but I realize that there is something called tolerance. Liberals should learn to practice some tolerance.
Seahawker

Westminster, MD

#22 Jul 23, 2008
Wyeth wrote:
Smokees...actually all I would really need to see, and I have, is the thousands of cigarette butts at intersections and everywhere else where y'all dump them...yeah, you are all wonderful Americans all right...oh yeah....the unmitigated temerity of demanding your rights....while dumping your butts where ever you want, throwing them lit out of cars, blowing smoke in others faces, falling asleep and burning down the apartment building with your lit cig, raising the healthcare costs immeasurably for others...oh yeah, you have your rights, and for some unfathomable reason, however you do not seem to have the sense God gave you to care the least bit about others. You bang the Bible but don't care at all about your neighbor, office workers, people next to you in a restaurant eating their meals with their families with little children...and most of you smokies do so in the presence of your own children, and in the car...so you don't even care about your progeny...
God/Nature or whatever you may believe in has a way of resolving things that fly in the face of the physics of the universe...step in front of a car, or smoke yourself and children into oblivion, or jump off a high building, or run your beloved atv at top speeds for the sheer joy of it.....and the physics of the universe really will and does not care about your "rights"....it will just act as always and "poof" it is over.
It is over people. As the White House aides told the Republicans when the Clinton administration had exited: The Adults are back in charge.
You can still move to West Virginia, where I believe that there is still at least a tiny bit of unadulterated beauty left after the free thinking Americans that demand their rights have moved there and trashed the place...that is your destination. How sad a commentary that some americans believe so strongly in their personal rights that they will defend them even in light of the fact that it will hurt everyone around them. The thing that has changed in America is that everyone used to have courtesy and discretion. That is why there was no law necessary in the past concerning certain things. In the old days, men LEFT the dining room, put on smoking jackets to keep the stank off of their nice clothes, and smoked. Everyone was happy. Then came those that cared only for themselves, whether smoking, driving or whatever...and most have an american flag that they wave wildly...methinks that those that are the most Nationalistic are the least american. Being american means being kind and generous.
With that definition, all smokers are anti American.
Excellent post. What some smokers seem to fail to grasp is that the ban would not be in place if the majority of the public didn't want it. Smoking negatively affects non-smokers exposed to the second hand smoke. I have heard the rather weak argument that non-smokers can simply stay away from bars. Well, bars are open to the general public, so the will of the general public should rule. The majority of people DON'T smoke. Why? Because most people recognize that inhaling smoke in your lungs is not exactly the brightest thing to do to yourself. But it all comes back to the smoke negatively affecting the people exposed to it. You can still chew tobacco in a bar. That just affects the chewer, not the people around it. No one is trying to strip smoker's of the right to smoke, that's another pathetic argument of smokers. We are just saying we are no longer going to tolerate being exposed to your bad habit.
Seahawker

Westminster, MD

#23 Jul 23, 2008
Colleen Vanskiver wrote:
There is also a definition for bleeding hearts, that worry about what everyone else is doing. All smokers are not anti American. Most of the anti Americans you are talking about gave you the freedom to shoot your mouth off in the first place. There are lots of things in this world that are not good for the human body. Smoking is just one in a very long list of things not good for humans. Sounds like you need a bubble to keep safe.
Well the one thing you kind of glossed over was that while lots of things aren't good for the human body, smoking negatively affects other people who are exposed to the smoke. You can chew tobacco all you want in a bar. Why? Because it only affects the chewer. I do agree that just because you smoke, that doesn't mean your anti-American. But if you expect to be able to expose non-smokers in public to your cigarette smoke, I would say it does mean your rather selfish and rude.
oldno7

Adelanto, CA

#24 Jul 23, 2008
Seahawker wrote:
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Excellent post. What some smokers seem to fail to grasp is that the ban would not be in place if the majority of the public didn't want it. Smoking negatively affects non-smokers exposed to the second hand smoke. I have heard the rather weak argument that non-smokers can simply stay away from bars. Well, bars are open to the general public, so the will of the general public should rule. The majority of people DON'T smoke. Why? Because most people recognize that inhaling smoke in your lungs is not exactly the brightest thing to do to yourself. But it all comes back to the smoke negatively affecting the people exposed to it. You can still chew tobacco in a bar. That just affects the chewer, not the people around it. No one is trying to strip smoker's of the right to smoke, that's another pathetic argument of smokers. We are just saying we are no longer going to tolerate being exposed to your bad habit.
So-called <em>second hand smoke</em> doesn't hurt anyone. Sure bars are open to the public. The majority of the bar going public likes to smoke where they drink. It is not the government's place to tell people if they can smoke or not. If you are so convinced that people will flock to smokeless bars, open one up across the street from the smokey bar and see how you do. Let the market decide, not the government nanny state. I am a non-smoker and would probably go to the smokey bar over the smokeless one because the people there would be more fun and less stick-up-the-butt.
charles

Pullman, WA

#25 Jul 23, 2008
i hope those waivers have a time limit. they're just fighting a needed change. really, in a perfect world tobacco wouldn't even exist. it improves noones life, and hurts everyone on some level. vile filth like tobacco shouldn't be tolerated in the modern world. i'm looking forward to the day when tobacco is eradicated altogether.
monkeyman

Fort George G Meade, MD

#26 Jul 23, 2008
This is from the CDC website.
Health Effects of Secondhand Smoke Exposure
Secondhand smoke exposure causes heart disease and lung cancer in nonsmoking adults.2
Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or work increase their heart disease risk by 2530% and their lung cancer risk by 2030%.2
Breathing secondhand smoke has immediate harmful effects on the cardiovascular system that can increase the risk of heart attack. People who already have heart disease are at especially high risk.2
Secondhand smoke exposure causes respiratory symptoms in children and slows their lung growth.2
Secondhand smoke causes sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, and more frequent and severe asthma attacks in children.2
There is no risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure. Even brief exposure can be dangerous.2
Matt

Saint Petersburg, FL

#27 Jul 23, 2008
I respect what the war vets have done for this county, but I fail to see why getting shot at gives somebody the right to endanger the lives of people around them by smoking.
Mary

Berlin, MD

#28 Jul 23, 2008
"Endanger the lives"? "Dangerous"? Do you people hear yourselves? For those of you who are still sane, if you are interested in fighting these ridiculous anti-freedom bans, you should join FORCES, the pro-freedom organization. visit www.forces.org
Niamhaine

Ireland

#29 Jul 24, 2008
Guy Smiley wrote:
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You should move to a country that's LESS restrictive than the US - not the one that hates smokers more than any other country in the world.
Ireland was the first country to ban smoking in enclosed workplaces - including bars and restaurants - in 2004. Further, they've just banned advertising in shops and have made it illegal to display cigarettes in stores.
The smokers standing outside the doors are no different in Ireland than in the US. Your comments on tobacco display and advertising are not what is going on in Ireland.(I live here 6 months of the year, and 6 months in Maryland.)
Bruce Fox

Chicago, IL

#30 Jul 24, 2008
It is time for those smokers with some accounting training and want to rejoin their fiends in their favorite spot to volunteer to help the owners prepare the necessary paperwork to apply for the waiver.
Pirate1001

Harrisburg, PA

#31 Sep 9, 2008
Wyeth wrote:
If smoking never existed, and one day someone came up with the idea of taking a plant, drying it, rolling it up in paper, putting in in their mouth, lighting it and inhaling it into their lungs...they would be considered a very disturbed human being...especially if they insisted on doing it inside a building or airplane...which may then be subject to catching fire...and especially if it was to become the number one cause of death..........people, it is over, just like WWII......as someone mentioned, the wars created a lot of smokers amongst the soldiers...not a good thing....50 years later, and today, those vets are dying of all sorts of diseases associated with inveterate smoking.......the government is not the enemy, and the government took decade upon decade to finally stop the insanity...the only problem as I see it, is that the United States Federal government did not pass these smoking laws, and should have done so unanimously...some things are outlawed because of their deadly results, and those that scream the loudest about the smoking laws would be the first ones to yell at the government for not doing something...it is over people....smokers have had their way for the entirety of our country's life...perhaps they can possibly see the logic of finally not being so selfish as to want their habit to infringe on others and their health costs in the future.
You just don't get it do you??? It is about the government dictating people's behavior. I am sure you will come back with some silly comment on how the government says we can urder people or drive drunk which is disctating behavior, but it is nothe same. Let the bar owners choose. Do you really think if a bar owner could make more money banning smoking in his bar that he wouldn't? Then we could have some bars for smokers and some for the perfect people, like you.
If you don't understand then you are truly a liberal, and don't understand supply and demand.

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