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#42 Dec 22, 2009
You got me wrong,I would hate to go to a lawless society, and our police is all we have to keep us sane and civil.
I agree that our laws were created by our most educated and patriotic people, Looking at Statutes we find rounded edges, semicolons and well intentioned openended laws to accomodate as many different situations possible. There is a line of honor that must be adhered to in order to keep our laws one of the citizens best friends.
Half pregnant laws like murder,rape,treason,kidnapping should never be half enforced.
My argument is not with the police, it is with the new style of enforcement meant to control and collect revenue from the common citizen that now travels amongst intentionally laid out "tripwires" like the seat belt law, the smoking ban, the lowering of the BAC to .08 from 1.0 ...
Drug enforcement against an individual that "Uses" it for medical reasons is no where near a criminal caught with 146 lbs, they don't even compare.
I don't see any reason to legalize drugs, It has damaged our country enough and it is time make it's use disappear. IMHO
#43 Dec 23, 2009
It's use isn't going to disappear. Mankind has been altering its consciousness since before it could even rightly be referred to as human. Alcohol use and abuse is rife in society. Do you want to try banning that again? That worked out really well, now didn't it? It created all sorts of gang activity and a general disregard and outright disdain for laws. If a person uses pot for medical reasons, that marijuana has to come from somewhere, and eventually that will add up to 146 lbs. or more. Marijuana is probably the safest intoxicant out there, bar none. What has damaged our society is enforcing unenforceable laws, creating disdain for law, disdain for law enforcement and ripping apart families because someone possesses a plant material. How about another basic human instinct: sex? Shall we ban all sexual activity? Because that's the equivalent of banning intoxicants.
Since: Mar 09
Saint Paul, MN
#44 Dec 23, 2009
How long as the "War on Drugs" been going on? since the 70's what has the outcome been? Billions of dollars spent every year, housing, feeding, and catching these dangerous criminals.....please wake up, lets try something new.
#45 Dec 23, 2009
here is how I see it, If the administration refuses to enforce the law to its fullest, then it will be left up to the general public to enforce the law that the leaders swore to up hold and now refuse. Citizens are guaranteed that right in order to live secure and safe in a lawful society.
Here is a little drug scenario that people forget,In May of 2005 drug czar General Barry McCafferty reported to President clinton that black tar heroin and almost every illicit drug is available in every corner and little town in America, 12 affluent students died from drug overdose in Plano Texas. Mccafferty told Clinton the new drug' are stronger,more plentiful and cheaper and available.
Clintons reaction in July of 06 was to order FDA Commissioner Kesseler to drive to make Nicotine a class A narcotic.
In Dec 1994 The center for drug use and Monitoring the future study sent the findings to DHS Commissioner Donna Shalala that showed the following of study by Doctor Johnston at the U of Michigan Ann Arbor of 7th and 8 th graders of drug use in the last 30 days.... Cigarette smoking UP 37%.. Illicit drug use Up 91.1% and here is the Marijuana use from the study UP 144%.
What did the Clinton Administrantion the congress and greedy State Attorneys generals and their co horts called trial attorneys do?? They sued Tobacco companies for 246 billion dollars, then spent billions on anti smoking productions while the Damn Drug trafficers and future addicts were totally ignored and that puts us where we are to today.
The drugs run like water,and the left side of our political power wants to legalize wacky weed, and the cops got people blowing into breath analyzers and writing tickets for seat belt violations.
Now, how do you expect citizens that oppose this destruction of society to react???? We have to look to excellence in representation from the Tea party now being born in America, and expell the dysfunction we now expect representation from.
#46 Dec 27, 2009
So it seems to me that you actually DON'T consider nicotine/tobacco products a drug. If you indeed don't, then very little is a drug including all the drugs you claim are "running like water". Are you aware that tobacco is as addictive as heroin? I've tried tobacco; I'm not addicted. I don't have lung, throat or tongue cancer. But that doesn't make it safe. I don't think it should be banned, however. And neither should pot. Your TEA party compatriots are interested in less government. It would seem to me they'd be interested in getting the government out of people's personal lives and life choices as well. But that doesn't seem to be the case when it comes to, say, issues like intoxicants, abortion and gay marriage. I wonder if you are picking and choosing exactly what it is that you think is destructive to society and what isn't. And I wonder if it isn't all a cover for typically idiotic socially conservative sentiments that say you must be like me, believe what I do, use what I do to get f---ed up, love who I do... That doesn't seem like liberty to me.
#47 Dec 27, 2009
You own the idiotracy when you fall into the trap the billionaire anti smoking industry put you in.
Did you happen to notice the fact that billions were spent on antismoking propaganda getting the gulliable to believe that tobacco is more addictive than Crack cocaine and more socialilly destructive and psychologically damageing to individuals as Crack cocaine and wacky weed with the PCP additives?( animal tranqulizer) Not one cent was spent to demonize killer drugs that increased three fold including the fact from the MDH that 39% of Minnesota youngersters from 18 to 24 are now more didicated smokers than the states older rugular smokers, Remember these are the schoool kids that had forced anti tobacco indoctrination in every school in the state, Authored and funded by the dysfunctional Minnesota state legislature.
I know you are smart enough to recognize the damn snakes in this discussion.
Have you ever heard of the countries law enforcement sueing drug producers , pushers and addicts for a single dollar? Tobacco paid the Anti smoking cartel 246 billion dollars collected from 50 million American citizens that use tobacco.
Your analogy is ignorant and proves PT Barnams parable that a "sucker is born every minute".
Can you name a single scientific study done with a 95% confident lever along with peer review by un biased scientists that can name the direct cause of even one of two hundred different cancer types,Or: A single human that has ever died from exposure to secong hand smoke.... Name me one,and I will name 1000 deaths from drug overdose, and collateral death of innocent life by addicts searching out the next fix?
It is not liberty when non profits use public funds and grants from dishonorable politicians to massage the hatred of smokers or any other "handy" citizen through idential Hitleresque tacticts so they can benefit from the rewards of power and funding. In my conservative Tea party book that is called tyranny,Representative governemnt and equal representation is NO MORE.
What are you concerned about, you got a State smoking ban,a 123% tax increase on Minnesota smokers, and other citizens that have abandoned Minnesota night life and destroyed the income from smokers and drinkers that handed Minnesota Charities 1.5 billion dollars in the last decade.
Talk to the little leagut and youth hockey teams around the state, and explain Righteous indignation and bad citizenship to them... Maybe they have a message for you and yours.
#48 Dec 28, 2009
Gee, Archie, you seem to have me all wrapped up in a package and stuffed in a piegeonhole. I could care less about tobacco, other than the fact that social conservatives like yourself use it as evidence of government attacks on liberty. I appreciate the fact that I can now go to any bar and actually breathe, but I don't support any bans on personal intoxicants, including tobacco. And you can bet there are none coming down even the most paranoid anti-government pike. You know, of course, even Obama smokes. So his brushoff of marijuana legalization is even more hypocritical than it seems at first glance given his personal drug addiction. You see, Arch, even me and mine think tobacco should be legal along with all other personal intoxicants. And, by the way, there has not been one death attributable to marijuana. Can you say that about tobacco or alcohol, our national conservative intoxicant love interests?
Your circular reasoning is remarkable. You come from a certain belief and use that belief to support what you think is fact. And pulling out unrelated subjects hardly supports your reasoning. I think the little league and youth hockey teams should get all sorts of funding, along with arts programs, reading programs, trade schools, liberal arts colleges, etc. There is no one way to train young minds to be good citizens. And their use of various substances is negligible in the pursuit of good ethical lives. You can say, however, whatever you want about secondhand smoke. It just doesn't hold up; it has caused cancer in people who haven't touched a cigarette in their lives. If you want to bring pseudo-religious beliefs about the science behind the whole issue of smoking, that's fine. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
Tea parties: They would be a joke if they weren't so sad and such a threat to civilized debate. I would find their cause more appealing if they weren't largely undereducated, white, gun-toting nuts with rather high BMI's.
#49 Dec 28, 2009
I could care less about tobacco also, except when tobacco twistisicks are used to convalute politics that make despots rich.
The Gorebal warming scam is Twisttistics second trip to the well and now they are being cornered by ethical scientists that are finally calling them liars and manipulators.
The use again of meta anaylysis to create a preconcieved and "created fact" is the same tactic used to convince sheeple about tobacco, The despots have now moved to global warming and a typical end of unlimited money and power, The EPA is back in business as the defacto regulator and enforcer. This is Criminal Rob, in every way.
I don't think I suggested that religion and tobacco politics had any thing in common except to use tobacco to break civil and moral law by government funded theft and plunder.
I don't think you have ever stood along side of a group of tea party and patriotic Americans, You may not like them but they are parents with small children, grandpa and grandmothers, veterans of all races and religions, and they pay no politician to "fire them up" the fireing up comes from Americans from all walks of life,. Didn't see a single gun. and after they left there was NO scrap paper on the grounds, not even a cigatette butt. Didn't hear a single swear word or threats of any kind...
Liberals: They are a joke if they werent such a threat to civilization and honest debate, I would find their cause more appealing if there were less dependentants with criminal records carrying stolen guns and credit cards riding in busses provided by ACORN, hardly educated except in marxism, with Big Getto booties and speaking a foriegn language with rabble rouser speakers from the DFL standing along side losers with their picture pasted on the wall at the post office. YA Rob ewe are rollin with some real duseys.
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