Downtown St. Paul gets new housing -- at a historic site

Feb 24, 2011 Read more: TwinCities.com 46
Patricia Harris, 57, formerly of Minneapolis, looks out the window of her new second story apartment inside the recently renovated Minnesota Building at 4th and Cedar streets, St. Read more
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insider

Hastings, MN

#1 Feb 25, 2011
St.Paul is now officially welfareapolis, come on over Minnespolis
more DFL voters to bus to the poles.
adam

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Feb 25, 2011
the place will be a bed bug , cockroach infested dump in 6 months - guaranteed

Since: Jan 11

San Jose, CA

#3 Feb 25, 2011
My God what have they done to St Paul its now a third world dump, glad I got the hell out.
annette

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Feb 25, 2011
Ghetto in the sky.
Roy WIlkins

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Feb 25, 2011
Of course Thune digs it.....a whole building full of Obama/DFL votes. Better there though than messing up the suburbs.
anonymous

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Feb 25, 2011
I am not opposed to affordable housing, but question the decision to place it in a prime commerical area. The wiser choice may have been for the City to offer tax incentive financing that may have lured business to the building and hence jobs. It appears lower income housing is not scarce in the downtown area, this appears to be one of at least three existing or proposed. Cecile Bedor, the city's director of Planning and Economic Development is under the impression these people will spend money downtown. Is there statistics to back that theory up? They are low income workers and I suspect they do their shopping outside the downtown area at discount retailers. High income tenants and upscale housing would produce greater revenue to local businesses, because they can afford to frequent restaurants, bars, and retail shops.

Now about Ms. Harris. I am sure she is a very nice lady. But her comment, "I can't get stressed out", made my blood boil. So, Ms. Harris if you are reading this, I can't get stressed out either, but I drag my arse out of bed each morning to go to a job that does exactly that. While you are staring out your new "huge" apartment taking in the sights, free of charge, I will be confined to a cubicle at a job with unbearable managment, trying to make a living for myself and family. There is something about that scenario that just doesn't seem right or fair.

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Pim

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Feb 25, 2011
Life's not fair, anonymous.
Fort Road Grandma

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Feb 25, 2011
My, my, we're very judgmental for so early in the morning, aren't we? I hope none of you kind folks ever need the services that have been detailed here - much less a place to live. I trust your "conservative values" will prevent you from accepting any help, and that we will find you living in a cardboard box somewhere, hungry, but still true to your ideals. Good luck!
rance piebald

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Feb 25, 2011
i too have a work disability. i'd rather not do it. i'd prefer a government check once a week or maybe every two weeks. is there program for that?
uggggh

United States

#10 Feb 25, 2011
I am a progressive, and this is a big mistake for downtown St. Paul
Parnelli Jones

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Feb 25, 2011
Remember when the Lowry was turned into something very similar to this?
Every bus stop and corner had those tenants hanging around, creating problems and making downtown St. Paul like Block E in Minneapolis.
Drug dealers, pimps and bangers are just what this city needs more of.
R.T. Rybak and his gang must be the mentors and role models that Chris Coleman and his crew are emulating.
Bye bye to downtown St. Paul.
southsider

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Feb 25, 2011
I think it is a brilliant idea - drive away businesses that GENERATE money the city can use for roads, infrastrucure, and attracting visitors and instead GIVE money away.

As a small business owner, would you lease a building or office suite anywhere near here?

At a certain point, the money going out will be more than the money coming in.
Parnelli Jones

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Feb 25, 2011
Thune loves this because almost the entire project was funded on the back of the taxpayer.
They make it sound like these grants and loans are from some magical kingdom in the sky.
Look at this as a mini Cabrini Green. Thanks Thune, maybe you should take an apartment in that building.
Big Roy

New Richmond, WI

#14 Feb 25, 2011
Meanwhile I drive 20 miles to go to work and barely pay my mortgage and bills with two jobs. Gee I hope the hippies in Minnesoat are happy give away free everything to people who refuse to work and yet punish me by protesting the Stillwater Lift Bridge and make me drive around costing me 400 dollars a month in gas to go to work. Freggin liberal hippie pot smoking patchulli wearing do gooders, I hate liberal give
away people.
anonymous

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Feb 25, 2011
Fort Road Grandma wrote:
My, my, we're very judgmental for so early in the morning, aren't we? I hope none of you kind folks ever need the services that have been detailed here - much less a place to live. I trust your "conservative values" will prevent you from accepting any help, and that we will find you living in a cardboard box somewhere, hungry, but still true to your ideals. Good luck!
Do not divide this into liberal or conservative in an attempt to discredit extremely valid points in opposition to this development. Lower class housing does not belong in prime downtown commercial property. It does not generate revenue, it does not generate jobs and tenants will not be spending their dollars in the downtown area to make a substantial difference to local businesses. That is not conservative thinking, it is pointing out poor planning. The light rail will also run along University, where there is ample opportunity to house this development and where the price per square foot is a great deal less expensive.

St. Paul really needs to visit downtown Minneapolis to see what direction in needs to take to make it a vital, thriving, and sustainable downtown area. Is it any wonder St. Paul looks like a ghost town after 5:30 pm.
MNDreamin

Eden Prairie, MN

#16 Feb 25, 2011
I'm so excited for Patricia Harris and her New Home. Live well. Gods Blessing to you.
msp

United States

#17 Feb 25, 2011
Big Roy wrote:
Meanwhile I drive 20 miles to go to work and barely pay my mortgage and bills with two jobs. Gee I hope the hippies in Minnesoat are happy give away free everything to people who refuse to work and yet punish me by protesting the Stillwater Lift Bridge and make me drive around costing me 400 dollars a month in gas to go to work. Freggin liberal hippie pot smoking patchulli wearing do gooders, I hate liberal give
away people.
Well Big Roy, why are you living in Wisconsin and taking jobs away from the Minnesotans that live and pay taxes HERE???? The heck with your bridge, you burb dwellers flee to parts unknown and then expect the taxpayers to foot the bill to build bridges and roads so you can zip in and out of the city. I hate conservative creeps that think we need to subsidize your way of life.
Marx Karl Dayton

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Feb 25, 2011
Don't worry Ms. Harris, I can get stressed out and have nervous reactions too, that make me cower under my desk. This is a great project to help the needy, hard-working Minnesotans, funded by the tax dollars of those who still don't pay their fair share in taxes. I am also happy with the location of this project, as it is far enough away from the governor's mansion...
MNDreamin

Eden Prairie, MN

#19 Feb 25, 2011
Oh Big Roy. You just don't get it. Some people are unable to work. They want to work, but not able. Grow up and be greatful that you are able to work and feel blessed for what you have and stop whinning about what other had or in this case don't have. Move by your job so you don't spend as much $, sell your home if you can't afford the mortgage and buy what you can afford.
Big Roy wrote:
Meanwhile I drive 20 miles to go to work and barely pay my mortgage and bills with two jobs. Gee I hope the hippies in Minnesoat are happy give away free everything to people who refuse to work and yet punish me by protesting the Stillwater Lift Bridge and make me drive around costing me 400 dollars a month in gas to go to work. Freggin liberal hippie pot smoking patchulli wearing do gooders, I hate liberal give
away people.
taxed

Peterborough, NH

#20 Feb 25, 2011
From web news articles in the past few months:
Vermont just rebuilt some existing welfare housing that had been trashed since the last time it was rebuilt in the late 1980's for millions of taxpayer dollars. This time they spent $237,000 of taxpayer money PER APARTMENT. This is much more than $173,000 average value of houses in VT.

In Eagle county, Colorado,$14,200,000 was just spent for reconditioning 72 apartments =$197,222 in reconditioning PER APARTMENT. Average house in Colorado is worth $166,600.

In Calif, Palos Verdes Peninsula,$13,000,000 was just spent for 34 apartments =$382,352 PER APARTMENT. Average house in the state is worth $211,500.

In DC, Washington Highlands, 10 families just moved into subsidized apartments, complete with hardwood floors, washer-dryers, stainless steel appliances. For some, this was their reward for years of substance abuse - PCP and crack use.

I am sure somebody can find different average house values for the states, my values are all off internet real estate sites. The point is we are spending much more on welfare housing per apartment than the value of a lot of people's homes. What part of that is fair? The taxpayers are getting hosed while the poor and low income are getting another free ride on top of food stamps, Medicaid, WIC, free school lunches, TANF, SSI, etc.... Can anybody tell me? What part of that is fair?
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/07/16/1...

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