Kobayashi's last-minute bus-system pl...

Kobayashi's last-minute bus-system plan is unrealistic - Editor...

There are 85 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Oct 16, 2008, titled Kobayashi's last-minute bus-system plan is unrealistic - Editor.... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Mayoral candidate Ann Kobayashi has proposed a new version of a bus system instead of the city's planned rail transit system.

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Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#1 Oct 16, 2008
"A radical change at this point would undoubtedly jeopardize federal funding, especially during the nation's current economic meltdown."

What a bogus argument! As the SB knows well, Muffie's plan has not even been submitted and is not even on the radar for Fed funding. Nothing to jeopardize and the economic crisis hurts all requests for Fed funds equally.

The SB is so in the bag for the rail it is embarrassing.

AK's plan sounds interesting and if it is so much cheaper and actually alleviates congestion (unlike the train), then it deserves our attention and further study.

First, we kill the steel on steel and then study the alternatives - this time let's impartially study all the alternatives.
Reality Check

San Antonio, TX

#2 Oct 16, 2008
After being "educated" by Pano Prevadouros, Ann's transit plan turned into cars and buses on freeways. This is the goal of Pano, who is president (local branch) of the Highway Users Alliance, founded by GM, Ford, Goodyear and oil companies in 1939. Their stated goal is to promote the status quo.
Bongo

San Antonio, TX

#3 Oct 16, 2008
Cat Manapua, the moron from Utah, wants us to study the alternatives for another 30 years.
WhatsGoingOn

Honolulu, HI

#5 Oct 16, 2008
Kobayashi is in short: "One paddle short"....she's bonkers!

We have a traffic problem, we don't need her stupid "more freeways" idea, anybody who admits to voting for this whako needs to be examined!

Since: Jun 08

Honolulu, HI

#6 Oct 16, 2008
I love how these pro mufi/rail "articles" never mention that....

RAIL WILL NOT HELP WITH TRAFFIC CONGESTION

....nor, according to one poll, will the majority ride the @#! thing.

If the 60% voter support number is accurate - then this must be because they have union family members that will be involved in building this monument to ego or they are just not properly informed.
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#7 Oct 16, 2008
Bongo wrote:
Cat Manapua, the moron from Utah, wants us to study the alternatives for another 30 years.
No,what I want is to find an affordable way to make the commute easier. One that actually will work to reduce congestion and that the taxpayer can afford.

The Mufster's rail fails on both counts:

1. All agree it will make only a small reduction in traffic congestion. In fact, the City projects only 5%- 7% of commuters will ride it.

2. Although the City refuses to release the update to its 2006 numbers, it seems clear we are looking at least $6 -$8 Billion dollars which is not affordable. The City has not advised how it will pay for this either.

So I am interested in finding affordable solutions.

Now then, it would appear that you are the moron, doesn't it?
Plan to wipe

Honolulu, HI

#8 Oct 16, 2008
Kobayashi and Panos wrote this "plan" on a roll of toilet paper over the weekend. At least it can be used for one thing.
Plan to wipe

Honolulu, HI

#9 Oct 16, 2008
Cat Manapua wrote:
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No,what I want is to find an affordable way to make the commute easier. One that actually will work to reduce congestion and that the taxpayer can afford.
The Mufster's rail fails on both counts:
1. All agree it will make only a small reduction in traffic congestion. In fact, the City projects only 5%- 7% of commuters will ride it.
2. Although the City refuses to release the update to its 2006 numbers, it seems clear we are looking at least $6 -$8 Billion dollars which is not affordable. The City has not advised how it will pay for this either.
So I am interested in finding affordable solutions.
Now then, it would appear that you are the moron, doesn't it?
No, you're a moron from Utah.
Reality Check

San Antonio, TX

#10 Oct 16, 2008
Anti rail fanatics keep saying that rail won't reduce congestion. It will provide an alternative way to commute, while the auto industry and highway users alliance keep adding to congestion. If you stop forcing people to use cars as their only option there will eventually be less congestion. If you keep pushing the status quo it will continue to get worse. It's that simple.

Since: Dec 07

Kapaa, HI

#11 Oct 16, 2008
We know that the SB endorses Mufi and rail, but which system makes more sense? Which provides more traffic relief at lower cost to Oahu's taxpayers? Which would likely clear up traffic so commuters do not have to spend 90 minutes in traffic each way 20 years from now?

Rail for Oahu was ill-conceived from the beginning. It can bankrupt Oahu with little benefit to 99% of commuters.

At least give Ann credit for trying to do what is in the best interests of the people.
manini

Kapaau, HI

#12 Oct 16, 2008
What other commentary would we expect from the SB except for this tripe.
Her proposed transit system is just as realistic as Mufi's and would cost the taxpayers of this county far less. And has been pointed out more than once, buses can go where trains can't.
It's ridiculous for the SB to continue to support a train when the money isn't there. Take a look at our collections and don't hold your breath waiting for any federal money.
s dogood

Wailuku, HI

#13 Oct 16, 2008
Rubber on Cement Bus Plan has one MAJOR advantage: it is logistically flexible in routes and vehicles. Fixed Rail is by definition "FIXED" in both routes and vehicles and is much less flexible.

If anything we should have learned is that a more flexible plan is over time a better plan.

The overall costs from initial costs of construction to costs of daily implementation to costs of maintenance will all be more flexible and thus can be more economical.

"Flexible" is better than "Fixed"
Rail will fail

San Diego, CA

#14 Oct 16, 2008
WhatsGoingOn wrote:
Kobayashi is in short: "One paddle short"....she's bonkers!
We have a traffic problem, we don't need her stupid "more freeways" idea, anybody who admits to voting for this whako needs to be examined!
The city AA shows 8,000 vehicles per hour OVERLOAD on H-1 after the $7.0 Billion rail is operating in 2030. Conclusion: Rail will worsen traffic congestion.
The $900 million Ez Way will eliminate the H-1 congestion.
Improvements for shoulder bus lanes are not needed near term. Build the Ez Way over Nimitz immediately to eliminate the Middle St. Bottleneck.

Since: Sep 08

Haleiwa, HI

#15 Oct 16, 2008
Ann is a bully.
Rail will fail

San Diego, CA

#16 Oct 16, 2008
Reality Check wrote:
Anti rail fanatics keep saying that rail won't reduce congestion. It will provide an alternative way to commute, while the auto industry and highway users alliance keep adding to congestion. If you stop forcing people to use cars as their only option there will eventually be less congestion. If you keep pushing the status quo it will continue to get worse. It's that simple.
The problem with the $7.0 Billion rail is that it has too small a passenger capacity to meet the future commuter demand. You would have to build a second $7.0 Billion Rail line to barely accommodate the full commuter load.

Ann's Ez Way will solve the traffic congestion at Pearl City and at Middle Street bottlenecks and can be started immediately on Nimitz because the EIS is already approved. The Nimitz segment should cost no more than $400 million and will make the middle st. bottleneck vanish.

The Ez Way guideway will convert more single car drivers to express bus riders because of the faster bus commute to downtown and the high cost of gas.
Ez Way Plan

San Diego, CA

#17 Oct 16, 2008
Plan to wipe wrote:
Kobayashi and Panos wrote this "plan" on a roll of toilet paper over the weekend. At least it can be used for one thing.
The Ez Way plan resembles the HOT Lanes being built in many cities on the mainland. The only difference is that there is no tolls on the Ez Way. The 100+ page HOT Lane report for Oahu was published in March 2008. See The full HOT report available at www.eng.hawaii.edu/~panos/UHCS.pdf .

Also, Tampa EL going great - underlines case for all electronic toll collection http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/172
djs

Honolulu, HI

#18 Oct 16, 2008
s dogood wrote:
Rubber on Cement Bus Plan has one MAJOR advantage: it is logistically flexible in routes and vehicles. Fixed Rail is by definition "FIXED" in both routes and vehicles and is much less flexible.
If anything we should have learned is that a more flexible plan is over time a better plan.
The overall costs from initial costs of construction to costs of daily implementation to costs of maintenance will all be more flexible and thus can be more economical.
"Flexible" is better than "Fixed"
It isn't flexible if it's stuck in traffic with everyone else.

There are days when it takes 30+ minutes to travel ala moana blvd from the shopping center to downtown. How is having more buses going to help that?
Tsarbomba

Corona, CA

#19 Oct 16, 2008
Rail will fail wrote:
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The city AA shows 8,000 vehicles per hour OVERLOAD on H-1 after the $7.0 Billion rail is operating in 2030. Conclusion: Rail will worsen traffic congestion.
The $900 million Ez Way will eliminate the H-1 congestion.
Improvements for shoulder bus lanes are not needed near term. Build the Ez Way over Nimitz immediately to eliminate the Middle St. Bottleneck.
Another day of lies from you again huh? Now the EzWay is at $900 mil even though Ann herself says $2.5 to $3 billion? Have some respect for yourself and quit making yourself look the fool.
Rail Supporter

Kaneohe, HI

#20 Oct 16, 2008
This is an Editorial, Not News.

This article is nothing more than an opinion of one person who obviously is a supporter of Mufi and his rail plan.
mario

Ewa Beach, HI

#21 Oct 16, 2008
When they made the studies and spent millions, how come they only came out with one conclusion, that the rail is the best solution. When you make studies, you should come up with comparisons. The public was cheated, now we found out that there are other ideas to solve traffic and the SB said that it is too late.
Another thing is the advertisement, paid by taxpayers, if you notice, it says in the right bottom
in box: No property tax will be use for construction. Maybe property tax will be use for subsidy. You have fooled the people so many times already.I am going to save this ad for the remembrance of my grandchildren whether its true. I am fed up.

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